Werewolf: Stranger Things

Steve WW

Yeah so thats what I mean re: Jake.

I don't think a wolf puts in that kind of effort to try and nail wolves as a cover.

Trigger

Jake WW wrote: »

I sometimes wonder why I give myself such awkward homework but it does lead me down some interesting rabbit holes. This was the groups suggested BEFORE the chopping and changing started. What we now all know is that 3 of the 5 players in group 2 have left us and were all NRV (I've bolded them for those on mobile).



NRV Liz swapped with Angus as he said he wouldn't know if he'd be around. So Liz entered Group 1 and Angus into Group 2 with 2 (now revealed) NRV's. Myself (Jake) and Kathleen are there aswell. I'm a villager and as it stands, I don't get a wolfy vibe off Kathleen. But then myself and Kathleen jumped onto Group 1 leaving Angus in a position where he didn't know who else would be in group.

There's lots of back n forths late in the night between Conor (who moved first to Group 3) and Angus all about 8 or 9 in group. I could see this being a wolf/wolf conversation. 9 in a group won and they both showed a window of time where 9 had posted and were both willing Will the Wise to use that slot.

Fast forward to Monday morning and Angus is online but didn't straight out add himself to No9 slot in group 1 so we could seal the deal. He makes a long post about now needing 9 at 9.27am but still doesn't secure his spot. I see Barbara has posted and check if she will be in Group 1 (she was in original list) and she confirms she will. Angus now gets angry.

• He wants on the list but not Barbara
• He wants someone else that's not him or Barbara
• he wants on the list again
• Wendy takes control and adds Angus and Barbara and removes Necro
• Angus still not happy Barbara on list

Abigail posts at 1 minute to 10 saying she sees she is no longer required for Group 1. Could Angus possibly have been waiting for her to take the No9 slot and when Barbara took that coverted position it left him possibly in a group with other wolves?

I know I'm rambling but I'm looking at a spreadsheet with all the revisions to group 1 and if I had a gun to my head right now, I would say there's at least 3 wolves in #FFA2
Angus
Conor
Abigail/Clodagh/Eva

So you mean they wanted Abi in group 1 then Angus group 2 and Conor 3? and spread them out a bit. that still leaves one remaining wolf, and they thought Barbara scuppered that for them initially so Angus demanded to be in Group 1 where Abi was supposed to be?

I suppose it is definitely beneficial for the wolves to be spread out over the groups, the final group is going to be looked at closely and possibly shot/peaked so what you are saying does make some sense to me

Also Starring LeVar Burton

Abigail WW wrote: »

Jake would take what IMO appears to be a decent villager off the board and into his team.


Who would you convert.... pick a player?

I already answered Jake or Angus based on the data we had at hand yesterday.

I don't see what benefit an NRV would be to the Demi, when a roled player most likely brings power or intel to the table. The Demi needs to Convert/Get Rid of all the Roled Players in order to win, so they would likely choose someone they suspected to be roled in some way.

Angus WW

Not going to bother with the list stuff again. It's all being explained. I've been reading through the thread for about a couple of hours and I've got my own (probably horribly wrong) views typed up. Posting after this one. Just to say:

Yesterday I voted Fiona because there was little to go on and she messed up the pattern (only slightly) of the scanning. She also voted for me on what I felt was flimsy reasons so I simply reciprocated.

Incidentally, I played the Space Invaders yesterday three times, got bad scores first two times and then on the third I was around 2100 when my laptop froze and I gave up on it.. 

I thought the Katie lynch was understandable but I really didn't see a wolf making such a silly mistake re: backroom links.

Jake WW

Trigger wrote: »

So you mean they wanted Abi in group 1 then Angus group 2 and Conor 3? and spread them out a bit. that still leaves one remaining wolf, and they thought Barbara scuppered that for them initially so Angus demanded to be in Group 1 where Abi was supposed to be?

I suppose it is definitely beneficial for the wolves to be spread out over the groups, the final group is going to be looked at closely and possibly shot/peaked so what you are saying does make some sense to me

When it was all alphabetical, Abigail, Angus, Clodagh, Conor and Eva were all in Group 1. I know there’s only 4 wolves but I haven’t worked out which of the girls it is yet. That’s 3 possible wolves going straight into a hunt maybe all 4, I dunno.

That’s what I’m working off anyway as last night lynch votes are of no use!

Abigail WW

Wendy WW wrote: »

If I was Demi, I would try convert a wolf. For me the wolf lean from yesterday would be Angus.

Why a wolf? What if he gets lynched tonight? Waste of a convert IMO. (Demo would like a wolf less likely to be lynched IMO)

Wendy WW

Abigail WW wrote: »

Why a wolf? What if he gets lynched tonight? Waste of a convert IMO. (Demo would like a wolf less likely to be lynched IMO)

Because they have:

Dr Martin Brenner – Spends his time trying to convince others that his scientific experiments are ethical and needed when dealing with the commies. As the most senior scientist in the security base, he always looks good.
Hawkins Head of Security – If he gets shot at, he will survive and receive a bullet himself. One time power
Dr Sam Owens – Has one syringe he can use at any point after day 1 one to kill. The syringe takes 6 hours to take effect.

That is less of a needle in the haystack than hunting for one Will who is doing a great job of staying under the radar. If he gets one wolf, he knows who the other wolves are. So he now has less of a group to pick the village roles from. If he picks Will correctly, then he can use the syringe before Will announces the result.

Necro

Abigail WW wrote: »

Low posting can swing both ways, but I subscribe to the "if the post nothing of use" then they are as useful as a marzipan dildo at porno shoot.

If you were the Demogod, who would you convert? A low poster skirting by....? A high poster appearing to be doing good village work?

:pac::pac: Burst out laughing reading this


On the question, I know it wasn't directed at me but I would be looking at someone like you Abi. Or Brendan or Jake

You because it would get someone who asks lots of questions (like the one above) off my back for a while

Brendan for his skills in possibly getting me a prize

Jake because he's super mega focused on Demi Lovato - and because I'm a cruel cruel individual would like to see how they react if converted to the very team they are hunting


Outside bets of LeVar and Trigger, both mostly under the radar and also cos they'd simply just be fun to convert

Wendy WW

*Sorry if he picks the right wolf, i.e. Sam Owens, he gets the use of the syringe. But either way, he knows who Sam is to convince him to use it for example.

Necro

Jake WW wrote: »

I know I'm rambling but I'm looking at a spreadsheet with all the revisions to group 1 and if I had a gun to my head right now, I would say there's at least 3 wolves in #FFA2
Angus
Conor
Abigail/Clodagh/Eva

Ok I'm taking three for your FFA Jake, so are you sticking with Abi as number three?

Steve WW

Wendy WW wrote: »

If I was Demi, I would try convert a wolf. For me the wolf lean from yesterday would be Angus.

If I was a demooohmergaawd I'd be after the seer. Super useful power to build village cred with. Eleven would be nice but I think whoever got that would be fairly happy to not give any clues, theres no benefit to breadcrumbing the role.

Steve WW

My FFA

#1 Clodagh
#2 Fiona
#3 Dont really have a third hard suspect (unless we can lynch necro then its necro lolz jokezzzz)

Jake WW

Necro wrote: »

Ok I'm taking three for your FFA Jake, so are you sticking with Abi as number three?

No take the top 2 and I’ll go check on the 3 girls and get back to you. At the minute they’re on an equal footing.

Angus WW

I think at least one of Trigger, Necro, Brendan and Abigail might be a wolf. Let me explain.

Abigail came out blazing on all cylinders, going after Necro for no reason, put a vote on him first thing and they got into an "argument" about absolutely nothing.

Then she became much calmer later on, even backing him up by agreeing with him about the conversion being announced on thread (which proved true) even though his conversion comments were one of the things she quoted in her post where she announced she was voting for Necro. Then

I got the feeling JP Liz V1 was hinting at being the seer. She wasn't -but the wolves did not know that.

JP Liz V1 wrote:

I'm leaning for Joyce to peek Trigger or Necro tonight

JP Liz V1 wrote:

Is this for me about my peek view Abi

Notice how she says 'my' peek view. This looks like it's in response to Abi, but in fact, Abigail was speaking to Conor and not asking her anything. This "my peek" comment goes completely unremarked upon by anyone. Abigail doesn't respond.  

It has to be said there were a lot of posters around when she made this remark. A dutiful wolf would have picked up on it.

The next talk about Liz is by ASLB:

Also Starring LeVar Burton wrote:

Everyone is self-aware (well maybe not Liz - if she suddenly started saying things that made sense, I would probably be suspicious) regardless of alignment.

I guess this might be just a joke. I haven't seen anything by ASLB that gives me a lean either way. Then the next person to probe Liz is

Necro wrote:

Who would you vote for at the moment Liz?

This seemingly innocuous question comes two pages after Liz makes the "my" peek "mistake". If I were a wolf I wouldn't respond, I would just think "mistake-candidate for munch". It doesn't really matter who she's going to peek-you find a seer, you kill a seer without drawing attention. But then others might do it differently. Anyway, Liz replies

JP Liz V1 wrote:

I would like you Necro or Trigger peaked by Joyce

I was leaning Angus earlier as he did not seem to want Will to scan this morning's group that he was in

At the moment I'm really not sure

Jake was kinda another lean for me but as Abi pointed out he started the Demi plan so would a wolf do that, I am assuming all wolves know each other including Demi so they could be working together

Here she names Necro and Trigger as the primary peeks for Joyce. She also mentions Jake and I. Because she said "my peek" two pages earlier, the wolves believe HER to be Joyce and think she has slipped up.

I think that's really why they munched her. In fact, it would have been the perfect option because:

A/ They knew she wasn't a wolf
B/ They thought she was the seer.
C/ If Brendan is village, they would hope to cast suspicion on Brendan and his "peek" into the bargain.
D/ They would hope to cast suspicion on the names she suspected.

Necro isn't doing as much wolf-hunting in this game as he usually does in my opinion. Neither is anyone really, but Necro is usually the one eager to lead villages when he is village. I haven't seen any real village leadership from him. Maybe he's just busy but that is my view. I haven't had time to take a close look at Trigger's posts.

You might ask would the wolves munch someone to frame Trigger/Necro? Yes. But conversely if a wolf picked up on the "my peek" remark they have to munch her anyway; doubly so, since she's being "peeked" by Brendan and possibly outed as a village seer. If Brendan is village- which the wolves would know.

Another point is the wolves could possibly have left JP Liz V1 if they thought she was peeking players who weren't wolves -Trigger, Necro. They could have munched someone else and left her to be killed later. It's not like everyone was on her side yesterday or anything. But once they found out that Brendan (if village or demogorgon) was peeking her or (if Brendan was a wolf himself) that she was planning on peeking another wolf (Trigger or Necro) they had to get rid of her first thing.

Unless the whole "I'm peeking JP Liz V1, the results will be revealed after munch tomorrow" megaphone declaration by Brendan was a complete ruse-as the wolves knew by then that JP Liz V1 was a goner and Brendan's "peek" could be used on someone else suspected of being a demogorgon (or, if Brendan is the demogorgon, he was completely genuinely going to peek JP Liz V1 as whether she's NRV/RV or wolf, he's on his own in this game from the start, it doesn't matter) without fear of questioning.

There was also this below, posted yesterday which makes no real sense as she wasn't actually a seer.

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

So Jake could be Demi and recruited Abi today

But Abi, who she names here, as a possible baddie, might have thought that she had already peeked her somehow? Unlikely but just a thought to back things up. There was also a moment where Jp Liz V1 alluded to Jake and Abigail being possible "allies."

Then there was this, posted at 5:33pm

Abigail wrote:

Whats everyone scores?
6260 for me personally. I think a higher score will win it.

Then after 9pm, in response to Brendan asking about prizes.

Abigail wrote:

I can confirm I was 7700... no prize here.

To be reasonable Abigail could have gotten a higher score between 5:33pm and 6pm, when the competition closes.

So I've got my eye on Trigger, Necro, Abigail, and I suppose, as he is named by JP Liz V1 too, maybe Jake, as well as Brendan, for the whole peek fiasco last night. I actually have liked Jake's posting since day one so I'm not thinking about him at all. I see he has me top of the FFA now. 

Others might throw  Angus into the fray as a possible wolf based on my own theory above. 

Based on my reasoning above, I will vote Trigger, Abigail, or Necro later. Unless anything changes or they can change my mind and point out something I've overlooked. I'm a reasonable chap. 

It's not a great argument, there's probably some holes and contradictions in there for sure, but it's my thoughts. 

P.S. Apologies for the essay if you've read this far, off to get dinner. Back later perhaps.

Abigail WW

Ok, so here goes....

Brendan WW wrote: »

So day one, 10-12 was:
Wendy
Trigger
Angus
Barbara

Brendan
Steve
Liz
Fiona

Today, 12-2 was
Wendy
Trigger
Angus
Barbara

Necro
Abigail
KathleenGrant
Conor

So:
Yes-Yes means Wendy, Trigger, Angus, Barbara
Yes-No means Brendan, Steve, Liz, Fiona
No-Yes means Necro, Abigail, KathleenGrant, Conor
No-No means ASLB, Clodagh, Eva, Jake

Someone should double check that though!

Scan 1 - 10am-12pm Monday

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nothing detected

Scan 2 - 12pm - 2pm Tuesday

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nothing detected.

If these stats above are true, then ASLB, Clodagh, Eva, Jake is where the Demogorgon lies.


Will Byers out.

Abigail WW

Man Angus, all that hard work to place me as a wolf was a giant waste huh.....

Angus WW

I guess? :P

Necro

Angus WW wrote: »

Necro isn't doing as much wolf-hunting in this game as he usually does in my opinion. Neither is anyone really, but Necro is usually the one eager to lead villages when he is village. I haven't seen any real village leadership from him. Maybe he's just busy but that is my view. I haven't had time to take a close look at Trigger's posts.

This is kinda unfair Angus given on both days I've made posts stating exactly that we have been focusing on Demi Lovato far too much

Necro wrote: »

Frankly I think we are far too focused on Demi Lovato which is exactly what the wolves want.

We've done the thing now for Will to scan a certain amount of players, let's move on and try and find some wolves.

Necro wrote: »

Gotta say I'll be thankful when this period is up. Everyone being focused on Demi Lovato gives wolves an easy way to appear villagery, it's leaving me struggling to see much suspicious by anyone tbh.

And lookit I get the purpose of it but it's a handy way for wolves to look helpful without actually doing a whole pile. Katie being a no show helped there too tbh.

And not organising the village? Meh, I did offer to do FFAs. I take it yours is Trigger, Abi and me then???

Necro

Abigail WW wrote: »

Ok, so here goes....






Scan 1 - 10am-12pm Monday

---

nothing detected

Scan 2 - 12pm - 2pm Tuesday

---

nothing detected.

If these stats above are true, then ASLB, Clodagh, Eva, Jake is where the Demogorgon lies.


Will Byers out.

Oh interesting.... Of COURSE you would post that while I was knee deep in your ISO :rolleyes:

Abigail WW

Necro wrote: »

Oh interesting.... Of COURSE you would post that while I was knee deep in your ISO :rolleyes:

Better than being just finished in my ISO

Eva WW

Abigail WW wrote: »

Ok, so here goes....






Scan 1 - 10am-12pm Monday

---

nothing detected

Scan 2 - 12pm - 2pm Tuesday

---

nothing detected.

If these stats above are true, then ASLB, Clodagh, Eva, Jake is where the Demogorgon lies.


Will Byers out.

So, who wants to be first?

Eva WW

My main issue with the wolves spreading out theory is I'd suspect they haven't told each other exactly who they all are. To do so would expose them to Demi if they were to be converted. So I'd suspect they're all keeping their names secret and only revealing themselves if a munch order is placed on one of them by another wolf accidentally.

KathleenGrant

Abigail WW wrote: »

Ok, so here goes....






Scan 1 - 10am-12pm Monday

---

nothing detected

Scan 2 - 12pm - 2pm Tuesday

---

nothing detected.

If these stats above are true, then ASLB, Clodagh, Eva, Jake is where the Demogorgon lies.


Will Byers out.

She is Will Byers??? Or just saying that?

Trigger

KathleenGrant wrote: »

She is Will Byers??? Or just saying that?

Has to be really, no point in faking it out as the real will could just challenge it

Necro

Trigger wrote: »

Has to be really, no point in faking it out as the real will could just challenge it

There is the tiniest sliver of possibilities that Abigail is converted and leading us up the garden path but I've no doubt that she is Will Byers.

Eva WW

Trigger wrote: »

Has to be really, no point in faking it out as the real will could just challenge it

Yeah, the only danger is they were converted. But that's fairly slim likelihood.

Trigger

My own thoughts would be to rule Jake out first off. There is absolutely no way Imo that they do that amount of work into finding themselves. They would have no end game once the other 3 die they would have to go so no way of winning really.

Eva WW

Necro wrote: »

Heyyyyy


Heeeeeeyyyy


HEEEEYYYYYY

Point taken


:P

Necro

Ok, so I guess we lynch in the four then. I'm conscious we are now, once again ignoring the wolves mind but we gotta slim out that pack somehow in order to find Demi

Necro

Trigger wrote: »

My own thoughts would be to rule Jake out first off. There is absolutely no way Imo that they do that amount of work into finding themselves. They would have no end game once the other 3 die they would have to go so no way of winning really.

Does seem sort of suicidal :pac: