Covid 19 Part XXXIV-249,437 ROI(4,906 deaths) 120,195 NI (2,145 deaths)(01/05)Read OP

TheDoctor

Nice to see the daily death count stay consistently in single digits

Faugheen

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

Yes why no county breakdown because low counties will want more lifting of lockdown restrictions, as Dublin and other Leinster counties highest

Absolute state of this.

NPHET don’t want to keep us in lockdown forever.

Anyone who suggests otherwise should be in the conspiracy theory forum.

I swear the internet has been one of the best and worst inventions of all time.

podgeandrodge

I see that around half of patients currently in ICU are under the age of 60. Is it known are these generally with underlying conditions or generally healthy prior?

Faugheen

podgeandrodge wrote: »

I see that around half of patients currently in ICU are under the age of 60. Is it known are these generally with underlying conditions or generally healthy prior?

They don’t give that information away.

B117 is known to be more virulent so either way it’s a concern, especially as it’s more likely that cases will be high among younger cohorts.

Might explain the governments decision to change the vaccine priority list by age

Polar101

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

Yes why no county breakdown because low counties will want more lifting of lockdown restrictions, as Dublin and other Leinster counties highest

Or maybe not everything is a conspiracy.

jams100

A neighbour across the street just started shouting "lockdown, level 5" at another neighbour who arrived back home in a car (presumably with his girlfriend or whatever).

What the f**k is the world coming to? People need to stop with the curtain twitching, especially at the stage we are at, if your particularly worried about covid then avoid going out but to be verbally assaulting each other is fruitless and all it will do is cause further division.

GooglePlus

jams100 wrote: »

A neighbour across the street just started shouting "lockdown, level 5" at another neighbour who arrived back home in a car (presumably with his girlfriend or whatever).

What the f**k is the world coming to? People need to stop with the curtain twitching, especially at the stage we are at, if your particularly worried about covid then avoid going out but to be verbally assaulting each other is fruitless and all it will do is cause further division.

You should still follow the restrictions, they're not there for the fun of it but those who get down other people's throats for not doing so are worse than anyone not following them.

FintanMcluskey

Faugheen wrote: »

Absolute state of this.

NPHET don’t want to keep us in lockdown forever.

Anyone who suggests otherwise should be in the conspiracy theory forum.

I swear the internet has been one of the best and worst inventions of all time.

They don’t want to keep us in lockdown forever.

What they are concerned with though, is lowering Covid case numbers to almost 0.

They don’t have any consideration for the related costs of reaching that goal.

That goal is almost impossible in Ireland so until the metrics or end goal changes lockdown is here for a long time yet

Faugheen

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

They don’t want to keep us in lockdown forever.

What they are concerned with though, is lowering Covid case numbers to almost 0.

Go back and watch Wednesday’s briefing if you genuinely believe this.

Inform yourself rather than making up absolute bollocks.

I also see you took more of an issue with my post rather than the one which was spreading wild conspiracies.

FintanMcluskey

Faugheen wrote: »

Go back and watch Wednesday’s briefing if you genuinely believe this.

Inform yourself rather than making up absolute bollocks.

I also see you took more of an issue with my post rather than the one which was spreading wild conspiracies.

I didn’t take issue with your post.

I was merely entering a civilised discussion

Something that you clearly aren’t capable of

I’ve watched all the briefings, the constant defence of NPHET is something I still can’t figure out

FintanMcluskey

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

I’ve watched all the briefings, the constant defence of NPHET is something I still can’t figure out

Especially when you consider the fact that health bodies in almost all other countries are not placed on a vocal pedestal in the way that NPHET are.

Yes, these health bodies are important (as is their advice), but they should not be effectively governing policy. They should contribute - and do so to the government; and not to the public via biweekly conferences.

The COVID-19 pandemic is a political and economic problem, as much as it is a health problem - though these three are heavily interlinked. The focus is too much on NPHET, at the grave expense of the other two.

Jim_Hodge

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

I didn’t take issue with your post.

I was merely entering a civilised discussion

Something that you clearly aren’t capable of

I’ve watched all the briefings, the constant defence of NPHET is something I still can’t figure out

But, go back to the start of the exchange. A poster stated;

Yes why no county breakdown because low counties will want more lifting of lockdown restrictions, as Dublin and other Leinster counties highest

This is the context. A blatant conspiracy piece and the reason for the further replies. You have to be able to call out this level of conspiracy thinking regarding NPHET without having to be chastised for defending NPHET in the process.

titan18

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

They don’t want to keep us in lockdown forever.

What they are concerned with though, is lowering Covid case numbers to almost 0.

They don’t have any consideration for the related costs of reaching that goal.

That goal is almost impossible in Ireland so until the metrics or end goal changes lockdown is here for a long time yet

Tbf, whilst I'd agree, the people ignoring restrictions have zero consideration for the costs of doing that. People ignore restrictions and we end up staying in lockdown unfortunately. It does feck all for the economy though as places still can't reopen.

FintanMcluskey

titan18 wrote: »

Tbf, whilst I'd agree, the people ignoring restrictions have zero consideration for the costs of doing that. People ignore restrictions and we end up staying in lockdown unfortunately. It does feck all for the economy though as places still can't reopen.

If the same people continue to ignore the same restrictions, longer restrictions won’t solve that problem.

If a company has policies in place that employees aren’t adhering to, or policies aren’t working, management will be advised to change the policies, not the staff.

We’re a year into this and the policy is still to blame the people, not the policy itself in Ireland.

Is there a reason why we spent 5 of the last 6 months contained within 5km of our homes, when no other citizens in Europe had such a measure? I’ve worked in different counties in Europe, don’t tell me they follow rules better than us, the Irish are by far the most subservient across the continent

PCeeeee

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

If the same people continue to ignore the same restrictions, longer restrictions won’t solve that problem.

If a company has policies in place that employees aren’t adhering to, or policies aren’t working, management will be advised to change the policies, not the staff.

We’re a year into this and the policy is still to blame the people, not the policy itself in Ireland.

Is there a reason why we spent 5 of the last 6 months contained within 5km of our homes, when no other citizens in Europe had such a measure? I’ve worked in different counties in Europe, don’t tell me they follow rules better than us, the Irish are by far the most subservient across the continent

You've worked in various countries during the pandemic or just your experience tells you that people would be less like to follow the rules?

timsey tiger

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

If the same people continue to ignore the same restrictions, longer restrictions won’t solve that problem.

If a company has policies in place that employees aren’t adhering to, or policies aren’t working, management will be advised to change the policies, not the staff.

We’re a year into this and the policy is still to blame the people, not the policy itself in Ireland.

Is there a reason why we spent 5 of the last 6 months contained within 5km of our homes, when no other citizens in Europe had such a measure? I’ve worked in different counties in Europe, don’t tell me they follow rules better than us, the Irish are by far the most subservient across the continent

lol - must be public sector company. In the real world the staff get changed not the policies.

Faugheen

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

I didn’t take issue with your post.

I was merely entering a civilised discussion

Something that you clearly aren’t capable of

I’ve watched all the briefings, the constant defence of NPHET is something I still can’t figure out

You've watched all the briefings yet believe that NPHET wants to bring everything down to zero.

You'll have to excuse me if I call bollocks on this one, because it most certainly is.

Faugheen

Faugheen wrote: »

You've watched all the briefings yet believe that NPHET wants to bring everything down to zero.

You'll have to excuse me if I call bollocks on this one, because it most certainly is.

NPHET have made pregnant the problem that if cases are 300-600 now, with 900,000 vaccinations, is that equivalent to 300-600 cases with zero vaccinations at all?

Self-evidently not.

Having 900,000 jabs into patients arms serves as a significant advantage.

So, why is case numbers not similarly revised?

Why isn't 1,000-2,000 cases considered now acceptable given that almost a million vaccines have been administered?

Why is no difference made between the situation as then was, versus the situation we now face?

It's all very unusual.

There are clear differences - and the position is now in our favour. But we hear next to nothing about this; only that 600 cases is still VERY HIGH.

FintanMcluskey

Faugheen wrote: »

You've watched all the briefings yet believe that NPHET wants to bring everything down to zero.

You'll have to excuse me if I call bollocks on this one, because it most certainly is.

What quantifiable point are NPHET hoping to achieve?

Don’t curse in every post, it comes across poorly

FintanMcluskey

timsey tiger wrote: »

lol - must be public sector company. In the real world the staff get changed not the policies.

Lol- public or private it’s the same

If you think as a manager you will remove multiple permanent employees and not find yourself in the labour court your living in the 70’s.

If policy is failing its reviewed and changed

Faugheen

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

What quantifiable point are NPHET hoping to achieve?

That tells me exactly that you don't watch every briefing and certainly didn't watch the last one.

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Don’t curse in every post, it comes across poorly

Don't patronise me.

Again, you took issue with my post instead of the one spreading rapid conspiracy theories. Don't be surprised if people think you're chatting sh*t.

timsey tiger

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Lol- public or private it’s the same

If you think as a manager you will remove multiple permanent employees and not find yourself in the labour court your living in the 70’s.

If policy is failing its reviewed and changed

Dig away. One would be enough. Good luck in the high court having breached stated company policy.

FintanMcluskey

timsey tiger wrote: »

Dig away. One would be enough. Good luck in the high court having breached stated company policy.

Your alluding to one staff member breaking policy, nobody mentioned that only you.

I mentioned multiple staff breaking policy being a policy failure

Are you seriously suggesting removing multiple staff from a company would be a wise move for an employer?

Ha Long Bay

Deleted User wrote: »

NPHET have made pregnant the problem that if cases are 300-600 now, with 900,000 vaccinations, is that equivalent to 300-600 cases with zero vaccinations at all?

Self-evidently not.

Having 900,000 jabs into patients arms serves as a significant advantage.

So, why is case numbers not similarly revised?

Why isn't 1,000-2,000 cases considered now acceptable given that almost a million vaccines have been administered?

Why is no difference made between the situation as then was, versus the situation we now face?

It's all very unusual.

There are clear differences - and the position is now in our favour. But we hear next to nothing about this; only that 600 cases is still VERY HIGH.

We currently have just over 250k people fully vaccinated. The rollout is accelerating with greater supply and over the next month or two this will all be factored into opening things back up.


If we rush it there is a risk of a 4th wave and as we have seen before this can take 3-4 months to get under control so instead of things opening we would be shut for the summer which no one wants.

timsey tiger

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Your alluding to one staff member breaking policy, nobody mentioned that only you.

I mentioned multiple staff breaking policy being a policy failure

Are you seriously suggesting removing multiple staff from a company would be a wise move for an employer?

I guess none so blind as those that will not see applies here.

Otherwise, I'm in serious danger of getting beaten by experience.

FintanMcluskey

Faugheen wrote: »

That tells me exactly that you don't watch every briefing and certainly didn't watch the last one.

What bit was quantifiable for removing mitigation?

There is a critical window over the next 8 weeks where any significant increase in close contact is likely to lead to a significant fourth wave of infection in the range of that experienced in January 2021.

It was more of this type nonsense

FintanMcluskey

Hạ Long Bay wrote: »

We currently have just over 250k people fully vaccinated. The rollout is accelerating with greater supply and over the next month or two this will all be factored into opening things back up.


If we rush it there is a risk of a 4th wave and as we have been before this can take 3-4 months to get under control so instead of things opening we would be shut for the summer which no one wants.

I struggle with the lack of appreciation for what’s being sacrificed by this stage.

5 of the last 6 months restricted to 5km from home, going to change to only 20km until Summer likely.

And the belief that even making small changes will cause a wave seen when nobody was vaccinated, all socialising occurred indoors and a few thousand came to the country from overseas.

Ha Long Bay

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

I struggle with the lack of appreciation for what’s being sacrificed by this stage.

5 of the last 6 months restricted to 5km from home, going to change to only 10km until Summer likely.

And the belief that even making small changes will cause a wave seen when nobody was vaccinated, all socialising occurred indoors and a few thousand came to the country from overseas.

Have a quick read of what's actually happening instead of a made up scenario that you are getting angry about.


https://www.gov.ie/en/press-release/81029-government-announces-phased-easing-of-public-health-restrictions/

Jim_Hodge

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

restricted to 5km from home, going to change to only 10km until Summer likely.
.

You what?????


Have you been keeping up to date at all?

Aph2016

Adherence to the restrictions must be at an all time low. With the good weather and Easter weekend, people are having get togethers, breaking the 5km limit, fresh haircuts all over the place, tonnes of businesses are back working regardless of being essential or not.

Expedite the reduction or end of these restrictions and let us live our lives. We are in a far better place than this time last year with the vaccines that have already been administered.