Covid 19 Part XXXIV-249,437 ROI(4,906 deaths) 120,195 NI (2,145 deaths)(01/05)Read OP

TheDoctor

What variants are currently not responsive to vaccines?

funnydoggy

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Quite frankly the emerging more powerful variants which seem less responsive to current vaccines are causing me concern. I hate to think about it, but I believe it will a couple of years before we are back to near normal, as vaccines and vaccination system are tweaked. I imagine foreign travel and indoor pubs are something which will be last to return to default.

I agree with your last sentence but the first part is a non issue. Any vaccination is a good vaccination and currently, all variants are grand vaccine wise. Over time if and only if one of them becomes particularly problematic, the vaccines will be tweaked to suit, and the mRNA tech will make this super simple. They're also developing a variant proof vaccine too which is going through trials currently.

titan18

See a story going around but Martin breaking restrictions to have an indoor event back in December honouring his father. Video of him joking about social distancing and telling someone to take off their mask.

Another golfgate maybe.

ninebeanrows

titan18 wrote: »

See a story going around but Martin breaking restrictions to have an indoor event back in December honouring his father. Video of him joking about social distancing and telling someone to take off their mask.

Another golfgate maybe.

Complete over blown story but people desperate to knock him. Pretty sad to see the same people trying to bring down certain people. Pathetic really.

I am no big fan of MM but this story is one of the most pathetic i have seen and illustrates how ridiculous things have went in this country.

All funded by Paddy Cosgrave probably.

theballz

This entire covid thing is a complete pisstake at this stage.

The economy needs to crack on and young peoples mental health needs to come into consideration moreso than it already is.

Ring fence the at risk and vulnerable. The world needs to get on with things now. It’s abit much at this stage

FFVII

https://www.ontheditch.com/taoiseach-micheal-martin-breached-public-health-guidelines-at-prohibited-event-honouring-his-father/

FintanMcluskey

TheDoctor wrote: »

What variants are currently not responsive to vaccines?

I can’t believe someone from NPHET is implying this utter nonsense.

People’s confidence in vaccines and wellbeing is being destroyed by these absolute cretins

paddyisreal

ninebeanrows wrote: »

Complete over blown story but people desperate to knock him. Pretty sad to see the same people trying to bring down certain people. Pathetic really.

I am no big fan of MM but this story is one of the most pathetic i have seen and illustrates how ridiculous things have went in this country.

All funded by Paddy Cosgrave probably.

Rubbish, the instructions/restrictions at the time were for no indoor meetings. He broke the rules to attend a hardly essential indoor meeting, he is in trouble.

funnydoggy

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

I can’t believe someone from NPHET is implying this utter nonsense.

People’s confidence in vaccines and wellbeing is being destroyed by these absolute cretins

Yep. She needs to be reeled in, told to shut up and stop sowing fear and doubt in these vaccines.

titan18

ninebeanrows wrote: »

Complete over blown story but people desperate to knock him. Pretty sad to see the same people trying to bring down certain people. Pathetic really.

I am no big fan of MM but this story is one of the most pathetic i have seen and illustrates how ridiculous things have went in this country.

All funded by Paddy Cosgrave probably.

Tbf we couldn't do the same thing at the time and he decided he could. He should be leading by example rather than flouting the rules like that.

cheezums

FFVII wrote: »

https://www.ontheditch.com/taoiseach-micheal-martin-breached-public-health-guidelines-at-prohibited-event-honouring-his-father/

****ing hell. that's quite a bit worse than golfgate. this is gonna blow up.

Away With The Fairies

FFVII wrote: »

https://www.ontheditch.com/taoiseach-micheal-martin-breached-public-health-guidelines-at-prohibited-event-honouring-his-father/

Honouring his father. Lovely... While some large families has to choose who attends their family member's funeral.

carveone

TanookiMario wrote: »

I do wonder how much the crowd who work from home in their cushy office jobs and drive to the supermarket once or twice a week actually understand how little enforcement is actually going on out there. Especially in Dublin.

You're damn right. The longer level 5 has dragged on, the more people are ignoring it. I'm a fool keeping to the rules, but then I'm pretty introverted anyway with older parents that I visit.

Kids have ignored it totally for months - they're hanging out in my local park groups of 50 and 60. With parents driving in to pick them up! Right now there's an organised adult football match going on in the same park with a large number of the cars' plates being out of county (not sure why that is). I mean people don't turn up in county colours just by chance.

The 5 km thing is right out the window - there's droves of people driving out to Howth, Malahide and Portmarnock given the weather in the last week. Traffic is mental (ie: back to normal!).

And I'm in an area where almost everyone wears a mask, in the local Dunnes at least. In the local Spar, it's not too bad - I asked the guy behind the counter and he says people without masks usually mumble some sort of stupid excuse, he doesn't even listen any more.

And I'm living in an area which is probably a bit more complaint, law wise. God knows what's going on in other areas.

People are getting all shouty about the Beacon and other incidents; meanwhile the Irish Times points out that there's a massive mismatch between the HSE's 220,000 vaccinated "front line" workers and the number of people who are actually front line workers. That means that while the red tops are screaming about private schools and a few 10s of doses, there could be tens of thousands of people who've skipped the queue.

I feel like a twat even typing any of this. It's just complaining into a void

funnydoggy

funnydoggy wrote: »

I agree with your last sentence but the first part is a non issue. Any vaccination is a good vaccination and currently, all variants are grand vaccine wise. Over time if and only if one of them becomes particularly problematic, the vaccines will be tweaked to suit, and the mRNA tech will make this super simple. They're also developing a variant proof vaccine too which is going through trials currently.

Encouraging to learn.

funnydoggy

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Encouraging to learn.

I'm a layman so don't take my voice as authority but I'm parroting stuff I've learned. Hope it helps though

Strumms

theballz wrote: »

This entire covid thing is a complete pisstake at this stage.

The economy needs to crack on and young peoples mental health needs to come into consideration moreso than it already is.

Ring fence the at risk and vulnerable. The world needs to get on with things now. It’s abit much at this stage

young people and their mental health ? right they haven’t or a lot of them haven’t given a rats about anybody else’s wellbeing going by their behaviors... so lock other up or ‘ring fence ‘ and let them get on with it ? NO.

simply sanction them with fines and or jail time. Make them play their part, teach them responsibility and what it means to be a ‘team player’... it might be of value to them and indeed society later in life when they settle down and learn a bit of cop on, understanding, that it’s not ALL about them.

funnydoggy

funnydoggy wrote: »

I'm a layman so don't take my voice as authority but I'm parroting stuff I've learned. Hope it helps though

It's the hope being pulled away like a rug from under my feet that gets me every time. I am a realist, but I always need hope too.

Turtwig

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Quite frankly the emerging more powerful variants which seem less responsive to current vaccines are causing me concern. I hate to think about it, but I believe it will a couple of years before we are back to near normal, as vaccines and vaccination system are tweaked. I imagine foreign travel and indoor pubs are something which will be last to return to default.

Nobody can predict how the future will go. All evidence we have so far suggests the vaccines prevent death and severe illness for all the known variants. Vaccines are our way out but we will have to be vigilant.

Here's a decent summary read
https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg24933283-600-as-coronavirus-variants-evolve-how-much-more-dangerous-can-they-get/

Relevant quote :

While it is often said that viruses evolve to become less deadly, there is no reason to think this will be the case with SARS-CoV-2...

The good news is that the vaccines work even better than hoped and that the coronavirus is unlikely to be able to completely evade vaccine protection any time soon. As more people acquire immunity, many experts still believe that the virus could turn into just another cold virus, like the existing human coronaviruses.

But with most people on the planet yet to be vaccinated, we are a long way from that point and the vaccines may require tweaking more than once to remain effective. “This game of evolutionary to and fro with the virus is going to go a few more rounds yet,” says Grove.

Read more: https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg24933283-600-as-coronavirus-variants-evolve-how-much-more-dangerous-can-they-get/#ixzz6qygNscF9

Qrt

I have a feeling it’ll be like measles, outbreaks in places but most people will have been vaccinated to stop death. Obviously I doubt there’ll be a vaccine for infants to last years any time soon but one can hope.

Also, does the above poster know that you can have cars with different counties on the reg plates? Easily half of my estate have different counties on their cars.

Tyrone212

An assistant professor of virology at UCD has said there are now Covid-19 variants being detected in Ireland through community transmission, unrelated to travel.

Speaking on RTÉ's Saturday with Katie Hannon, Dr Gerald Barry said that at present 32 cases of the variant first identified in South African have been confirmed in Ireland, while 12 cases of P1 and 14 cases of P2 – both of which were first identified in Brazil – have also been confirmed.

Dr Barry said that while "some" of these cases are as a result of travel, others were as a result of community transmission.

"That suggests that these variants are circulating in the community," he said.

Dr Barry added that given only a small fraction of cases are being sequenced every week, these numbers were "probably not even a full reflection", and were lower than the actual number in circulation.

"It is concerning that these are now beginning to spread, and we can’t really, or don’t seem to be able to, track where they’re coming from," he said.

Dr Barry said the worry with the variants was twofold, in that the efficacy of current vaccines in use "might not be as good" with other variants. He said the variants in future "could pose a challenge".

He said data coming from Brazil showed the P1 variant spreads faster than the B117 variant, first identified in the UK, and showed that the P1 was three-times more virulent.

funnydoggy

There are thousands of variants and none of them pose a threat yet. Our vaccines are amazing and have high efficacy. We'll be grand. These health experts need to stop scaring people.

hmmm

funnydoggy wrote: »

There are thousands of variants and none of them pose a threat yet. Our vaccines are amazing and have high efficacy. We'll be grand. These health experts need to stop scaring people.

I suppose none of what they say is wrong, but RTE are giving too much prominence to it I think. If I'm a professor of dangerous viruses I'm going to naturally worry about dangerous viruses, and if anyone asks me what could happen I'll tell them about dangerous viruses and how dangerous those viruses could be.

What's missing is the Fauci type person over here who explains that it is the job of professors of dangerous viruses to worry about dangerous viruses, but it's the job of people like him to find that balance between worrying about dangerous viruses and how we can go about our normal lives.

Yes there are variants, yes they reduce vaccine effectiveness, yes we could get worse ones in the future, yes we need to keep the restrictions going until we have a mass of people vaccinated, but after that point most of us go back to normality while professors of dangerous viruses go on worrying about the next dangerous virus.

Turtwig

funnydoggy wrote: »

There are thousands of variants and none of them pose a threat yet. Our vaccines are amazing and have high efficacy. We'll be grand. These health experts need to stop scaring people.

The point is if a variant does come along that really is a threat we appear to be very vulnerable. We need to be able to contain their spread. Evidence to date suggests we can't.

gctest50

funnydoggy wrote: »

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These health experts need to stop scaring people.

They are just stating what they know/are asked
The country is like a giant creche
People need to man the f*ck up. This can kill you - be a little bit careful & the vaccines may fail yet

Faugheen

funnydoggy wrote: »

There are thousands of variants and none of them pose a threat yet. Our vaccines are amazing and have high efficacy. We'll be grand. These health experts need to stop scaring people.

They are stating facts.

Maybe people who haven’t a clue what they’re talking about need to listen instead of dismissing it.

funnydoggy

hmmm wrote: »

I suppose none of what they say is wrong, but RTE are giving too much prominence to it I think. If I'm a professor of dangerous viruses I'm going to naturally worry about dangerous viruses, and if anyone asks me what could happen I'll tell them about dangerous viruses and how dangerous those viruses could be.

What's missing is the Fauci type person over here who explains that it is the job of professors of dangerous viruses to worry about dangerous viruses, but it's the job of people like him to find that balance between worrying about dangerous viruses and how we can go about our normal lives.

Yes there are variants, yes they reduce vaccine effectiveness, yes we could get worse ones in the future, yes we need to keep the restrictions going until we have a mass of people vaccinated, but after that point most of us go back to normality while professors of dangerous viruses go on worrying about the next dangerous virus.

100% agreed with you

For what it's worth, this stuff doesn't scare me. The majority of people out there aren't on boards and do not take these things as they come. The headlines will probably roll with this and that's what people will read.

Mac_Lad71

'community transmission' = we don't have a clue where it originated because our tracing system is crap.

hmmm

Turtwig wrote: »

The point is if a variant does come along that really is a threat we appear to be very vulnerable. We need to be able to contain their spread. Evidence to date suggests we can't.

Agreed however if you look at the RTE reports today they're not balanced. If I wasn't following developments with vaccines, which is the case for most people, there'll be a genuine fear that these new variants will somehow evade them. Anyone who has been fully vaccinated by now should not be living in fear in my opinion (but should be taking a bit of extra care to not expose themselves to excessive risk).

I think reporting about how new variants are spreading should be balanced with a comment that people should keep getting vaccinated and get on with their lives.

PmMeUrDogs

532 positive swabs, 3.21% positivity on 16,562 tests.
7 day test positivity is 3.2%.

jhegarty

The tide looks to be turning in the correct direction.