This week's classic tractor I'm not buying

amacca

minerleague wrote: »

Is this realistic price, have mf 2685 ( model below this ) here ( not as tidy ) and thought 4-5k would be good. Was offered 2k cash , turned it down

Maybe not, but everyone has their Achilles heel, I've always liked them!

But the fact that I probably wouldn't put my money where my mouth is speaks volumes id say.....

White Clover

Bass Reeves wrote: »

Here is a nice tractor and loader. Not sure what you would pay for it but it should not be crazy money. Not many around and it's a while since I saw one in such good nick. Would 15-16k buy it...

https://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/1998-case-5130-c-w-tanco-loader/27037860

Are they 6 cylinder, Bass? It is a lovely tractor. Being a '98, it would be a late model that would have all the little faults ironed out. At €15k it would be good value.

Bass Reeves

White Clover wrote: »

Are they 6 cylinder, Bass? It is a lovely tractor. Being a '98, it would be a late model that would have all the little faults ironed out. At €15k it would be good value.

Ya they are 6 cylinder 105 hp tractors. I am only guessing at the price as they were under appreciated at the time. Similar to the 42 series they got a name for having expensive to repair really down to the technology being new the use of solnieds and sensors.

Was looking for a 5120/30 a few years back when looking for a tractor but could not come accross one. Bought the CX90 McCormick instead. The 5120 is 4 cylinder but the same chassis. Getting them with a loader with lowish hours would be unusual.

They have become more appreciated and would be a better tractor than a 110/90 or a 390T or 398 IMO

FintanMcluskey

Bass Reeves wrote: »

Ya they are 6 cylinder 105 hp tractors. I am only guessing at the price as they were under appreciated at the time. Similar to the 42 series they got a name for having expensive to repair really down to the technology being new the use of solnieds and sensors.

Was looking for a 5120/30 a few years back when looking for a tractor but could not come accross one. Bought the CX90 McCormick instead. The 5120 is 4 cylinder but the same chassis. Getting them with a loader with lowish hours would be unusual.

They have become more appreciated and would be a better tractor than a 110/90 or a 390T or 398 IMO

They are a good machine indeed with an excellent engine, not comparable to the Fiats or MF’s though, the simplicity of those machines is the attraction.

I know which machine I’d rather own when it breaks down

Bass Reeves

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

They are a good machine indeed with an excellent engine, not comparable to the Fiats or MF’s though, the simplicity of those machines is the attraction.

I know which machine I’d rather own when it breaks down

She be s way more dependable than any 390/398 that had a shuttle. There electrics are pretty simple and it fairly common knowledge which solnieds you replace fin what fault. They have fault codes as well and it was the failure to look at these was a lot of the issues.
It would be 50/50 between that and a 110/90 but I consider the 51 series to shade it for value at this stage.

cute geoge

If them 51 series case give trouble you will need a nice wad to keep them going ,a local contractor bought one new and by god it did break him ,no compasision to a 110/90 really ,In fact any one local who had them case were glad to be rid and these were later models

minerleague

amacca wrote: »

Maybe not, but everyone has their Achilles heel, I've always liked them!

But the fact that I probably wouldn't put my money where my mouth is speaks volumes id say.....

If you want I'll sell my 2685 for 10k

endainoz

Not sure if this should be in the machinery thread but seen as it is a classic tractor I said I'd throw it up here. Bought this in January and have done a bit of restoration to it. Painted the bonnet and cab, fitted new mudguards a few other bits. It's not finished yet, the roof was painted recently and needs to be fitted back on. Did a bit of overseeding with it today, managed the job no bother.

White Clover

Bass Reeves wrote: »

She be s way more dependable than any 390/398 that had a shuttle. There electrics are pretty simple and it fairly common knowledge which solnieds you replace fin what fault. They have fault codes as well and it was the failure to look at these was a lot of the issues.
It would be 50/50 between that and a 110/90 but I consider the 51 series to shade it for value at this stage.

Not a hope Bass. Them 300 series Massey's are the epitome of simplicity and reliability. Outside of the faulty spring in the range change (the majority of tractors would have the upgraded spring fitted by now), they were proven as being bulletproof.
A good vice grips would be all you would need to keep one of them going.
When push comes to shove, a good 398 would trump a 5120/30 all day long.

endainoz

funkey_monkey wrote: »

Did you source the parts from Bart?
Have you an original roof for it? That's a nice one - proper rubbers in the windows too - many of them have straps welded across the corners to stop them falling out due to using correct thickness of rubber.

I bought it with the new mudguards and tail pieces, just had to finish off painting them. The roof is original yeah, needed a bit of tidying up from rust and a small bit of filler was needed to cover marks made by two beacons that used to be on it.

Most of it was original in fairness, bar the mudguards, even though the old ones weren't too bad. I left the windows as they were so that original rubber on them. Didn't want the hassle of having to take them out. I'll have to do a job on the back window alright though, it's quite warped and I have to put new glass and rubber on that one alright.

It's been a mostly fun lockdown project in fairness, and including the mudguards it was got for 3.5k. Theres serious value in these tractors if a right one can be got, the value will definitely go up in the classic market. With that being said I have no intention of selling it, we had one on our farm for years that went for handy money for the export market about 15 years ago. I was always on the lookout for one.

PoorFarmer

White Clover wrote: »

Not a hope Bass. Them 300 series Massey's are the epitome of simplicity and reliability. Outside of the faulty spring in the range change (the majority of tractors would have the upgraded spring fitted by now), they were proven as being bulletproof.
A good vice grips would be all you would need to keep one of them going.
When push comes to shove, a good 398 would trump a 5120/30 all day long.

Have done long days in both 5100s and 399s and I would take the Case any day over the MF. There's hardly room for the Vice Grip in the cab of the 399. Very average rear linkage, very poor first day hitch. One I drove had all the gears on 1 lever and would keep skipping through Medium when shifting down the range. Mech shuttle, dry clutch, absolute hoor of a thing to be loading with for a day. Everytime the brakes were applied the 4wd would slap in and the same when disengaged.

Case was a different beast entirely. Smaller turning radius, Powershift and hydraulic shuttle made it much more user friendly and there was room in the cab to bring the lunch box. The lunch would be cooked by the time would get to it cos the cab was a furnace if didnt have aircon.

Will say the MF was an absolute miser on juice though. Good on poor ground too I thought. Probably a bit lighter than the Case and the higher front wheels would probably give it an advantage too there.
Thats just my take on it but its horses for courses really and every lad is different.

Gillespy

It's not a fair comparison spec wise, better matched to the MF 6100 series from that period. A flawed but lovely series of tractor to drive too. The Case 5140 I drove had a great engine, power and really hung on.

Nekarsulm

Drove a 5140 and a 5150 for a few weeks this last few summers.
Loved that Cummins engine.
Always seemed to have more power than they were listed at, and hung in well uphill etc.
4 speed powershift was very nice, and the older version with the 4 speeds on a separate lever was nicer than the 5150 Pro with them on a flick switch in the main lever.
Factory pick'up hitch design was poor.

bogman_bass

The Crystal must have been the best value tractor from that era. Anybody that bought one at the time got good return for investment.

wrangler

bogman_bass wrote: »

The Crystal must have been the best value tractor from that era. Anybody that bought one at the time got good return for investment.

I think I paid £6000 for the first one in 1979, A new 188 was about £2000 dearer. The zetor doesn't hold its value like a massey but when you're starting out with ****all the resale value doesn't matter a hoot

endainoz

wrangler wrote: »

I think I paid £6000 for the first one in 1979, A new 188 was about £2000 dearer. The zetor doesn't hold its value like a massey but when you're starting out with ****all the resale value doesn't matter a hoot

A good one would hold it's value now alright, it's mad when you compare all the extras that were standard in the crystal that the 188 didn't have and still it was more expensive. I do really like the Soviet era boxy type design but I guess I'm a bit biased in fairness!

K.G.

Used to work with a crowd that had a 8045 and behind the the seat there was a knob on top of the housing to do the hydraulics that you have to give a squeeze every so often or else it would come off.i was used to doing it but one day the boss took it and hadnt driven it for a long time and forgot about squeezing it .it came off and the oil shot up to the roof and he got completely covered in oil,the only thing that was white were his two eyes

Bass Reeves

jaginsligo wrote: »

I think it would be deadly value for €15k

Rang out of interest after lunch. 17.5k. 16k might buy it. Good value at that if it's anyway straight

divillybit

https://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/newholland-l85-c-w-rossmore-loader/27157156

This looks like a good tractor, always liked these Fiats/New Holland TL tractors... any idea what it's worth before I go enquiring?

Bass Reeves

divillybit wrote: »

https://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/newholland-l85-c-w-rossmore-loader/27157156

This looks like a good tractor, always liked these Fiats/New Holland TL tractors... any idea what it's worth before I go enquiring?

18--23k. Hours are low it looks clean. If it's a 1-2 owner local machine where its history can be verified up towards the 23k and depending on warranty. If it's not as clean as it looks then you can know a bit off it. At present prices hard to see it for much less than 20k. However it is only 85hp

blue5000

wrangler wrote: »

I think I paid £6000 for the first one in 1979, A new 188 was about £2000 dearer. The zetor doesn't hold its value like a massey but when you're starting out with ****all the resale value doesn't matter a hoot

Might have been earlier, 590 would have been out by 1979.

muddle84

Bass Reeves wrote: »

18--23k. Hours are low it looks clean. If it's a 1-2 owner local machine where its history can be verified up towards the 23k and depending on warranty. If it's not as clean as it looks then you can know a bit off it. At present prices hard to see it for much less than 20k. However it is only 85hp

Judging on the cab layout it looks to be closely related to the Fiat's

wrangler

blue5000 wrote: »

Might have been earlier, 590 would have been out by 1979.

I took over here in late 1978, and bought the Crystal the following spring. and it was a 188 i was pricing

Say my name

Tractordata has the MF 188 from 72 - 76.
Mf 185 71 - 79.
Mf 590 77 - 82.
Mf 575 76 - 82.

We had a 575 here bought from Paddy Leacy imported from the UK and it was a 77 reg.

wrangler

Say my name wrote: »

Tractordata has the MF 188 from 72 - 76.
Mf 185 71 - 79.
Mf 590 77 - 82.
Mf 575 76 - 82.

We had a 575 here bought from Paddy Leacy imported from the UK and it was a 77 reg.

There was a 188 available in 1979 anyway, The 2016 tractor I'm driving at the moment was manufactured in 2014, there was a 1979 188 for sale on t'internet not long ago as well.

White Clover

Wrangler is correct. I know of 2 very late models. One has a Lambourn cab and is definately '79. The other has a Duncan cab and I'm fairly sure it's '79 too.

Grueller

Bass Reeves wrote: »

18--23k. Hours are low it looks clean. If it's a 1-2 owner local machine where its history can be verified up towards the 23k and depending on warranty. If it's not as clean as it looks then you can know a bit off it. At present prices hard to see it for much less than 20k. However it is only 85hp

That might be only 85hp but I have a TL90 here that is basically that tractor in blue. They are a weapon to pull for their size. I have hauled 17 fusion bales on mine on an 8 mile draw.
Mine has 4400 and odd genuine hours. I contemplated trading it up but just can't part with it as I don't know any other tractor of that height, footprint and power that I can replace it with.

An Ri rua

Edit: Mods is this post ok in the spirit of the thread?

Is a David Brown 990 a working tractor any more i.e the 60 hp level? Is anyone bothering with 3 scrape ploughs anymore? Have a Ransome and a Pierce.
I've a few old tractors to move on in the summer, if prices are right. They seem to be improving? These are all in sheds since the 08 sh1tstorm.
2 Universal Fours and a 1060. Full restoration required. And then the 990 selectamatic with I think a Victor cab?
Wouldn't mind giving the Davy a service and a spray but the Nuffields need someone with love, patience and notes.

blue5000

wrangler wrote: »

I took over here in late 1978, and bought the Crystal the following spring. and it was a 188 i was pricing

Was the 590 available here in '79 can you remember? I didn't know the ranges overlapped, thought that once the 500 series was launched they would have stopped the 100 series. Maybe the 188 was old stock?

blue5000

An Ri rua wrote: »

Edit: Mods is this post ok in the spirit of the thread?

Is a David Brown 990 a working tractor any more i.e the 60 hp level? Is anyone bothering with 3 scrape ploughs anymore? Have a Ransome and a Pierce.
I've a few old tractors to move on in the summer, if prices are right. They seem to be improving? These are all in sheds since the 08 sh1tstorm.
2 Universal Fours and a 1060. Full restoration required. And then the 990 selectamatic with I think a Victor cab?
Wouldn't mind giving the Davy a service and a spray but the Nuffields need someone with love, patience and notes.

Ok by me, work away by PM.

jd_12345

Grueller wrote: »

That might be only 85hp but I have a TL90 here that is basically that tractor in blue. They are a weapon to pull for their size. I have hauled 17 fusion bales on mine on an 8 mile draw.
Mine has 4400 and odd genuine hours. I contemplated trading it up but just can't part with it as I don't know any other tractor of that height, footprint and power that I can replace it with.

New Holland T5070 or case jxu115 would be a nice step up in horsepower with the same size frame afaik. Identical tractor cab wise etc.

Donald Trump

blue5000 wrote: »

Was the 590 available here in '79 can you remember? I didn't know the ranges overlapped, thought that once the 500 series was launched they would have stopped the 100 series. Maybe the 188 was old stock?

Used to be a 200 series yoke here and I seem to remember being told that it was bought in 80.


I'd say it was the 200 series that replaced the 100. Not the 500. I do think the 500 were a little older. Didn't some of those have the funny cabs with one door and a big window the length of the other side?

minerleague

Donald Trump wrote: »

Used to be a 200 series yoke here and I seem to remember being told that it was bought in 80.


I'd say it was the 200 series that replaced the 100. Not the 500. I do think the 500 were a little older. Didn't some of those have the funny cabs with one door and a big window the length of the other side?

The 500 series replaced the 100 series, but the 200 series was made alongside the 500 for export to third world countries. A lot got sold in Ire/ eng because they were a good bit cheaper than the 500

Bass Reeves

Grueller wrote: »

That might be only 85hp but I have a TL90 here that is basically that tractor in blue. They are a weapon to pull for their size. I have hauled 17 fusion bales on mine on an 8 mile draw.
Mine has 4400 and odd genuine hours. I contemplated trading it up but just can't part with it as I don't know any other tractor of that height, footprint and power that I can replace it with.

Its a fiat 85/90 I think when they changed to the NH blue colour they called them a different NH name. Fiat engines became Iveco. Would be the same engine as a TL 90 and chassis but I say a different turbo and slightly different back end.

https://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/case-jx-80-no-electrics/27164239

Here is a Case JX80 same as an 80/90 fiat according to he add but more likly similar to a 72/94. No loader and tyres not as good. Newer tractor but higher hours 12750 sterling +vat at about 17K euro. There is a lot of these Fiats rebadged under Case and NH mainly NH most would be tractors with little electrics. They were made in different factoriy but most had that Fiat/Iveco engine in the just turbo'ed up or down for the HP required. I thing there are lads that specalise in reconfiguring the turbo's

lab man

My father bought a 595 here they were some heap of scrap twas handed back the very next day as it wouldn't back up silage

DBK1

wrangler wrote: »

There was a 188 available in 1979 anyway, The 2016 tractor I'm driving at the moment was manufactured in 2014, there was a 1979 188 for sale on t'internet not long ago as well.

Yep we also had a 188 that was bought brand new in 1979. Gave nothing but trouble and was eventually traded in 1982 for a new Fiat 780. The best move that was ever made, no comparison between the two.

The fiat is still here to this day and still earns her keep. Doing around 300 hours a year mainly on a wrapper. The engine was reconditioned about 12 years ago when there was over 30,000 hours on it!

DBK1

divillybit wrote: »

https://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/newholland-l85-c-w-rossmore-loader/27157156

This looks like a good tractor, always liked these Fiats/New Holland TL tractors... any idea what it's worth before I go enquiring?

Yep they are a Fiat dressed up a bit and an absolutely superb stock and machine in my opinion. I have a TL90 and as Grueller said above I’ve yet to see any other tractor of their size with the capabilities they have.

I wrote a bit about them in post 572 in the linked thread (if it has copied in properly).

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=116470648

Bass Reeves

An Ri rua wrote: »

Edit: Mods is this post ok in the spirit of the thread?

Is a David Brown 990 a working tractor any more i.e the 60 hp level? Is anyone bothering with 3 scrape ploughs anymore? Have a Ransome and a Pierce.
I've a few old tractors to move on in the summer, if prices are right. They seem to be improving? These are all in sheds since the 08 sh1tstorm.
2 Universal Fours and a 1060. Full restoration required. And then the 990 selectamatic with I think a Victor cab?
Wouldn't mind giving the Davy a service and a spray but the Nuffields need someone with love, patience and notes.

Any tractor can be considered a working tractor depending on it use. Lads use old tractors to draw turf from bog. Real test is if it will lift a bale of silage. This is often the hardest work some lads use them for, to bring in silage and feed it out during the winter. The DB 990 will just about do that. The Nuffield1060 would nearly donut as well.

The other universal are lower HP but everything has a price. Worst comes to the worst heavy scrap is 200/ ton or more. The scrape plough or any small old farm machinery are always ppopular to be painted up and used as garden ornaments.

I be putting them up from now on lads might have bought them as lock down projects. Realistic pricing is the key to selling stuff. powerhose down old ploughs give them a good going over with a wire brush and paint them up. Lots of lads paint the ploughshares and knives red and rest grey or blue.

Robson99

https://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/newholland-l-85/27809060
18500 sterling. Very low hours

kevthegaff

Robson99 wrote: »

https://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/newholland-l-85/27809060
18500 sterling. Very low hours

Placement of accelerator and lift looks exact same as fiat

Robson99

It's not dear at that. Only problem would be possible cash sale so hard to write off against tax

Bass Reeves

Robson99 wrote: »

It's not dear at that. Only problem would be possible cash sale so hard to write off against tax

I would not call it cheap. I presume no vat. More info gan like buyer will buy using a bank draft or a cash transfer. Either is traceable especially as a tractor reg allows it to be traced.

If you want to put a loader on that add at least 5k+ for anything decent second hand. If you got new 7-9 depending on what make you go for. As well you are not buying from a trader so you have absolutely no comeback. I would not consider it cheap as such

Donald Trump

Bass Reeves wrote: »

Robson99 wrote: »

https://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/newholland-l-85/27809060
18500 sterling. Very low hours

I would not call it cheap. I presume no vat. More info gan like buyer will buy using a bank draft or a cash transfer. Either is traceable especially as a tractor reg allows it to be traced.

If you want to put a loader on that add at least 5k+ for anything decent second hand. If you got new 7-9 depending on what make you go for. As well you are not buying from a trader so you have absolutely no comeback. I would not consider it cheap as such

This was at the bottom of the same page. https://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/massey-ferguson-4455/27707177?


Not a whole lot more expensive even with the VAT and appears to be from a professional seller (so maybe some comeback) and has a loader. The NH/Fiat yoke would seem expensive in comparison.

Robson99

Bass Reeves wrote: »

I would not call it cheap. I presume no vat. More info gan like buyer will buy using a bank draft or a cash transfer. Either is traceable especially as a tractor reg allows it to be traced.

If you want to put a loader on that add at least 5k+ for anything decent second hand. If you got new 7-9 depending on what make you go for. As well you are not buying from a trader so you have absolutely no comeback. I would not consider it cheap as such

They are making 25k for that type tractor with a loader in and dealers Bass. 20k for a clean 85hp tractor with low hours is as good as you are going to get. And no clutch problems if you want a tractor without a loader.
Plenty of yolks with loader and 7000 + hours making 25k and getting dearer by the day

Bass Reeves

Donald Trump wrote: »

This was at the bottom of the same page. https://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/massey-ferguson-4455/27707177?


Not a whole lot more expensive even with the VAT and appears to be from a professional seller (so maybe some comeback) and has a loader. The NH/Fiat yoke would seem expensive in comparison.

Adding vat and exchange rate would being that tractor to 26k if there is vat to go on it. The NH would be a bit over 20 without a loader. The big saving would be in the hassle of trying to source a loader, brackets, joystick and hosing.

You would not long see a 700-1000 go in hosing and fittings to attach a second loader if you did not want a botch job

Donald Trump

Bass Reeves wrote: »

Adding vat and exchange rate would being that tractor to 26k if there is vat to go on it. The NH would be a bit over 20 without a loader. The big saving would be in the hassle of trying to source a loader, brackets, joystick and hosing.

You would not long see a 700-1000 go in hosing and fittings to attach a second loader if you did not want a botch job

Unless that Massey range had some modern expensive to maintain issues and the Fiat was just basic mechanical and I was looking for that, I would choose the Massey at 26 over the Fiat at 20 even if it didn't have the loader.

Bass Reeves

Donald Trump wrote: »

Unless that Massey range had some modern expensive to maintain issues and the Fiat was just basic mechanical and I was looking for that, I would choose the Massey at 26 over the Fiat at 20 even if it didn't have the loader.

I be inclined to agree. Buying from a trader even s distance away is worth 2-3 k. A loader well fitted is worth 5k+.

That Massey is 100 hp as well add another 2-3k

AntrimGlens

funkey_monkey wrote: »

Glarryford usually has a good stock of Massey's listed.
Does that loader have softdrive?

Rang him last week to go and see that yoke, said it was gone. Would have thought it reasonable money if she was straight. Went to look at a 5445 and it had quite a bit of blowby when I pulled the dipstick and only had 3000 hours on it. He was looking £19 stg for it, but I didn't bite.

Gillespy

Those Perkins engines are known heavy breathers. Loads of them out there puffing like mad with big hours burning no oil. It is off putting when buying second hand to know how much is too much

AntrimGlens

AntrimGlens wrote: »

Rang him last week to go and see that yoke, said it was gone. Would have thought it reasonable money if she was straight. Went to look at a 5445 and it had quite a bit of blowby when I pulled the dipstick and only had 3000 hours on it. He was looking £19 stg for it, but I didn't bite.

Check the turbo.....it can back up into sump,if not wastegating properly or if faulty via the oil feed.and cause this