F1 2021 :Round 1 Bahrain

Adamocovic

Good drive by Lewis. Even though I find him a boring character on the grid can’t deny he’s some driver.

Hoping that today is a sign of more battling this year to come.

Be interesting to get Perez in the mix.

Seems unfortunately rest of teams still a good bit behind Red Bull and Merc. But who knows what will happen!

Entertaining start to the year.

Lougho

skipper_G wrote: »

You can't possibly be suggesting it's okay to overtake another car with all 4 wheels off the track?

Next they will be saying cross the sand on an open hair pin to gain an advantage is acceptable.

Zookey123

Lawlesz wrote: »

You realize that was in response to Hamilton doing it beforehand and getting away with it? Give your head a wobble

So Lewis does it and its cheating, but when Max does the same " He is just responding to Lewis". Breaching the track limits is either cheating or its not. Also its up to the stewards to enforce this rule.

Busi_Girl08

Very subdued podium.

RunningFlyer

BrentMused wrote: »

Superb drive from Hamilton and a clinic in tyre management as always, but lack of patience really cost Max there.

He inevitably would have caught Lewis on the straight at the end of that lap if he had more patience.

Completely agree with this. I guess because of the usual Merc dominance Max hasn’t quite gained the experience of patience and being clever in the latter stages. As Brundle says, he could have waited until turn 13/14 to let Lewis pass so then he would get DRS on the home straight and retake the position - that sort of thinking comes with experience. Tactics from RB also seemed out of character but I’m guessing that was to get Perez up to top-5 to act as a block.

Hats off to Perez though and a lot of other drivers. It’s refreshing to see so many teams in the mix and some proper racing across the top and middle of field.

Also, delighted Mazepin crashed out on lap 1. Hopefully he learns a bit of humility!

FourFourRED

Jaysus, three weeks until the next race!

Gaoth Laidir

Faugheen wrote: »

Loads of people doubt his ability.

For anyone to say ‘nobody doubts his ability’ is chatting complete and utter nonsense. Every race there is some excuse that undermines his ability and it’s because people think he’s a complete and utter twat.

‘Cheated today and got away with it’. Exactly my point.

How much of a cumulative advantage did he get from all those laps when he went out of limits? Add it up and see what you get at the end of the race.

Blinkers.

ricimaki

Max and Bottas have no interest in celebrations...

namloc1980

3 weeks to the next race!

Faugheen

To everyone saying Mercedes cheated.

Show me where Lewis Hamilton overtook someone in this race with all four wheels off the track?

Otherwise, you’re comparing apples and oranges.

lolie

Really disappointed Max didn't win but that was the stewards fault for not warning Mercedes earlier in the race for going wide at turn 4.
Max got the pass done but it was his tiny error and great driving from Hamilton that lost him the race.

Burkie1203

Faugheen wrote: »

To everyone saying Mercedes cheated.

Show me where Lewis Hamilton overtook someone in this race with all four wheels off the track?

Otherwise, you’re comparing apples and oranges.

Perez had a time deleted yesterday.

Where was Hamilton/Bottas punishment today

artanevilla

Even with the bad pit stop Bottas was well off the pace.

FourFourRED

lolie wrote: »

Really disappointed Max didn't win but that was the stewards fault for not warning Mercedes earlier for going wide at turn 4.
Max got the pass done but it was his tiny error and great driving from Hamilton that lost him the race.

He had his chances. Wasn’t able to take it. Maybe next time.

Regardless, what a season we may have in store for us. It would be great to see a competitive race every week.

Faugheen

Gaoth Laidir wrote: »

How much of a cumulative advantage did he get from all those laps when he went out of limits? Add it up and see what you get at the end of the race.

Blinkers.

How much of an advantage did Max get for doing the same thing before the overtake?

How much of an advantage did Max get when they were side-by-side?

Hamilton got a track-limits warning. Did you know that?

Faugheen

Burkie1203 wrote: »

Perez had a time deleted yesterday.

Where was Hamilton/Bottas punishment today

Hamilton got a warning and told next time was a penalty.

Irishjg

FourFourRED wrote: »

He had his chances. Wasn’t able to take it. Maybe next time.

Regardless, what a season we may have in store for us. It would be great to see a competitive race every week.

Amen to that FourFourRed. We’re in for a mega season if this continues.

skipper_G

artanevilla wrote: »

Even with the bad pit stop Bottas was well off the pace.

Nothing unusual there

Burkie1203

Faugheen wrote: »

Hamilton got a warning and told next time was a penalty.

and he did it one or two times more from what i could see

Cool_CM

Not much in the way of celebrations after that - how many races in a row is that without champagne on the podium?

Faugheen

Burkie1203 wrote: »

and he did it one or two times more from what i could see

That’s nice. How many cars did he overtake when doing it?

McFly85

Faugheen wrote: »

To everyone saying Mercedes cheated.

Show me where Lewis Hamilton overtook someone in this race with all four wheels off the track?

Otherwise, you’re comparing apples and oranges.

The stewards should either enforce track limits or not. Not just start enforcing them once RB start doing it.

Faugheen

McFly85 wrote: »

The stewards should either enforce track limits or not. Not just start enforcing them once RB start doing it.

It’s always against the rules to overtake a car while off the track.

How are you having trouble understanding that?

Widdensushi

McFly85 wrote: »

The stewards should either enforce track limits or not. Not just start enforcing them once RB start doing it.

I wonder if redbull had not flagged it could we have had a different result

quokula

Faugheen wrote: »

Hamilton got a warning and told next time was a penalty.

Hamilton did it dozens of times and got a meaningless warning. Verstappen did it once and was told to hand certain victory that he’d earned over to Lewis.

The mental gymnastics trying to justify the way Mercedes got away with cheating is astonishingly.

Gaoth Laidir

Faugheen wrote: »

To everyone saying Mercedes cheated.

Show me where Lewis Hamilton overtook someone in this race with all four wheels off the track?

Otherwise, you’re comparing apples and oranges.

You don't need to be overtaking someone to gain an advantage or be breaking the rules. If you do it lap after lap then you're eating into the gap to the car ahead. It's all fairly simple, really. How come Perez got called up on it immediately yesterday?

ricimaki

I hope Perez can qualify well this year. We could have some more battles at the front.

Great to see McLaren and Ferrari so closely matched. Still disappointing that Bottas had plenty of margin for a pitstop in front of them.
Difficult to judge exactly where Alpha Tauri, Alpine and Aston Martin fall in the order. They all showed some promise of being close the McLarens.

Mick spinning could highlight some issues with the Haas, which is definitely the worst car this year. At least he held it, though....

Looking like an exiting year so far!

Burkie1203

Faugheen wrote: »

It’s always against the rules to overtake a car while off the track.

How are you having trouble understanding that?

its also against the rules to run wide consistently to gain an advantage. So they clearly gained an advantage by doing it so much and they only applied this rule when RB told Max to do it.

Why was Perez and others getting lap times deleted in the previous 2 days and the Mercs not getting any form of punishment today?

McFly85

Faugheen wrote: »

It’s always against the rules to overtake a car while off the track.

How are you having trouble understanding that?

Not talking about the overtaking, I’m talking about Mercedes going off track as part of their racing line. RB started doing it after Merc weren’t punished, then the stewards told everyone to stop.

Mercedes were allowed a faster racing line for the starting laps, basically.

skipper_G

McFly85 wrote: »

The stewards should either enforce track limits or not. Not just start enforcing them once RB start doing it.

But that's not what happens. They do not have somebody monitoring every car at every corner for track limits. They do not have sensors in the tarmac to automatically detect them. What actually happens is, the race director forwards suspected infringements to the stewards for investigation. Assuming that was triggered By Red Bull's commenting on it via team radio, Hamilton was then instructed to stop or risk a black and white flag and subsequently a 5 second time penalty.

Faugheen

quokula wrote: »

Hamilton did it dozens of times and got a meaningless warning. Verstappen did it once and was told to hand certain victory that he’d earned over to Lewis.

The mental gymnastics trying to justify the way Mercedes got away with cheating is astonishingly.

No no, Max overtook a car while off the track, which is not allowed.

That was always a rule no matter where the race is or whether track limits are in play or not.

When did Hamilton overtake a car while off the track in this race?

Inquitus

Burkie1203 wrote: »

its also against the rules to run wide consistently to gain an advantage. So they clearly gained an advantage by doing it so much and they only applied this rule when RB told Max to do it.

Why was Perez and others getting lap times deleted in the previous 2 days and the Mercs not getting any form of punishment today?

Simply because the rules in Qually and the race as laid down by the stewards were different, comprende?

ctrl-alt-delete

Faugheen wrote: »

That’s nice. How many cars did he overtake when doing it?

That isn't always the only way to gain an advantage.

The thing I can make out from all the talk on Sky was that the track limits issue needs sorting. Whether it is Practice, Qualification, or the race itself it needs to be the same limits and the same enforcement - from what I got from Brundle they left it open for the race in the notes.

I think we can agree there should be a track and they should stick to it. It should be pulled up in the race as quickly as they did for qualifying yesterday.

Irishjg

You cannot overtake beyond the track limits period. Red Bull have no complaints about it. Christian Horner has no complaints just finished a full interview.

Faugheen

Gaoth Laidir wrote: »

You don't need to be overtaking someone to gain an advantage or be breaking the rules. If you do it lap after lap then you're eating into the gap to the car ahead. It's all fairly simple, really. How come Perez got called up on it immediately yesterday?

But Max gained a massive advantage by going off the track, he gained a position.

Why do you have an issue with this rule now? It’s been in place for years.

quokula

ricimaki wrote: »

I hope Perez can qualify well this year. We could have some more battles at the front.

Great to see McLaren and Ferrari so closely matched. Still disappointing that Bottas had plenty of margin for a pitstop in front of them.
Difficult to judge exactly where Alpha Tauri, Alpine and Aston Martin fall in the order. They all showed some promise of being close the McLarens.

Mick spinning could highlight some issues with the Haas, which is definitely the worst car this year. At least he held it, though....

Looking like an exiting year so far!

I think the Haas has had those issues for some time. Grosjean and Magnussen are both much better drivers than they’ve been able to show.

Am I right in saying Mazepin has now started three actual competitive laps in his F1 career and spun in all of them? Other teams might start having to account for him in their strategies if that keeps up.

Burkie1203

Inquitus wrote: »

Simply because the rules in Qually and the race as laid down by the stewards were different, comprende?

so why were they warning hamilton after RB told max to run wide if the rules were different

Burkie1203

Faugheen wrote: »

When did Hamilton overtake a car while off the track in this race?

By running wide at turn 4 consistently while doing the undercut

Inquitus

Burkie1203 wrote: »

so why were they warning hamilton after RB told max to run wide if the rules were different

Qually, lap deleted, Race, only penalised if gaining an advantage, which usually means overtaking, they only got involved because Horner whines like a......

quokula

Faugheen wrote: »

No no, Max overtook a car while off the track, which is not allowed.

That was always a rule no matter where the race is or whether track limits are in play or not.

When did Hamilton overtake a car while off the track in this race?

You seem to either be unfamiliar with the rules or be intentionally ignoring them.

Faugheen

ctrl-alt-delete wrote: »

That isn't always the only way to gain an advantage.

The thing I can make out from all the talk on Sky was that the track limits issue needs sorting. Whether it is Practice, Qualification, or the race itself it needs to be the same limits and the same enforcement - from what I got from Brundle they left it open for the race in the notes.

I think we can agree there should be a track and they should stick to it. It should be pulled up in the race as quickly as they did for qualifying yesterday.

I’m going to spell it out again.

You can’t overtake a car while off the track. Period.

There is no ambiguity on that.

This is it

Faugheen wrote: »

But Max gained a massive advantage by going off the track, he gained a position.

Why do you have an issue with this rule now? It’s been in place for years.

How are you not understanding that posters aren't talking about the overtaking, it's the run wide at turn 4. I've no issue with it myself but why you're being deliberately obtuse, I've no idea.

Cool_CM

ctrl-alt-delete wrote: »

I think we can agree there should be a track and they should stick to it. It should be pulled up in the race as quickly as they did for qualifying yesterday.

From the clip that they showed of Bottas to mention that he got fastest lap, it looks looks like he was off track on than one too.

flazio

Norris explained it well on F1 YouTube a moment ago. You can go wide at turn 4 if you don't gain an advantage. In qualifying, lap time is an advantage, in the race the position is the advantage.

This is it

Faugheen wrote: »

I’m going to spell it out again.

You can’t overtake a car while off the track. Period.

There is no ambiguity on that.

Show us where someone said you can overtake while off the track.

Gaoth Laidir

Faugheen wrote: »

But Max gained a massive advantage by going off the track, he gained a position.

Why do you have an issue with this rule now? It’s been in place for years.

Jesus, it's been in place for years and yet Lewis claimed he didn't know about it.

Max got understeer just as he overtook and that took him off. He immediately gave it back. Why do you have an issue with that? You're completely choosing to ignore the advantage that Lewis accrued early in the race by breaking this limit.

Burkie1203

Inquitus wrote: »

Qually, lap deleted, Race, only penalised if gaining an advantage, which usually means overtaking, they only got involved because Horner whines like a......

so pitting early and using the fresh tyres to put in quick laps to close the gap isnt gaining an advantage?

artanevilla

Max's point of being allowed to continue and taking a 5 second penalty, best case, he makes up +5 and wins, worst case, he doesnt and is relegated to 2nd.

Faugheen

This is it wrote: »

How are you not understanding that posters aren't talking about the overtaking, it's the run wide at turn 4. I've no issue with it myself but why you're being deliberately obtuse, I've no idea.

I’m not being obtuse. People are only complaining because Max had to give back a position.

Why are you deliberately ignoring that?

Gaoth Laidir

flazio wrote: »

Norris explained it well on F1 YouTube a moment ago. You can go wide at turn 4 if you don't gain an advantage. In qualifying, lap time is an advantage, in the race the position is the advantage.

So gaining a few tenths lap after lap is not gaining an advantage?