It's about time we had a compulsory military service

Wanderer78

buried wrote:

This is why I'm flabbergasted no politician or party has had the notion to do this scheme. They'd be voted in for centuries on end if they brought this in. I'm not talking about just resurfacing the roads. I'm saying get right down to the bedrock as the foundation for all roads. Get them digging right right down there and have the roads pristine for centuries.

Shur why stop there, shur they might as well go to the core

Wanderer78

rtron wrote:

We would not be able to afford it.

Theyd do it for free

Jim2007

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

From what Colin Fennelly had to say about life in the Defence Forces it doesn’t seem like there’s a whole lot to do.

It depends on what part of the defense forces you refer to. The navy is very short staffed and as it doubles as a coast guard and rescue service there is little chance of you spending much time standing around twiddling your thumbs.


On the other hand it is not the place for conscripts either. When you have to conduct a boarding party on a suspected drug smuggler on a winters night in the Atlantic, the last thing you need is someone with live rounds being a twat.

AndrewJRenko

JJayoo wrote: »

America uses it's military recruitment as a way to move people up the social ladder, giving them an education and tangible skills, good in principal but johnny with his 100 previouse convictions is making too much money for lazy lawyers

Mad idea, but maybe we could give people an education and tangible skills without involving training to kill?

buried

Wanderer78 wrote: »

Shur why stop there, shur they might as well go to the core

Nah bedrock will do, we want to get this thing fixed sometime this eon like

Wanderer78

buried wrote:

Nah bedrock will do, we want to get this thing fixed sometime this eon like

Keep them occupied, we could get them to do it to one road, with one shovel each, no replacements

Plumbthedepths

In the voice of Comic book guy....worst idea ever!!!!

Jim2007

Wanderer78 wrote: »

Theyd do it for free

In your dreams they do! In the Swiss army, they usually receive a military salary out of school/college or if already employed the employer continues to pay them and is compensated by the state.

Wanderer78

Jim2007 wrote:

In your dreams they do! In the Swiss army, they usually receive a military salary out of school/college or if already employed the employer continues to pay them and is compensated by the state.

We 'll do it differently, no pay, I'm sure we d have lads lining up for it

buried

Wanderer78 wrote: »

Keep them occupied, we could get them to do it to one road, with one shovel each, no replacements

Every Halloween we could give them a present of one stick of dynamite to help them get down further and remind em of the good auld days for morale

tayto lover

Wanderer78 wrote: »

Yup, because discipline resolves all complex social problems

Well then it might be worth a try. Better than letting things continue as they are.

AdrianBalboa

JJayoo wrote: »

America uses it's military recruitment as a way to move people up the social ladder, giving them an education and tangible skills, good in principal but johnny with his 100 previouse convictions is making too much money for lazy lawyers

By ensuring that it’s the only realistic way for them climb out of poverty, America uses the military and its propaganda arms to brainwash and recruit vulnerable poor people in order to invade oil rich countries and arrange military coups in favour of enriching the billionaire elites. It’s better not to introduce even a nominally similar culture over here.

Wanderer78

tayto lover wrote:

Well then it might be worth a try. Better than letting things continue as they are.

Twud in me bollcoks, these lads need serious professional help, many have probably needed it since childhood

Wanderer78

AdrianBalboa wrote:

By ensuring that it’s the only realistic way for them climb out of poverty, America uses the military and its propaganda arms to brainwash and recruit vulnerable poor people in order to invade oil rich countries and arrange military coups in favour of enriching the billionaire elites. It’s better not to introduce even a nominally similar culture over here.

Climb out! It's quick to discard it's people when they're of no use, with nothing

AdrianBalboa

Wanderer78 wrote: »

Climb out! It's quick to discard it's people when they're of no use, with nothing

In this case it would be, considering the absolute state the American military has left some parts of the world after World War II, the numbers dead, and even the incredibly high numbers of traumatised or maimed American veterans.

Wanderer78

AdrianBalboa wrote:

In this case it would be, considering the absolute state the American military has left some parts of the world after World War II, the numbers dead, and even the incredibly high numbers of traumatised or maimed American veterans.

Shur they don't give a sh1te about the after affects, just as long......

An Ri rua

freshpopcorn wrote: »

This old gem of a thread again!

Time to refresh your popcorn and grab a seat

Charles Babbage

Couldn't we do a deal with New Zealand to swap scumbags. We send ours there to run up mountains, well away from their drug suppliers, and they do likewise. It was also give the Irish Army a good chance in the rugby competitions.

Wanderer78

Charles Babbage wrote:

Couldn't we do a deal with New Zealand to swap scumbags. We send ours there to run up mountains, well away from their drug suppliers, and they do likewise. It was also give the Irish Army a good chance in the rugby competitions.

....and they could setup new drug trade routes, since brexit is messing things up

Signore Fancy Pants

It may work for a very very small minority of people. However, some sort of social service would be better to guide those without purpose. Then there would at least be some tangible effect for the money it would cost.

Taking a "scumbag" out of their environment may be a short term solution to "something" but what happens when they go back? Also, bringing loads of "scumbags" together just fosters ties.

It would cost a fortune to implement and sustain, its just a non runner from a financial perspective...never mind the rest.

L1011

Risteard81 wrote: »

It's simply not feasible to mandate military service in the Free State army which many do not recognise.

If the "many" that still hold that viewpoint met in one place, you might just about fill a minibus. Even SF realised this wasn't worth deluding themselves with.

Charles Babbage wrote: »

Couldn't we do a deal with New Zealand to swap scumbags. We send ours there to run up mountains, well away from their drug suppliers, and they do likewise. It was also give the Irish Army a good chance in the rugby competitions.

They'd just find the others drug suppliers. Because there's absolutely nothing that'd stop that getting in to training bases, particularly if there were vastly more of them.

Dyr

Can we not give the scumbags a few years of compulsory service in secure accomodation sewing mailbags and such?

Most armies don't want to deal with conscripts, they're a waste of time and resources

And yourself OP? Will you be included or have you already volunteered.

I can feel my bone spurs acting up myself.

JJayoo

Wanderer78 wrote: »

Then ejects them when they're of no use to the military, with nothing, lovely country!

Nope most leave with an education and skills, a lot of young Americans join the army solely to get an education, they have zero interest in the army as a long term career.

JJayoo

AdrianBalboa wrote: »

By ensuring that it’s the only realistic way for them climb out of poverty, America uses the military and its propaganda arms to brainwash and recruit vulnerable poor people in order to invade oil rich countries and arrange military coups in favour of enriching the billionaire elites. It’s better not to introduce even a nominally similar culture over here.

Such nonsense, how many of these vunerable new recruits do you think are currently invading oil rich countries? Or if you joined up now which oil rich country will you likely be invading? It's 2021

rtron

Wanderer78 wrote: »

Theyd do it for free

The people conscripted could be given a salary akin to the dole surely. But the admin, facilities, supplies, legal fees etc... It's bad enough trying to keep organizations like boy scouts funded these days.

Markus Antonius

Jim2007 wrote: »

And while it is true that Switzerland has compulsory military service, very few actually serve in comparison to the potential number that should. First there is the option to do community service, the number excused on medical, education and training grounds. And the most frequent excuse a letter from your employer stating that you are needed at work. And I have written many of those letters of the past third years and only once has one been rejected.


You post is just a rant, not a serious proposal.

Do you realise what you've done? You just gave me a list of all the constructive things people do to avoid doing military service...

Isn't this the exact point?

TheBoyConor

The reason many Irish people have little or no respect for the Defense forces is because they are descended from the Free Stater National Army, which after the treaty carried on the work of the Brits, doing their bidding on behalf of the Crown to suppress those who held steering enough convictions to hold out and fight for the Irish Republic.

granturismo

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

From what Colin Fennelly had to say about life in the Defence Forces it doesn’t seem like there’s a whole lot to do.

Maybe we could “address” that before sending in the youth of the nation for mandatory service?

Colin Fennelly seemed to have no ambition in the army and no interest in even joining, his sister filled in his application form for the defence forces for him, he left the army after 6 years as a private, he admitted the army suited his only ambition in life - to play hurling. He's not the best poster boy to use to bash teh defence forces but saying that I'd discourage any of my children from joining the ranks - low pay as one reason.

Jim2007

JJayoo wrote: »

America uses it's military recruitment as a way to move people up the social ladder, giving them an education and tangible skills, good in principal but johnny with his 100 previouse convictions is making too much money for lazy lawyers

Nonsense, they use money to entice the poor, who would not be able to get an advanced education other wise to risk their lives to get one it.