United Ireland Poll - please vote

ILoveYourVibes

Look we can't make MORE of a mess of NI than the British have!

Bobeagleburger

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Look we can't make MORE of a mess of NI than the British have!

Britain can afford a few mess ups initially. I think they'll be fine medium to long term. Who knows, they might be much better off being out of the EU.

JimmyVik

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

The majority of Sinn Fein dieters that I know aren't paying much in taxes and won't be the ones paying for the burden of the extra taxation required for reunification.

After all, isn't SF the party that thinks it's representatives should only receive the industrial average wage, which means also a huge reduction in taxes payable on that.

Nothing unusual in that. They want to tax high incomes while forgetting to mention that we need to encourage highly paid consultants to work in our hospitals.

Maybe their "volunteer" principles can work on fixing that.

Plus expenses.

downcow

JimmyVik wrote: »

Plus expenses.

And they are getting heat this morning for their minister signing off a scheme that gave £1m+ Covid distress money to the richest golf club in ni, a big amounts to other rich clubs while taxi drivers got £3000.
So so much for the shinners being of the working class

ek motor

I'd favour the opposite, a reunification with Britain . More in common with them culturally than the rest of Europe. If we are going to surrender a large degree of sovereignty may as well to it with a country we are closer to historically , culturally, socially.

ittakestwo

ek motor wrote: »

I'd favour the opposite, a reunification with Britain . More in common with them culturally than the rest of Europe. If we are going to surrender a large degree of sovereignty may as well to it with a country we are closer to historically , culturally, socially.

Great so we can become the poor part of the Uk again that London does not give a **** about.

Junkyard Tom

downcow wrote: »

And they are getting heat this morning for their minister signing off a scheme that gave £1m+ Covid distress money to the richest golf club in ni, a big amounts to other rich clubs while taxi drivers got £3000.
So so much for the shinners being of the working class

That is outrageous. The Golf club should be made hand it back and the minister should apologise.

downcow

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

That is outrageous. The Golf club should be made hand it back and the minister should apologise.

I know this isn’t your favourite paper but here is a brief background https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.newsletter.co.uk/news/politics/sports-minister-deirdre-hargey-to-be-grilled-over-how-covid-hardship-cash-doled-out-3180145%3famp

Boxing clubs £9,000 each , royal County Down golf club £1,600,000 A round of golf will cost you over £200 and if I’m not mistaken women can’t be members, or at least they use a different clubhouse so as not to annoy the men

If you are thinking of joining here’s some rules about your dress

The following examples are unacceptable at all times:
Denim Jeans and Jackets
Sleeveless or collarless shirts
Untailored shorts and cargo shorts
Sweaters without shirts
Garments displaying slogans
Track or Leisure Suits
Shirts hanging loose over trousers or shorts and trousers legs tucked into socks
NOTE: Knee-length or sports socks should be worn with tailored shorts.

FrancieBrady

downcow wrote: »

And they are getting heat this morning for their minister signing off a scheme that gave £1m+ Covid distress money to the richest golf club in ni, a big amounts to other rich clubs while taxi drivers got £3000.
So so much for the shinners being of the working class

I get the issue over this and it needs to be looked at, but WHY would SportNI who recommended these payments and administered them be expected to give 'taxi drivers' monies or be particularly concerned about the working class?

WHat has it to do with a United Ireland would be a pertinent question too.

Seathrun66

tom1ie wrote: »

Hopefully yes?
You want to pay more tax?
If so I would say you are in a minority.

Happy to pay more tax to ensure reunification is done properly. May not have to but if required.....

Seathrun66

wicklowstevo wrote: »

Munster or Connacht are not Ulster

in reality almost no on wants ulster . the brits or us , its a awful place.
its expensive to run and has social problems we are not equipped to deal with , UI would also make a sf government a possibility which no one wants either apart from their indoctrinated online army and party shills
Any one with any intelligence situational awareness or financial sense wants nothing to do with the mess that the loyalists and sf have made up there.
its like some less developed eastern European countries ive been to.

In spite many efforts to elicit a intelligent response about a viable financial plan from any pro UI poster nothing has been forthcoming apart from this sort of rubbish . sure ye play for Munster :pac::pac:

come back to us in 50 years min and we might have another think about it

Polling consistently shows that people in the Republic do want it. Unless you can prove otherwise.

Seathrun66

drdidlittle wrote: »

Both really. Shouldn't have commented without explaining.
Pick on the content of my posts not the grammar. If that's the best comeback you have so be it.
In relation to your skill as a negotiator, I'm sure your diplomatic responce to my explanation will put my fear to bed

Why state 'play the ball not the man' directly after you've done the opposite? Double standards ain't cool.

jh79

Seathrun66 wrote: »

Polling consistently shows that people in the Republic do want it. Unless you can prove otherwise.

Only 31% in favor if it means an increase in taxes.

Q9 in the link.

http://downloads.bbc.co.uk/tv/nolanshow/RTE_BBC_NI_Cross_Border_Survey.pdf

Seathrun66

jh79 wrote: »

Only 31% in favor if it means an increase in taxes.

Q9 in the link.

http://downloads.bbc.co.uk/tv/nolanshow/RTE_BBC_NI_Cross_Border_Survey.pdf

From 2015. Seriously?

Current polling or surveys please.

I don't want a United Ireland if it means more taxes.

BluePlanet

jh79 wrote: »

Only 31% in favor if it means an increase in taxes.

Q9 in the link.

http://downloads.bbc.co.uk/tv/nolanshow/RTE_BBC_NI_Cross_Border_Survey.pdf

Not much difference when the question is if they'd be in favour of a UI if you paid LESS tax.
It just means British Protestant attitudes are over represented in the survey.

65535

A federal Ireland would be not before time.
Make the 6 counties into 9 and the 3 other provinces as well.
Have a local house as well as representation in a central house preferably outside of Dublin.
What is decided in Dublin is not always in the best interest of people outside of Dublin.

Bobeagleburger

jh79 wrote: »

Only 31% in favor if it means an increase in taxes.

Q9 in the link.

http://downloads.bbc.co.uk/tv/nolanshow/RTE_BBC_NI_Cross_Border_Survey.pdf

Might even be less if the real cost is explained. Most people want a UI that's for sure. However, most don't want it at any cost.

People have worked hard to hand over hard earned cash for an absolute basket case, which is overloaded with public service workers.

Said it before, the finances don't stack up for a UI, and likely won't for many decades.

blanch152

FrancieBrady wrote: »

What 'economic' nonsense?

I just said how I view a UI - as an investment.

You don't. That's fine, I'm not here to convince you as stated.

To invest you need money. There is no magic money tree to invest.

mehico

6 wrote: »

Might even be less if the real cost is explained. Most people want a UI that's for sure. However, most don't want it at any cost.

People have worked hard to hand over hard earned cash for an absolute basket case, which is overloaded with public service workers.

Said it before, the finances don't stack up for a UI, and likely won't for many decades.

What do you mean by basket case and why do you think this is the case?

blanch152

jm08 wrote: »

The Southern EU parliament Constituency (Munster + Kilkenny + Wexford) is the second wealthiest region in the EU (after Luxembourg). Eastern/Midlands/Dublin (mainly Leinster is 4th).
https://infogram.com/the-eus-richest-regions-1hmr6gj3orxo6nl





https://www.thesun.ie/news/6660274/munster-second-wealthiest-european-union/

That information is exactly why the EU will contribute next to nothing to a United Ireland. The likes of Estonia, Hungary, Poland, Latvia etc. will say that we are rich enough to pay for it ourselves. The French will look at our corporation tax and agree.

The idea of the EU contributing to a united Ireland is an idea of the 1980s when Ireland was poor and relied on handouts from the EU. That time has gone and isn't coming back, unless some terrorist group bombs us back to that stage.

jh79

BluePlanet wrote: »

Not much difference when the question is if they'd be in favour of a UI if you paid LESS tax.
It just means British Protestant attitudes are over represented in the survey.

The 31% was for the Republic only.

Only 11% in favor in NI if it meant more taxes.

mehico

blanch152 wrote: »

That information is exactly why the EU will contribute next to nothing to a United Ireland. The likes of Estonia, Hungary, Poland, Latvia etc. will say that we are rich enough to pay for it ourselves. The French will look at our corporation tax and agree.

The idea of the EU contributing to a united Ireland is an idea of the 1980s when Ireland was poor and relied on handouts from the EU. That time has gone and isn't coming back, unless some terrorist group bombs us back to that stage.

Not necessarily true, even the most prosperous EU states can receive funding for its poorer regions e.g. the European Regional Development Fund, EU Cohesion Fund and the European Social Fund.

blanch152

mehico wrote: »

Not necessarily true, even the most prosperous EU states can receive funding for its poorer regions e.g. the European Regional Development Fund, EU Cohesion Fund and the European Social Fund.

Ah yes, but they would not do anything to replace the €10 billion annual subsidy for current expenditure, and an expanded Ulster region to include all 9 counties would be unlikely to qualify for much of that expenditure. There would be a miniscule amount, which Northern Ireland would have got anyway if the UK had stayed in the EU.

There is no magic money tree in Brussels to pay for a united Ireland, no more than in Dublin, London or Washington. Unicorns and rainbows have a better chance of solid investment.

FrancieBrady

The EU has contributed billions to the development of Ireland when there was no huge benefit back to the other member states, it has contributed to northern Ireland itself and to the Peace Process...many many millions.

Yet here we have randomers on the internet asserting categorically that no funding will be available for a UI even though a UI would solve many many issues for the other EU nations.

Gas really to read the foot stomping assertiveness.

Bobeagleburger

mehico wrote: »

What do you mean by basket case and why do you think this is the case?

Heavily subsidised by London, and massive numbers in the public service.

That's before you've even scratch the surface of the sectarian nonsense.

ROI is streets ahead of them, and they'll drag us down, both economically and probably into the sectarian rubbish again.

Let them sort out their own mess first before we take it on.

We've moved on. They need to too,and stop living in the past.

blanch152

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The EU has contributed billions to the development of Ireland when there was no huge benefit back to the other member states, it has contributed to northern Ireland itself and to the Peace Process...many many millions.

Yet here we have randomers on the internet asserting categorically that no funding will be available for a UI even though a UI would solve many many issues for the other EU nations.

Gas really to read the foot stomping assertiveness.

Fact: There is no EU funding in place for a United Ireland
Fact: Ireland is one of the wealthier countries in the EU
Fact: Ireland does not qualify for much if any funding under regional development in the EU
Dream: The EU will pick up the bill for a united Ireland
Fact: There is no evidence for this
Reality: Why would poorer countries like Estonia, Latvia, Cyprus, Poland, Hungary, Lithuania etc. pick up the bill for a united Ireland?

Which bit of that can you produce evidence to disprove or even discredit?

blanch152

6 wrote: »

Heavily subsidised by London, and massive numbers in the public service.

That's before you've even scratch the surface of the sectarian nonsense.

ROI is streets ahead of them, and they'll drag us down, both economically and probably into the sectarian rubbish again.

Let them sort out their own mess first before we take it on.

We've moved on. They need to too,and stop living in the past.

I think that is the real lesson from the last couple of weeks of violence. Until the people of Northern Ireland learn to live with one another, there is no way we should contemplate a united Ireland. Put a border poll on the long finger until cross-community relations dramatically improve in the North.

FrancieBrady

blanch152 wrote: »

Fact: There is no EU funding in place for a United Ireland
Fact: Ireland is one of the wealthier countries in the EU
Fact: Ireland does not qualify for much if any funding under regional development in the EU
Dream: The EU will pick up the bill for a united Ireland
Fact: There is no evidence for this
Reality: Why would poorer countries like Estonia, Latvia, Cyprus, Poland, Hungary, Lithuania etc. pick up the bill for a united Ireland?

Which bit of that can you produce evidence to disprove or even discredit?

You provided 'evidence'? Must have missed that blanch. You dogmatically proclaimed though.

Evidence of anything you DID not provide.

blanch152

FrancieBrady wrote: »

You provided 'evidence'? Must have missed that blanch. You dogmatically proclaimed though.

Evidence of anything you DID not provide.

I said that there was no evidence that the EU would pick up the bill for a united Ireland. I also outlined the reality that poorer countries would not vote for such a package.

You are telling us something is there, let's call it a pink unicorn (i.e. EU funding for a united Ireland). I can't see it, nobody else can see it, yet you are asking us to provide evidence that pink unicorn's don't exist. Really? We have to prove pink unicorns don't exist?