Village Magazine hint at yet another new political party

awec

https://twitter.com/VillageMagIRE/status/1374274483570233348

Village Magazine seem to be doing some PR for someone behind the scenes (they're supposedly a serious publication, right?) who is feeding them info on what appears to be the disaffected wing of the Greens / former Greens (the watermelons).

Just what the left needs, another party to split the vote. We haven't had a new one in a while now.

Imagine all the brilliant policies contained within those lovely blue folders

L1011

We lost one single seat hard left party in a merger recently so clearly theres an opening to further split FPV...

Any chance they can go down a folder level or is it just a list of empty folders.

As someone looking for a new party to align to it is an absolutely daft tweet. A few publications would be nice.

James Brown

awec wrote: »

https://twitter.com/VillageMagIRE/status/1374274483570233348

Village Magazine seem to be doing some PR for someone behind the scenes (they're supposedly a serious publication, right?) who is feeding them info on what appears to be the disaffected wing of the Greens / former Greens (the watermelons).

Just what the left needs, another party to split the vote. We haven't had a new one in a while now.

Standing for something is an inconvenience the right don't suffer from.

FromADistance

I'd say Sinn Fein are quaking in their boots. Tells you all you need to know about the sorry state of politics in this country. Too many too many chiefs and not enough Indians comes to mind....

James Brown

FromADistance wrote: »

I'd say Sinn Fein are quaking in their boots. Tells you all you need to know about the sorry state of politics in this country. Too many too many chiefs and not enough Indians comes to mind....

Another right leaning SD type party is needed to give people an option outside of FF/FG IMO.

Eric Cartman

James Brown wrote: »

Another right leaning SD type party is needed to give people an option outside of FF/FG IMO.

We absolutely need something right of centre, a cut taxes cut spending party with no opinion on abortion.

Eric Cartman

Eric Cartman wrote: »

We absolutely need something right of centre, a cut taxes cut spending party with no opinion on abortion.

Yes

37 parties ran in the recent Dutch election, I can't quite wrap my head around that

awec

Eric Cartman wrote: »

We absolutely need something right of centre, a cut taxes cut spending party with no opinion on abortion.

A party cannot have no opinion on abortion if it wants to be taken seriously.

FromADistance

James Brown wrote: »

Another right leaning SD type party is needed to give people an option outside of FF/FG IMO.

The problem is that you'd mainly see disenfranchised people from those parties jump ship to any new type of 'SD right'. There's too many career politicans as it is.

Donald Trump

A red-green party?

They'll do great at the start, get on a roll, win all their preliminary matches, build their hopes up and throw it away in the final.

Mayo

Normal One

Mixing red and green gives brown....

For Forks Sake

Eric Cartman

awec wrote: »

A party cannot have no opinion on abortion if it wants to be taken seriously.

it can, being anti abortion is political suicide, but having no opinion on abortion is fine. Look at FF, MM held out till almost the end before supporting repeal, most candidates had no mention of it in their election literature and now they don't remark on it at all. A party being apathetic to abortion and allowing candidates to go whichever way, and being lucky enough not to have urban candidates who are pro-life is the best chance a party has to succeed.

L1011

Eric Cartman wrote: »

We absolutely need something right of centre, a cut taxes cut spending party with no opinion on abortion.

Considering most of the early base for such a party would be people leaving FF and FG, there would be an obvious tilt one way or the other on that issue immediately.

Eric Cartman

L1011 wrote: »

Considering most of the early base for such a party would be people leaving FF and FG, there would be an obvious tilt one way or the other on that issue immediately.

I think the outcomes, and the defined barriers to entry change things though. I absolutely would have given a thought to renua if they didn't play that card , know a fair few more who would have too. Its that which killed them.

FF and FG is littered with people who are anti abortion in themselves but would never deprive someone else , and those who are voraciously anti abortion but would never put themselves under that tent for fear of losing clients / family arguments / public hypocrisy etc.. FF and FG had the great image of plausible deniability ' I might be for or against, who knows' , renua lacked that.

Darc19

Has Paul Murphy split up with pbprisesocialistswhateveryou'rehavingyourself party already?

I'm gonna suggest that Paddy Cosgrove is going to be involved in a new party for the following reasons :

He has been channeling is inner Trump of late. He's not explicitly saying "drain the swamp" or "fake news media" but 90% of his tweets are on those messages.

He has been saying that as an elite, or "crony", he knows better than anyone what's going on and how to dismantle it.

He has been persistently attacking "establishment" individuals in the most personal and negative manner.

He has probably the biggest ego of any Irishman I've ever seen, is completly insincere and only cares about the glory of Paddy Cosgrove.

Whilst being about as nasty as anyone other than Trump can be on Twitter, he has also referred to change that is "coming"

I have no doubt his ambition would include leading up a country with an international tech hub.

So he's an Irish Trump, but recognising that rabid right wing rhetoric won't get you too far in this country, he has been focusing on populist left messaging. Which is at odds with his career to date.

He's also been bigging up The Village as the only source of reputable journalism in this country (though I find them a bit immature and a bit too biased and hyperbolic to consider them so)


So you've heard it here first. But I don't think it will be a success.

Eric Cartman

Deleted User wrote: »

I'm gonna suggest that Paddy Cosgrove is going to be involved in a new party for the following reasons :

He has been channeling is inner Trump of late. He's not explicitly saying "drain the swamp" or "fake news media" but 90% of his tweets are on those messages.

He has been saying that as an elite, or "crony", he knows better than anyone what's going on and how to dismantle it.

He has been persistently attacking "establishment" individuals in the most personal and negative manner.

He has probably the biggest ego of any Irishman I've ever seen, is completly insincere and only cares about the glory of Paddy Cosgrove.

Whilst being about as nasty as anyone other than Trump can be on Twitter, he has also referred to change that is "coming"

I have no doubt his ambition would include leading up a country with an international tech hub.

So he's an Irish Trump, but recognising that rabid right wing rhetoric won't get you too far in this country, he has been focusing on populist left messaging. Which is at odds with his career to date.

He's also been bigging up The Village as the only source of reputable journalism in this country (though I find them a bit immature and a bit too biased and hyperbolic to consider them so)


So you've heard it here first. But I don't think it will be a success.

Ive been betting he's one step away from holding a David icke level press conference and blaming the jews on something for a while now. He's definitely ramping up to that ol chestnut.

L1011

Anyone getting in to bed politically with Cosgrave wouldn't enjoy it. If you expect the Taoiseach to try fix your wifi, you're likely to try delegate absolutely everything else too.

The last, entirely different in character but similar in so far as being an "internet celebrity", erm, internet celebrity to try get anywhere was Dylan Haskins who had a huge campaign and flopped entirely. But that was as an Independent, not a party basis.

awec

Funnily enough I was thinking of Paddy Cosgrave too. He has been doing some odd advertising on Facebook recently, paid for by himself. All political, attacking the government. From a business point of view it's fairly stupid, there has to be another angle and this could be it.

He's a truly insufferable character.

Real Donald Trump

Deleted User wrote: »

I'm gonna suggest that Paddy Cosgrove is going to be involved in a new party for the following reasons :

He has been channeling is inner Trump of late. He's not explicitly saying "drain the swamp" or "fake news media" but 90% of his tweets are on those messages.

He has been saying that as an elite, or "crony", he knows better than anyone what's going on and how to dismantle it.

He has been persistently attacking "establishment" individuals in the most personal and negative manner.

He has probably the biggest ego of any Irishman I've ever seen, is completly insincere and only cares about the glory of Paddy Cosgrove.

Whilst being about as nasty as anyone other than Trump can be on Twitter, he has also referred to change that is "coming"

I have no doubt his ambition would include leading up a country with an international tech hub.

So he's an Irish Trump, but recognising that rabid right wing rhetoric won't get you too far in this country, he has been focusing on populist left messaging. Which is at odds with his career to date.

He's also been bigging up The Village as the only source of reputable journalism in this country (though I find them a bit immature and a bit too biased and hyperbolic to consider them so)


So you've heard it here first. But I don't think it will be a success.

Doubt it, he's part of the Zero Covid bunch, who worships St Jacinda

Bubbaclaus

I've nothing to add apart from agree with the statements below.

[Deleted User] wrote: »

He has probably the biggest ego of any Irishman I've ever seen, is completly insincere and only cares about the glory of Paddy Cosgrove.

awec wrote: »

He's a truly insufferable character.

Beechwoodspark

About 5 years ago there was a phase of a few weeks where I was in the company of paddy cosgrave in social situations. (Mutual friends). I had a few conversations with him but I spent most of the time just observing.

Very smart guy when it comes to tech

BUT - absolutely tone deaf when it came to social issues, politics or even simple interactions with “ordinary people”.

He lives in a privileged bubble and has no “common sense” from what I could see.

Beechwoodspark

He’d say things like “AI is amazing. in 10 years time robots will be doing most of the jobs people do now, we will have so much leisure time”

People would just nod and smile then get back to talking about the weekends football etc

Eric Cartman

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

About 5 years ago there was a phase of a few weeks where I was in the company of paddy cosgrave in social situations. (Mutual friends). I had a few conversations with him but I spent most of the time just observing.

Very smart guy when it comes to tech

BUT - absolutely tone deaf when it came to social issues, politics or even simple interactions with “ordinary people”.

He lives in a privileged bubble and has no “common sense” from what I could see.

We all know what you're trying to say, he definitely is.

awec

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

About 5 years ago there was a phase of a few weeks where I was in the company of paddy cosgrave in social situations. (Mutual friends). I had a few conversations with him but I spent most of the time just observing.

Very smart guy when it comes to tech

BUT - absolutely tone deaf when it came to social issues, politics or even simple interactions with “ordinary people”.

He lives in a privileged bubble and has no “common sense” from what I could see.

He's a total bluffer when it comes to tech. I remember him explaining on twitter how he "hacked" the password for the Varadkar leak PDF, he made it sound very impressive when in reality it was very rudimentary stuff. His "fancy AI" (machine learning) for house prices that he wouldn't release for verification (cause it was bollocks). He's full of it.

He likes to market himself as a tech CEO cause that's trendier and more impressive than being an event planner.

Feisar

Any chance it’s a FF/FG ploy to keep the left split?

Dyr

awec wrote: »

He's a total bluffer when it comes to tech. I remember him explaining on twitter how he "hacked" the password for the Varadkar leak PDF, he made it sound very impressive when in reality it was very rudimentary stuff. His "fancy AI" (machine learning) for house prices that he wouldn't release for verification (cause it was bollocks). He's full of it.

He likes to market himself as a tech CEO cause that's trendier and more impressive than being an event planner.

Dealt with the guy a fair bit years back, he's clueless about technology, he's not even much of an event planner. What he is very good at is hype and networking. He's a marketer

Cant see the likes of Murphy or any ultra greens signing up with him.