Covid 19 Part XXXIV-249,437 ROI(4,906 deaths) 120,195 NI (2,145 deaths)(01/05)Read OP

SnuggyBear

Ger Roe wrote: »

They never said that masks didn't work. In the early days they said that the data about their ineffectiveness was inconclusive .... and it was at the time. Many of the world health agencies faced the same issue and adopted the same approach.

They also never said that vaccines will end the pandemic - they are an aid in the overall effort to reduce disease transmission.

Na they said masks make people complacent

jhegarty

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0404/1207842-covid19-ireland/

The latest figures show the number of people in hospital with Covid-19 remains stable at 242 this morning.

There were eight further patients admitted to hospital with the virus over the past 24 hours and during that same period six patients were discharged. 1111

covidrelease

SnuggyBear wrote: »

Na they said masks make people complacent

I've seen this so many times, forgot a mask, oh here use mine, we are only nipping into a coffee shop for a takeaway.

Or forgot a mask, root around the car for one.

Visiting an elderly relative, sure wear a mask it will be fine.

The travelling barber wears his mask, we can all pretend we are safe.

It's just box ticking.

FintanMcluskey

jhegarty wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0404/1207842-covid19-ireland/

The latest figures show the number of people in hospital with Covid-19 remains stable at 242 this morning.

There were eight further patients admitted to hospital with the virus over the past 24 hours and during that same period six patients were discharged. 1111

I understood no discharges occur over a bank holiday weekend

Huge drop expected Tuesday morning

TheDoctor

Hospital numbers at 8pm last night

Total 237 (up from 232 previous night)
ICU 61 (up from 60 previous night)


Previous Saturday
Total 319
ICU 65


Good numbers for a Saturday.

h2005

jhegarty wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0404/1207842-covid19-ireland/

The latest figures show the number of people in hospital with Covid-19 remains stable at 242 this morning.

There were eight further patients admitted to hospital with the virus over the past 24 hours and during that same period six patients were discharged. 1111

Stable as it’s the weekend but the numbers are steadily declining.

Good to see that there is some poll data out there now to put to bed this ridiculous assertion by many that it’s only a small minority that are breaking the rules, and the that the overwhelming majority support or even want stricter restrictions

podgeandrodge

Golfman64 wrote: »

We must be careful not to oversell the impact of vaccines
via The Irish Times
https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/we-must-be-careful-not-to-oversell-the-impact-of-vaccines-1.4527275

Wow, just wow. What a terrible piece written by a member of NPHET. As I’ve said before, they should now be disbanded and refreshed with a mixed group covering all areas of society from health to the economy. In their current guise, they have failed time and again to come up with any solution beyond a hard lockdown and despite having over a year to do so they can offer very little as an alternate solution. They are also wildly out of touch with reality and have completely ‘lost the room’.

Taking some specific examples from this article;

She say that vaccines will not make the pandemic end - well actually recent data out of Israel, UK and US suggest that they all provide almost 100% protection against hospitalisation and death for all known variants. Technically the pandemic may not end but life can go back to normal - she infers that it can’t.

She suggests that there is very little evidence on the effects of transmission by the vaccine. In fact there is significant and growing evidence to suggest they prevent transmission.

She uses Chile as an example of a country with allegedly 50% of the pop vaccinated where they had to introduce more restrictions. Talk about picking the narrative to suit your argument. The UK, Israel and the US have all been able to significantly reduce restrictions at a similar progress of vaccination.

She applauds our evidence based approach to easing restrictions - is she referring to the non existent evidence that golf and tennis cause Covid to spread, the non existent evidence that being one of the only countries in the world to close construction prevents spread, the non existent evidence that click/collect services create spread. Perhaps someone should also give them some actual evidence of the positive effects these types of things will have on people’s well being, the economy and overall buy in to other restrictions!

She tells us that we need to be smart and creative over the next few months - hahaha, NPHET would’nt know smart or creative if it jumped up and slapped them in the face - they have failed to apply any smart thinking or creative solutions to our problems for over a year now!!

Of course, she uses her platform for a pop at international travel. As a paid public servant, economic matters are of no concern to her!

She signs off with ‘it’s not rocket science’ - what a condescending finish as if we should all be able to do it all the time - site don’t worry about the monumental affects on people’s livelihoods, the fact that many people have lost their jobs, their careers and will suffer longer than most other European countries because of the advice of an incompetent and dysfunctional NPHET combined with a spineless government.

We will be in this mess for longer than we need to, with a higher debt than is necessary with a significantly damaged international reputation for business and tourism if we don’t do something now to change course.

She doesn't mention this bit (from the authors):

"This analysis was done before early real-world data from vaccination rollout studies."

And a lot of their commentary is not as frightening as she makes out. It's mathematical modelling too - weren't there some crazy predictions from models last year?


"Dr Sam Moore, from University of Warwick, UK, says “We’re rapidly learning more about vaccine efficacy as vaccination programmes are rolled out across the world. Since we conducted this study, new evidence suggests there may be a higher level of protection against severe disease offered by both the Pfizer-BioNTech and Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccines than the level we assumed. This may reduce the size of future hospital admissions and deaths we estimated, making future waves more manageable for the health service. As for protection against infection, some preliminary findings have suggested that the vaccine does offer a level of protection against infection, but the exact level of protection offered by vaccines is still unclear. "

"The authors consider abrupt releases of some measures (from current restrictions to a situation comparable to September 2020) with a vaccine that offers 85% protection against infection and calculate the number of deaths from Jan 2021 until January 2024. A partial release in February 2021 was estimated to lead to 130,100 deaths by January 2024, whereas partial release in April 2021 lowers this to 61,400 deaths and partial release in June 2021 to 53,900 deaths (see Table 1), highlighting the impact of the vaccination programme rollout. It should be noted that these estimates all include the 49,300 deaths that have already occurred this year."

h2005

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Good to see that there is some poll data out there now to put to bed this ridiculous assertion by many that it’s only a small minority that are breaking the rules, and the that the overwhelming majority support or even want stricter restrictions

Any link to it?

covidrelease

h2005 wrote: »

Any link to it?

Indo

covidrelease

Deleted User wrote: »

Good to see that there is some poll data out there now to put to bed this ridiculous assertion by many that it’s only a small minority that are breaking the rules, and the that the overwhelming majority support or even want stricter restrictions

Just about everybody I know broke restrictions this weekend.

eagle eye

FintanMcluskey wrote:

I understood no discharges occur over a bank holiday weekend

Huge drop expected Tuesday morning

How do you come to this conclusion when we've had over 1800 new cases in the three reported days of April?

Maxface

Happy Easter to all. Another date in the calender that brings all this home. Those that have passed and those we long to meet. I long for the end of this and to never talk about it again bar maybe seeing it on reeling in the years. Whatever your at today, keep safe.

Sweet.Science

eagle eye wrote: »

How do you come to this conclusion when we've had over 1800 new cases in the three reported days of April?

Are you serious ?

zuutroy

eagle eye wrote: »

How do you come to this conclusion when we've had over 1800 new cases in the three reported days of April?

Because there's been 1800 every 3 days for ages and the hospital numbers are dropping all the while.

BlondeBomb

timsey tiger wrote: »

Will we find out how many are vaccinated on Thursday today or will we have to wait until Tuesday?

27k Thursday and another 27k Friday

https://mobile.twitter.com/muirtheimhne/status/1378443513453510656

Though I think HSE putting Good Friday at around 30k

covidrelease

eagle eye wrote: »

How do you come to this conclusion when we've had over 1800 new cases in the three reported days of April?

Because when cases spike, and RTÉ roll out the scaremongering message, a lot of people with a positive test panic and want to be in hospital in case there are no beds or ICU facilities left.

It's a modern day version of the annual January hospital bed crisis where every puts off their illness until after Christmas is over, creating a surge.

A lot of people in hospital during a spike in covid positive test results wouldn't be that sick at all, and fear breeds fear it's a viscioys circle.

Ficheall

covidrelease wrote: »

a lot of people with a positive test panic and want to be in hospital in case there are no beds or ICU facilities left.

Do you know people who tested positive and want to be in hospital? No one I know who has had it has been in any way keen to get into hospital...

h2005

covidrelease wrote: »

Because when cases spike, and RTÉ roll out the scaremongering message, a lot of people with a positive test panic and want to be in hospital in case there are no beds or ICU facilities left.

It's a modern day version of the annual January hospital bed crisis where every puts off their illness until after Christmas is over, creating a surge.

A lot of people in hospital during a spike in covid positive test results wouldn't be that sick at all, and fear breeds fear it's a viscioys circle.

Who the **** wants to be in hospital at the moment? Are you saying hospitals are admitting people that aren’t sick? Have you anything to back this up?

Neamhshuntasach

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

I understood no discharges occur over a bank holiday weekend

Huge drop expected Tuesday morning

They do happen. Just under specific criteria and on a very limited basis.

Jim_Hodge

covidrelease wrote: »

Because when cases spike, and RTÉ roll out the scaremongering message, a lot of people with a positive test panic and want to be in hospital in case there are no beds or ICU facilities left.

It's a modern day version of the annual January hospital bed crisis where every puts off their illness until after Christmas is over, creating a surge.

A lot of people in hospital during a spike in covid positive test results wouldn't be that sick at all, and fear breeds fear it's a viscioys circle.

Are you serious? People don't get admitted to hospital because they want to be. They are admitted based on medical assessment under copious measures.
This sort of BS really needs to be called out for the flag waving it is. To hell with facts; let's make up scenarios that suit our own narratives.

iamwhoiam

covidrelease wrote: »

Because when cases spike, and RTÉ roll out the scaremongering message, a lot of people with a positive test panic and want to be in hospital in case there are no beds or ICU facilities left.

It's a modern day version of the annual January hospital bed crisis where every puts off their illness until after Christmas is over, creating a surge.

A lot of people in hospital during a spike in covid positive test results wouldn't be that sick at all, and fear breeds fear it's a viscioys circle.

Nonsense . You don’t rock up to a hospital and tuck into a bed . You are assessed and tests done and O2 levels checked
Unless you meet the criteria for admission you go home

h2005

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

Are you serious? People don't get admitted to hospital because they want to be. They are admitted based on medical assessment under copious measures.
This sort of BS really needs to be called out for the flag waving it is. To hell with facts; let's make up scenarios that suit our own narratives.

It needs to be removed from the site. Throwing out a load of ****e which has no basis in reality.

covidrelease

People always panic, it was the same with the toilet paper and everything else.

Can you imagine finding out your son or daughter posted that on the internet? You'd question everything.. I honestly think it would ruin me.

Banana Republic 1

h2005 wrote: »

It needs to be removed from the site. Throwing out a load of ****e which has no basis in reality.

You can’t put room 101 into room 101 there’d be a rip in the space time continuum.

Jim_Hodge

covidrelease wrote: »

People always panic, it was the same with the toilet paper and everything else.

So, you have no proof about all these self admissions to hospital and just lob in the tired toilet roll gag? It's tiring, boring and, frankly, pathetic.

covidrelease

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

So, you have no proof about all these self admissions to hospital and just lob in the tired toilet roll gag? It's tiring, boring and, frankly, pathetic.

Where did I say anything about self admissions?

A lot of people will ride it out at home, I know a few who have, even though they were quite ill with covid.

When there is loads of hype and fear and talk of no beds, people are more likely to take the hospital option than ride it out at home. It's human nature.

How many are admitted "for observation" or "as a precaution"

darced

Ficheall wrote: »

Even if you're a covid denier/whatever, this is just wrong for PPE in general.

So if I am going in to an isolated patient suspected of having covid, I'm putting on PPE to protect them not myself?

iamwhoiam

covidrelease wrote: »

Where did I say anything about self admissions?

A lot of people will ride it out at home, I know a few who have, even though they were quite ill with covid.

When there is loads of hype and fear and talk of no beds, people are more likely to take the hospital option than ride it out at home. It's human nature.

How many are admitted "for observation" or "as a precaution"

You dont get an option , either you are sick enough to be admitted or you are not .Its not like you pick an option and hop into a bed