Covid 19 Part XXXIV-249,437 ROI(4,906 deaths) 120,195 NI (2,145 deaths)(01/05)Read OP

is_that_so

is_that_so wrote: »

She's talked about it quite a few times.
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/age-the-defining-factor-in-covid-19-risk-not-profession-1.4525022

It mirrors research out of the UK that I have heard Whitty talk about. That once people in front line professions jave been taken out as have been vaccinated (and they will still have priority in the schedule) the remainder are at no additional risk, and age rather than occupation becomes the primary risk factor

Arghus

GooglePlus wrote: »

Yeah, the Orwellian circle jerking among some in here is the saddest thing I've seen. It's the main reason I'm looking forward to things opening up again, so they can look back and see how thick they were.

The signal to noise ratio in the thread and the forum generally was getting too high, so I decided it wasn't really worth the close attention any longer.

Eod100

2 arrested after refusing to quarantine. https://m.independent.ie/news/two-women-arrested-after-refusing-to-go-to-quarantine-hotel-when-returning-from-dubai-cosmetic-surgery-trip-40269485.html

Beechwoodspark

What’s all this about varadkar and Coveney blocking eu countries from being included on the quarantine list??

AxleAddict

Eod100 wrote: »

2 arrested after refusing to quarantine. https://m.independent.ie/news/two-women-arrested-after-refusing-to-go-to-quarantine-hotel-when-returning-from-dubai-cosmetic-surgery-trip-40269485.html

Interesting, I thought they wouldn't even have been able to board the aircraft in the first place without evidence of the negative PCR test - perhaps policies vary from airline to airline.

iamwhoiam

h2005 wrote: »

What is it though? I’m not questioning anyone’s qualifications. I’d like to see what the decision is based on though.

In simple terms what Karina Butler said that the highest risk of dying from Covid is age not occupation
So they chose the highest risk of dying groups based on age not occupation

is_that_so

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

What’s all this about varadkar and Coveney blocking eu countries from being included on the quarantine list??

Legal issues - mainly freedom of movement. I think there's also a sense of the DoH (and Donnelly) doing a solo run on this.

Eod100

AxleAddict wrote: »

Interesting, I thought they wouldn't even have been able to board the aircraft in the first place without evidence of the negative PCR test - perhaps policies vary from airline to airline.

They could have had negative but with Dubai had to do mhq anyway which they were refusing.

brookers

Itssoeasy wrote: »

I walked out of the room and waited and came back in and RTÉ were doing a depressing tour of the European continent. Can they stop for even a day ?

Remember the outcry because we had figures on Christmas Day, so many people giving out because they wanted to spend the day without hearing about the figures. They just wanted one day...........to spend with family, with granny and not think about Covid, silly old George Lee, sure he only talking rubbish and as for Nphet, did you know they inflate figures to scare us and they are all dictators and want to rule us and couldn't give a toss whether you get Covid or not. They just doing it because they want to be on the telly. Ah Im going to turn the TV off, enough.....

Qrt

AxleAddict wrote: »

Interesting, I thought they wouldn't even have been able to board the aircraft in the first place without evidence of the negative PCR test - perhaps policies vary from airline to airline.

They may well have had negative tests, but the UAE is on the Category 2 list, i.e. off to the hotel you go.

SSeanSS

Qrt wrote: »

They may well have had negative tests, but the UAE is on the Category 2 list, i.e. off to the hotel you go.

Wonder when they’ll be removed from list. Good progress on vaccine rollout there. Cases are still high but I would expect them to reduce over next few weeks. Not sure if we were told what metric is needed for a country to come off list

FintanMcluskey

SSeanSS wrote: »

Wonder when they’ll be removed from list. Good progress on vaccine rollout there. Cases are still high but I would suspect them to reduce over next few weeks. Not sure if we were told what metric is needed for a country to come off list

If Boris decided it’s off the list for the UK it’s likely going to be off the list for Ireland

FintanMcluskey

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

If Boris decided it’s off the list for the UK it’s likely going to be off the list for Ireland

And it looks like that is based on vaccinations

timsey tiger

is_that_so wrote: »

Legal issues - mainly freedom of movement. I think there's also a sense of the DoH (and Donnelly) doing a solo run on this.

aka bullshyte, Germany had no problems closing its borders. Is Austria some sort of lesser EU country that can be quarantined without the same legal issues? If they don't quarantine France with its caseload, variant profile and numbers traveling here. How could anybody argue there is any merit quarantining people from anywhere. Israel is on the list ffs.

Eod100

Eod100 wrote: »

2 arrested after refusing to quarantine. https://m.independent.ie/news/two-women-arrested-after-refusing-to-go-to-quarantine-hotel-when-returning-from-dubai-cosmetic-surgery-trip-40269485.html

Pair of idiots.

Marcusm

Gael23 wrote: »

I’m not in favour if these walk in centres. I think it’s a ploy by NPHET to keep case numbers high

While this post might outwardly seem to have a fair bit of “tin hat” to it, the fact is that Ireland has jumped from under 100k tests per week to 125k tests per week with the absolute number of positive tests remaining static. Whether that is a deliberate strategy or not, it does point to a level of incompatibility within the data where absolute numbers are used as the headline.

Marcusm

Deleted User wrote: »

Pair of idiots.

Dochas Centre versus Crowne Plaza; I know which I would pick!

FintanMcluskey

Marcusm wrote: »

While this post might outwardly seem to have a fair bit of “tin hat” to it, the fact is that Ireland has jumped from under 100k tests per week to 125k tests per week with the absolute number of positive tests remaining static. Whether that is a deliberate strategy or not, it does point to a level of incompatibility within the data where absolute numbers are used as the headline.

Exactly.

We’ve increased the amount of tests carried out dramatically and are now using the extra cases found as evidence of a possible “4th wave”.

seamus

Eod100 wrote: »

2 arrested after refusing to quarantine. https://m.independent.ie/news/two-women-arrested-after-refusing-to-go-to-quarantine-hotel-when-returning-from-dubai-cosmetic-surgery-trip-40269485.html

Stink of entitlement off this pair.

CoronaBlocker

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

Not a 'trained journalist? What an odd thing to say, most of the great journalists were never 'trained' as such

Not qualified then, how's that?
Are you calling George Lee a great journalist? Is that what's happening here?!

odyssey06

seamus wrote: »

Stink of entitlement off this pair.

Its just a pity theres nowhere to deport them to... but who else would them.

Happydays2020

seamus wrote: »

Stink of entitlement off this pair.

Perhaps but that legislation is going to be challenged at some point.

FintanMcluskey

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Exactly.

We’ve increased the amount of tests carried out dramatically and are now using the extra cases found as evidence of a possible “4th wave”.

But why isn't there anyone in NPHET who sees that that's what happening?

And people are surprised that millions of people around the world are thinking x y and z.

shtpEdthePlum

Itssoeasy wrote: »

I walked out of the room and waited and came back in and RTÉ were doing a depressing tour of the European continent. Can they stop for even a day ?

Time to turn it off.

Eod100

Marcusm wrote: »

While this post might outwardly seem to have a fair bit of “tin hat” to it, the fact is that Ireland has jumped from under 100k tests per week to 125k tests per week with the absolute number of positive tests remaining static. Whether that is a deliberate strategy or not, it does point to a level of incompatibility within the data where absolute numbers are used as the headline.

Catching asymptomatic cases breaks chains of transmission though. The people they infect could well have symptoms and test positive after. Its a sensible strategy and gives more accurate of how many cases are in community.

Roger_007

Marcusm wrote: »

While this post might outwardly seem to have a fair bit of “tin hat” to it, the fact is that Ireland has jumped from under 100k tests per week to 125k tests per week with the absolute number of positive tests remaining static. Whether that is a deliberate strategy or not, it does point to a level of incompatibility within the data where absolute numbers are used as the headline.

Statistics is a science but the use of statistics is an art. You have to look very closely at the way words are used in the presentation of data. Absolute numbers and percentages are frequently interchanged. Anecdotes and scientifically proven facts are also mixed together in order to get a message across.
Maybe it is justified to play around with data if the right message gets across in the end.

FintanMcluskey

Roger_007 wrote: »

Statistics is a science but the use of statistics is an art. You have to look very closely at the way words are used in the presentation of data. Absolute numbers and percentages are frequently interchanged. Anecdotes and scientifically proven facts are also mixed together in order to get a message across.
Maybe it is justified to play around with data if the right message gets across in the end.

It’s getting to the stage where only those who don’t need to repeatedly hear the message are the only ones listening, and it’s causing them unnecessary worry and lack of hope.

jackboy

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Exactly.

We’ve increased the amount of tests carried out dramatically and are now using the extra cases found as evidence of a possible “4th wave”.

If that is intentionally being done then that game will only work for the short term. As levels of infection drop the amount of tests required to keep positive numbers high would be unsustainable.

GooglePlus

Eod100 wrote: »

Catching asymptomatic cases breaks chains of transmission though. The people they infect could well have symptoms and test positive after. Its a sensible strategy and gives more accurate of how many cases are in community.

No no, it's NPHET and the HSE wanting to increase case loads because you know, it makes it look like they're doing their job well. It's similar to a butcher spreading ecoli throughout their food, it makes no sense but some people here just can't accept that things are as they are, theres always some mad theory from someone.

FintanMcluskey

GooglePlus wrote: »

No no, it's NPHET and the HSE wanting to increase case loads (not possible, if they exist

It’s evidence that NPHET and HSE are given unlimited resources to assist with the narrow remit they were given which was to only concern themselves with Covid.

I’d prefer it they allocated extra resources, resources which were never available before for some reason, to cancer detection and other health issues.

Might help deal with the catastrophe coming down the tracks