Kia EV6

Kramer

The sister car to the Ioniq 5 - the Kia looks interesting too.



It's looking like the Ioniq 5, Kia EV6 & ID.4 are already well ahead of the Model Y, a good year before it even appears in €urope.
I think someone would specifically want to own a Tesla, in order to chose the Model Y over those three.

Competition will be great anyway & I'm eager to see the Hyundai & Kia, hopefully early in Q3 this year.

https://www.electrive.com/2021/03/15/kia-reveals-the-first-images-of-the-ev6-design/

irishgrover

it's this, the ioniq 5 of the MG Marvel R for my next car..............decisions decisions !

Kramer

irishgrover wrote: »

it's this, the ioniq 5 of the MG Marvel R for my next car..............decisions decisions !

The ID.4 seems to be getting rave reviews too..........
Seriously contemplating one of those three myself, in the next few months.

unkel

Kramer wrote: »

The ID.4 seems to be getting rave reviews too..........

Where did you see rave reviews? I saw two reviews in the last few days, one from Jonny Smith and one from Fully Charged Show and the car came out fairly mediocre in both

Kramer

unkel wrote: »

Where did you see rave reviews?

Bob Flavin - he's a expert reviewer .

pullandbang

First thing that came to mind when I looked at the photos of the exterior - Citroen DS - just gorgeous

cannco253

How many of these or the Ioniq5 will make it to Ireland in 2021?

unkel

Kramer wrote: »

Bob Flavin - he's a expert reviewer .

If you are seriously considering buying one, based on the one good review from Bob Flavin, you need your head examined. Hard to tell sometimes whether you are trolling or not with these sort of remarks, you might not even realise it yourself at this stage

At least go watch the above two that I mentioned and a few others. Jonny is pretty trustworthy and independent. Fullycharged is evangelistic about EVs, so usually lyrical about any new one, but not so much so about the ID.4

Kramer

unkel wrote: »

If you are seriously considering buying one, based on the one good review from Bob Flavin, you need your head examined. Hard to tell sometimes whether you are trolling or not with these sort of remarks, you might not even realise it yourself at this stage

At least go watch the above two that I mentioned and a few others. Jonny is pretty trustworthy and independent. Fullycharged is evangelistic about EVs, so usually lyrical about any new one, but not so much so about the ID.4

In my defense, Bob did say the ID.4 was the new king of EVs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aW7crVGm-s4

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He also said EVs can catch fire when charging, setting one's fuse box & house on fire.............so that was worrying :eek:. That's why he never plugs in his EV overnight - he'll only charge it when he is up/awake, because it's just too damn dangerous .

Fully Charged = bought & paid for PR. Obviously still have a thing for VW after dieselgate so I gave up on them ages ago.

Before we got the Ioniq, I had done probably 10k kms in loaner BEVs, before deciding & I've have driven quite a few more BEVs since. I wouldn't make any decision to plonk down €50k on a car, based solely on a (likely sponsored & paid for) reviewer's opinion.

That said, I think Nobby from here also liked the ID.4 but this US guy, who lives on the road in EVs, was also very impressed by the ID.4.
eTron levels of silence/refinement & comfort.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQdsbuEo6w4

Anyway, I don't always troll .

So I'll be looking at those 3, hopefully early in Q3.

vectra

I tend to read Matt Watson reviews.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rVSw9r7LQc

JohnC.

Some information on UK models

https://www.electrifying.com/blog/article/new-kia-ev6-can-bash-supercars-and-go-317-miles-on-a-charge

Standard £40,895
GT-Line £43,895
GT £58,295
These are all 77kWh versions. 58kWh coming next year.

That GT has 572bhp

Kramer

JohnC. wrote: »

That GT has 572bhp

Wow, that's whiplash territory :eek:.

Caravan fans will be delighted to hear than the Kia can also tow up to 1,600kg and has the ability to power external electric devices with a load of up to 3.6kW

Can tow 1600Kg & looks well in the red, IMO.

JohnC.

Premier video. There's a drag race about 12 minutes in.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_aOOAa-Q2k

Gile_na_gile

It's a really fine machine, but for the mid-range market it will be the 58kWh usable battery, so we can probably imagine about 350km and I would guess priced around 40k. So perhaps nothing coming immiently to challenge the ID.4 1st pricepoint? I imagine the Ioniq 5 will be similar pricing, and about 48k EUR and more for the larger battery options.

Kramer

JohnC. wrote: »

Premier video. There's a drag race about 12 minutes in.

Bloody McLaren just pipped it .

unkel

Video is a good example showing the superiority of even relatively cheap EVs over ICE cars, even supercars. All of those cars would have overtaken the Kia in a mile drag race. But in a quarter mile EV is the one to beat.

Electrics need a 2 speed gearbox then they would have plenty of torque at higher speeds if you want to drive well beyond legal limits that is.

unkel

You can drive well beyond legal limits in every single EV for sale in this country today with the fixed gear no problem

I know what you mean though, an EV would have far better continued acceleration at higher speeds if it had more gears. I guess the only EVs we will see that on are very high end super / hyper cars.

cannco253

https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/motors/kia-s-all-electric-ev6-crossover-will-have-a-585bhp-performance-version-1.4523783

I wonder how insurance companies will rate an EV with this much power?

Orebro

I've said it before but I find it hilarious that the motoring journos have now gone from the gold standard, used since the stone age 0-60mph benchmarks, to these totally unrealistic, non real world quarter mile challenges on runways just because the EVs are kicking ass at the 0-60. Who needs a car that will accelerate to a prison sentence speed when you can murder anything from a standstill all the way to the legal limits (and a little bit beyond if required).

jordan191

Shouldn't be a problem, i jumped from a 2011 1.6 diesel passat to a model 3 performance (490bhp) & my insurance dropped from 600 to 550 euro fully comp

unkel

cannco253 wrote: »

I wonder how insurance companies will rate an EV with this much power?

I've an EV that's more powerful than that, which is also very expensive to fix when it gets crashed / broken with expensive hard to get parts, yet I pay only about €500 fully comprehensive, full NCB protection, limited business use, etc.

In other words: insurance is not an issue. From statistics it looks like EV owners are safe drivers, insurance is relatively cheap.

Oafley Jones

unkel wrote: »

I've an EV that's more powerful than that, which is also very expensive to fix when it gets crashed / broken with expensive hard to get parts, yet I pay only about €500 fully comprehensive, full NCB protection, limited business use, etc.

In other words: insurance is not an issue. From statistics it looks like EV owners are safe drivers, insurance is relatively cheap.

I’m guessing that’s owing to the tiny numbers. Wait a decade when every scrote can purchase them and then we’ll see.

Old diesel

Oafley Jones wrote: »

I’m guessing that’s owing to the tiny numbers. Wait a decade when every scrote can purchase them and then we’ll see.

I agree with this.

Its a challenge for the longer term.

Model 3s are just too attainable in the real world for idiots to not eventually get hold of them and have accidents.

Lads will see Tesla videos online and decide they want some of that action in terms of acceleration etc.

Hard to see it ending well.

Edit.

Its actually surprising how lenient Irish insurance companys are with the likes of Model 3s pricewise. These bucks have a historical track record of panicking over the difference between a 1.6 and a 2 litre.

irishgrover

Old diesel wrote: »

I agree with this.

Its a challenge for the longer term.

Model 3s are just too attainable in the real world for idiots to not eventually get hold of them and have accidents.

Lads will see Tesla videos online and decide they want some of that action in terms of acceleration etc.

Hard to see it ending well.

Edit.

Its actually surprising how lenient Irish insurance companys are with the likes of Model 3s pricewise. These bucks have a historical track record of panicking over the difference between a 1.6 and a 2 litre.

Insurance is often primarily driven by the profile of the driver as opposed to the performance of the vehicle

liamog

irishgrover wrote: »

Insurance is often primarily driven by the profile of the driver as opposed to the performance of the vehicle

And by profile of the driver, it's as much about things the driver can't control such as where they live.

JPLee

The first EV6 for Ireland is supposed to produce in July.

This means it will arrive in September.

Anything you would like to know?

Busman Paddy Lasty

JPLee wrote: »

The first EV6 for Ireland is supposed to produce in July.

This means it will arrive in September.

Anything you would like to know?

Hyeong nim, what is your job title in Kia?

What are the trim specifications available in Ireland?
How much will it cost at each trim/battery capacity level?

JPLee

Busman Paddy Lasty wrote: »

Hyeong nim, what is your job title in Kia?
-I'm a sort of Salesperson

What are the trim specifications available in Ireland?
-We're thinking about having three trims, but high trim will be available later.

How much will it cost at each trim/battery capacity level?

-We're considering it. Our headache all the time. But definitely, it will be higher than e-Niro and less than Model3.

fits

Will definitely be following with interest. I’ve my heart set on Soul at the moment but yet to convince other half. But watching the EV6 for sure.

fits

JPLee wrote: »

-We're considering it. Our headache all the time. But definitely, it will be higher than e-Niro and less than Model3.

What sort of range will be on basic trim?

Busman Paddy Lasty

JPLee wrote: »

-We're considering it. Our headache all the time. But definitely, it will be higher than e-Niro and less than Model3.

Also waiting with interest. 77kWh RWD is directly comparable to ID.4 on those two criteria - people will do this. Please make this spec very affordable in order to get them on the road. When people see them they will be interested in them. Seen this already happen with the ID.4.

Is 510km confirmed WLTP rating or is it still "pending homologation" whatever that means?

JPLee

fits wrote: »

What sort of range will be on basic trim?

We're waiting for the final homologation. We hope it would be reached 510km (WLTP).

JPLee

Busman Paddy Lasty wrote: »

Also waiting with interest. 77kWh RWD is directly comparable to ID.4 on those two criteria - people will do this. Please make this spec very affordable in order to get them on the road. When people see them they will be interested in them. Seen this already happen with the ID.4.

Is 510km confirmed WLTP rating or is it still "pending homologation" whatever that means?

Thank you for your comments.

We're still waiting for the homologation result.

Regarding specification, there are a lot of constraints inside and outside. Anyhow, we know that this model is a super important one to change the Kia brand in the Irish market.

unkel

Kia and Hyundai. Possible step up to be market leader rather than an also contender.

stesaurus

Will Ireland get the GT version?

JPLee

stesaurus wrote: »

Will Ireland get the GT version?

Yes!

But basic & medium trim will come to Ireland first, and GT will be later. (Sorry but it is beyond our hand)

JPLee

unkel wrote: »

Kia and Hyundai. Possible step up to be market leader rather than an also contender.

Thanks a million. I'll take it as a compliment.

Personally, I like Hyundai, but I reckon that Kia is better especially design perspective.

stesaurus

JPLee wrote: »

Yes!

But basic & medium trim will come to Ireland first, and GT will be later. (Sorry but it is beyond our hand)

Excellent, hopefully I can place an order for January of the GT

carsfan2

JPLee wrote: »

The first EV6 for Ireland is supposed to produce in July.

This means it will arrive in September.

Anything you would like to know?

Do you work for Kia?
Will Ireland get more poorly equipped cars than other markets to keep prices low?

JPLee

carsfan2 wrote: »

Do you work for Kia?
Will Ireland get more poorly equipped cars than other markets to keep prices low?

When it comes to the less equipped option, there are two sides to every story.

As you know 'well-included options' means 'higher price'. Due to the high tax system in Ireland, our initial cost will be a huge burden to our final customers.
(TMI) Nowadays we can't choose the options only which we want among the whole options list.

And some customers may complain if we include many options which will not be necessary to them.


BTW, do you think which model is the most poorly equipped in the Kia lineup?

Kramer

carsfan2 wrote: »

Will Ireland get more poorly equipped cars than other markets to keep prices low?

I wouldn't agree prices are low here. I think we're being ripped off :eek:.
10% tarriff, Vat, VRT, NOx..............enjoy your drive!

JPLee

stesaurus wrote: »

Excellent, hopefully I can place an order for January of the GT

Just for your reference,

most likely GT will be 222 model.

Base & mid-trim (GT Line) will be 221 models.

https://worldwide.kia.com/eu/uk/en/ev6/reserve?cmpid=ev6_pre-reservation_uk

carsfan2

Kramer wrote: »

I wouldn't agree prices are low here. I think we're being ripped off :eek:.
10% tarriff, Vat, VRT, NOx..............enjoy your drive!

I agree prices of cars aren’t low here. I really meant will the importer remove features present in other markets so they can hit a particular price point they otherwise couldn’t due to our excessive taxes.

Kramer

carsfan2 wrote: »

I agree prices of cars aren’t low here. I really meant will the importer remove features present in other markets so they can hit a particular price point they otherwise couldn’t due to our excessive taxes.

I think manufacturers quite often downgraded Irish cars to increase profits too. EVs were somewhat aloof, as they loaded in the extras to make them in some way desireable. Not many would have wanted a rudimentary Leaf 24 IMO & the Hyundai Ioniq came very well specked back in the day, even here for example.

The removal of the €5k SEAI grant will probably alter pricing or speck slightly at the €60k mark though.

I see the presumed Kia rep is now banned, but disappointing to see them mention Jan 2022 for the first EV6s here & 2023 for the performance model.
Prices (from the UK link) look high too - they'll be in the €50k+ area & likely over €70k for the performance model.

For a Kia :eek:.

carsfan2

UK specs and prices.


https://www.carmagazine.co.uk/car-news/first-official-pictures/kia/ev6/

unkel

Have to say the looks of the EV6 are growing on me. Would love to see a head to head full on test between the GT and the Model Y Performance. On track and all. These are 0-60 in 3s cars. That's Ferrari / Lamborghini performance for relatively very modest money.

Kramer

£40,895 standard.
£43,895 GT Line.
£58,295 "The hot GT".

It ain't gonna be cheap here.....that's the trend .

Kramer

Kramer wrote: »

£40,895 standard.
£43,895 GT Line.
£58,295 "The hot GT".

Corrected for Irish vat & currency exchange, they approximate to:

€48k
€52k
€69k

Not sure how incentives apply to the UK pricing now or how they'll work out exactly here, but a long way from the €25k Ioniq & Leaf days :eek:.

unkel

UK grant is now only GBP2,500 though and we still have our SEAI grant of €5k? Not sure how much the VRT is here on the entry level model, but it could well be cheaper than over there. Also they are all the LR in the UK, perhaps we are getting the SR here. With the "SR" for short range probably plenty for 95% of car owners.

carsfan2

I think the 5k grant is going in July on electric cars with retail prices over 60k.