United Ireland Poll - please vote

jh79 · 19-05-2021 4:06pm

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

BBC News

Ireland's Central Statistics Office (CSO) figures show the value of goods exports from Northern Ireland (NI) to the Republic of Ireland rose by 62% from 176m euros to 285m euros.

bbc.com/news

Unfortunately for partitionists/unionists we're heading towards a point where a UI will be, initially, just the Brits handing over the keys.

With a deficit of between 2 and 12bn depending on who you ask I wouldn't be getting the bunting out just yet!

Junkyard Tom · 19-05-2021 4:15pm

jh79 wrote: »

With a deficit of between 2 and 12bn depending on who you ask I wouldn't be getting the bunting out just yet!

I'm confident when the consequences of a paritionist/unionist 'win', you hope for are, juxtaposed to the costs/benefits of a UI then it'll be a resounding 'yes' for a UI.

jh79 · 19-05-2021 4:25pm

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

I'm confident when the consequences of a paritionist/unionist 'win', you hope for are, juxtaposed to the costs/benefits of a UI then it'll be a resounding 'yes' for a UI.

The consequences are just a figment of your imagination. And to be fair the best you could come up with was that the flag would no longer be appropriate. Not much of a threat.

Junkyard Tom · 19-05-2021 4:32pm

jh79 wrote: »

the flag would no longer be appropriate

You'd need to making a new country in my view, not just a new flag.

jh79 · 19-05-2021 4:39pm

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

You'd need to making a new country in my view, not just a new flag.

A "new" country. That's hilarious. Yeah , we'll knock the whole thing down and start from scratch!

Everything stays the same expect for the moaning of a few belligerents who can't accept democracy.

FrancieBrady · 19-05-2021 4:44pm

jh79 wrote: »

A "new" country. That's hilarious. Yeah , we'll knock the whole thing down and start from scratch!

Everything stays the same expect for the moaning of a few belligerents who can't accept democracy.

What 'democracy' was that?

jh79 · 19-05-2021 4:47pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

What 'democracy' was that?

JT is claiming some imaginary consequences if the Republic expresses it's democratic right to refuse unification.

Junkyard Tom · 19-05-2021 4:52pm

jh79 wrote: »

A "new" country. That's hilarious.

Things southern partitonists will be keeping after they get a majority to reject Irish Unification.

Flag x
Anthem x
Constitution x
Symbols x

Things southern partitonists will have to eschew

Political History
Anniversary of rising
Name of county
All artefacts, monuments and historic sites dedicated to patriots

That's just off the top of my head. Best of luck with preventing that making utter mess of your dream

FrancieBrady · 19-05-2021 4:54pm

jh79 wrote: »

JT is claiming some imaginary consequences if the Republic expresses it's democratic right to refuse unification.

Well of course there will be consequences for a state founded on our proclamation and constitution.
Do you think people will be allowed to pretend about all that?
Do you think all will stay the same politically? How could it.

jh79 · 19-05-2021 4:55pm

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

Things you'll be keeping after your 'win'.

Flag x
Anthem x
Constitution x
Symbols x

Things you'll have to eschew

Political History
Anniversary of rising
Name of county
All artefacts, monuments and historic sites dedicated to patriots

That's just off the top of my head. Best of luck with preventing that making utter mess of your dream

Flag doesn't have to change
National Anthem - don't care
Constitution's change all the time (8th Amendment etc), Name doesn't need to change.
It's still a Republic and still Ireland.
Not bothered about statues. Nice to look at as pieces of art and can still serve that function anyways.

jh79 · 19-05-2021 4:57pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Well of course there will be consequences for a state founded on our proclamation and constitution.
Do you think people will be allowed to pretend about all that?
Do you think all will stay the same politically? How could it.

Give me something tangible ? If it so obvious there is no need to be so vague.

Whatcar212 · 19-05-2021 4:57pm

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

Things you'll be keeping after your 'win'.

Flag x
Anthem x
Constitution x
Symbols x

Things you'll have to eschew

Political History
Anniversary of rising
Name of county
All artefacts, monuments and historic sites dedicated to patriots

That's just off the top of my head. Best of luck with preventing that making utter mess of your dream

So you're saying a minority of northern Ireland (or what is becoming a minority) will have more say that the other 6 or 7million people on the island?

Surely these things will be put to an all island vote and not changed to suit a minority? Even if those things were voted on by only those living in the north, it would be touch and go if these would change at all.

You are talking as if the unionist persuasion in the north is large enough to outvote the rest of the island (when in reality it can barely outvote nationalists in the north atm)

Junkyard Tom · 19-05-2021 5:00pm

jh79 wrote: »

Flag doesn't have to change
National Anthem - don't care
Constitution's change all the time (8th Amendment etc), Name doesn't need to change.
It's still a Republic and still Ireland.
Not bothered about statues. Nice to look at as pieces of art and can still serve that function anyways.

Lol, best of luck getting that by the public.

You didn't give this any thought at all, did you? I'm sure the likes of Gregory Campbell and Edwin Poots would become your greatest allies.

As I've written before, like Brexiters, you lot think if you get your way everything stays the same. It will like hell.

Junkyard Tom · 19-05-2021 5:03pm

Whatcar212 wrote: »

So you're saying a minority of northern Ireland (or what is becoming a minority) will have more say that the other 6 or 7million people on the island?

Surely these things will be put to an all island vote and not changed to suit a minority? Even if those things were voted on by only those living in the north, it would be touch and go if these would change at all.

You are talking as if the unionist persuasion in the north is large enough to outvote the rest of the island (when in reality it can barely outvote nationalists in the north atm)

No. I'm addressing a partitonist here who wants the public in the south to vote down a United Ireland. I'm trying to help him see the water he's swimming in, as it were.

jh79 · 19-05-2021 5:03pm

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

Lol, best of luck getting that by the public. You didn't give this any thought at all, did you? I'm sure the likes of Gregory Campbell and Edwin Poots would become your greatest allies.

As I've written before, like Brexiters, you lot think if you get your way everything stays the same. It will like hell.

Pure delusion that a belligerent minority would force the majority to change anything.

Whatcar212 · 19-05-2021 5:04pm

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

No. I'm addressing a partitonist here who wants the public in the south to vote down a United Ireland. I'm trying to help him see the water he's swimming in, as it were.

Fair do, I should have properly followed your quote

jh79 · 19-05-2021 5:06pm

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

No. I'm addressing a partitonist here who wants the public in the south to vote down a United Ireland. I'm trying to help him see the water he's swimming in, as it were.

A relatively successful Republic as it is now.

Junkyard Tom · 19-05-2021 5:07pm

jh79 wrote: »

Pure delusion that a belligerent minority would force the majority to change anything.

It would be some laugh you lot bringing a foreign dignitary to the Garden of Remembrance. As I said, you'll be selling a vision for a very different country.

Junkyard Tom · 19-05-2021 5:10pm

jh79 wrote: »

A relatively successful Republic as it is now.

Yes because of the very people who fought, lived, and died, for its independence. You know, the ones you'll have to ignore.

Is it starting to click?

FileNotFound · 19-05-2021 5:12pm

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

It would be some laugh you lot bringing a foreign dignitary to the Garden of Remembrance. As I said, you'll be selling a vision for a very different country.

You'll find labelling people who like their country as is isn't really going to get you anywhere.

No matter your feelings, the people will make the right choice for them and their country and that will be respected by everyone in the Republic.

"you lot" you means people who live in the South and don't have to suffer extreme opinions.

Responses are getting a bit sad, the time will come when a vote will be held and the democratic will of this nation will be upheld whatever that may be.

I know this concept can be anti thesis to some in the North.

Junkyard Tom · 19-05-2021 5:17pm

FileNotFound wrote: »

people who like their country

Ireland is one country, all 32 counties of it. You're speaking to the current 26 county state which resulted from partition of the country. The clue is in the description 'partition'. I'm from Cork.

FileNotFound · 19-05-2021 5:23pm

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

Ireland is one country, all 32 counties of it. You're speaking to the current 26 county state which resulted from partition of the country. The clue is in the description 'partition'. I'm from Cork.

You'll find that we are actually a 26 county country and the North belongs to this other nation.

Mad confusing I know, but you'll find a map with a line explaining it.

Then see they use different units and currency.

We might become one country one day - if the people of our nation and the North will it so.

I am a republican from a republic. Was born and raised in it. No plans to partition my nation.

Lots of Unionists down south are mad to unite with NI though

Junkyard Tom · 19-05-2021 5:35pm

FileNotFound wrote: »

We might become one country one day - if the people of our nation and the North will it so.

This is one country that was divided. What do you think happened in 1920's? Do you think it was Britain that was partitioned or some other country?

FrancieBrady · 19-05-2021 5:42pm

FileNotFound wrote: »

You'll find labelling people who like their country as is isn't really going to get you anywhere.

No matter your feelings, the people will make the right choice for them and their country and that will be respected by everyone in the Republic.

"you lot" you means people who live in the South and don't have to suffer extreme opinions.

Responses are getting a bit sad, the time will come when a vote will be held and the democratic will of this nation will be upheld whatever that may be.

I know this concept can be anti thesis to some in the North.

How many people 'like their country as is?'

I'd imagine that would be a tiny minority of people who can turn blind eyes.

There are some things we have gotten massively wrong since the foundation of the state that can be put right/started again in a UI.

Not many will, when presented with that as a plan, turn it down.

67% want a UI, the UI campaign is off to a flyer as soon as a BP is called with numbers like that.

jh79 · 19-05-2021 5:50pm

Jaysus this is hilarious. The imaginery carrot now replaced with the imaginery stick.

jh79 · 19-05-2021 5:51pm

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

Yes because of the very people who fought, lived, and died, for its independence. You know, the ones you'll have to ignore.

Is it starting to click?

So a gif is the best you can come up with.

Keep going it's great craic.

FrancieBrady · 19-05-2021 6:01pm

jh79 wrote: »

Jaysus this is hilarious. The imaginery carrot now replaced with the imaginery stick.

We get it jh79...people always get carried away with opinion poll results. It is not a good idea really.

You need to see that a UI will be far from a simple yes or no answer. Nor will be simply about how much jh79 has left in his pocket.

jh79 · 19-05-2021 6:04pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

We get it jh79...people always get carried away with opinion poll results. It is not a good idea really.

You need to see that a UI will be far from a simple yes or no answer. Nor will be simply about how much jh79 has left in his pocket.

I thought you were a democrat? Vote yes otherwise there will be serious consequences doesn't match the description.

FrancieBrady · 19-05-2021 6:12pm

jh79 wrote: »

I thought you were a democrat? Vote yes otherwise there will be serious consequences doesn't match the description.

Here we go. The predictable misrepresentation. Nobody said 'or else'' jh79.

Why not go all in and insinuate that people will be intimidated to vote yes by droves of white bearded men descending from the hills of Antrim.

Junkyard Tom · 19-05-2021 6:19pm

jh79 wrote: »

I thought you were a democrat? Vote yes otherwise there will be serious consequences doesn't match the description.

You want consequences-free outcomes. The world doesn't work that way.

You simply can't wish away that this country's foundations were built by people with a vision for a 32 county Republic, if you reject that then the foundations become shaky.

See, if you think about it, people in the north were victimised by partition, all of us were, but particularly them. So they vote to unify the country in the north, and you want people in the south to victimise people all over again by saying 'no' and expect everyone to just shrug and say 'ah well'? Who is being realistic here?

United Ireland Poll - please vote

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