Covid 19 Part XXXIV-249,437 ROI(4,906 deaths) 120,195 NI (2,145 deaths)(01/05)Read OP

Azatadine

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

As bad as he is he actually reins in Pat Kenny on his show every Thursday morning

Pat likes to talk about stuff like plumes of Covid exhausting from cyclists, O’Neill is actually a voice of reason on that show

I visualised the plumes from cyclists and gave a chuckle at this :-)

Polar101

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Luke O'Neil saying 25% occuputancy indoor dining in September

Well, he's not going to be making the decision - it's just his opinion. I wouldn't agree with it myself, but that's just an opinion as well.

podgeandrodge

Faugheen wrote: »

People reading into that data in the Irish Times need to remember that it's 0.1% of cases that can be identified as the source of the transmission.

Up until last week, there was no retroactive contact tracing. Contact tracing was used to find out who you might have spread the disease to, not where you got it. Conveniently the journalist here (Ronan McGreevey) left that bit out. It's the exact same reason why transmission in pubs, restaurants etc is so low. Even the lobby groups for them have accepted that the data means sweet **** all because CT only looked at who you were in contact with 48 hours previously and considering the damage their lobbying caused back in January.

Ronan McGreevey has a tendency to print pieces that are misleading in a bid to whip people up into a frenzy. He printed a piece a few weeks ago where he quoted an Electric Picnic organiser as saying that they're working on the assumption that it's going ahead this year. EP had to release a statement saying that person didn't work for EP and didn't speak on their behalf. However it was too late, people were already saying it should go ahead. He's grossly irresponsible and he's doing the exact same thing here.

So while outdoor transmission is most likely lower than indoors, there is simply no way to say that it is definitely that low, because contact tracing never aimed to find out the source. Another NPHET recommendation that was ignored by the government back in August, funnily enough, yet some people here would have you believe that NPHET call all the shots and have this great power.

marno21 wrote: »

Colm Henry is right. 0.1% of confirmed cases linked to outdoor transmission is misleading, because it doesn't account for cases marked as "community transmission", which could be indoor or outdoor for all we know. Contact tracing outdoor transmission would be very difficult, if not impossible in a system like ours which doesn't effectively trace genuine community transmission.

It doesn't take from the fact that outdoor activities are much safer than indoor ones, and people should be encouraged to do stuff outdoors anyway. It would be much more useful to encourage people to meet outdoors instead of Gardai clearing groups meeting outdoors and effectively encouraging them to meet indoors (e.g. where they won't be seen).

Professor Liam Fanning said that while there was an obvious difference between indoor and outdoor transmission, he thought there could be a slight bias in the data and that the figures were on the lower limit.

He said: "I'm surprised at the data just a little bit.

"The focus of public health data surveillance is really to capture infections associated with outbreaks. As we know most have occurred through indoor transmission, so there's probably a slight bias in the data.

"Now there's definitely a difference between outdoor activity and infection and indoor activity and infection. The 0.1% is probably the lower limit of what it could go to and I imagine it's somewhere between that and 1%."


1% still pretty low.

podgeandrodge

mloc123 wrote: »

Why? At some stage the government need to decide that the goal is.... The people that account for 90% of hospital admissions and deaths will b vaccinated in the next 2 months.

So at that point, assuming deaths and healthcare system is under control... What is left to achieve by continued lockdown?

There seemed to be more hope last year than this year!

landofthetree

Polar101 wrote: »

Well, he's not going to be making the decision - it's just his opinion. I wouldn't agree with it myself, but that's just an opinion as well.

He is generally much more optimistic.

If he is saying that what will Nphet be thinking?

I dont understand. If the vaccines are as good as being reported we should be returning to normal.

nocoverart

Polar101 wrote: »

Well, he's not going to be making the decision - it's just his opinion. I wouldn't agree with it myself, but that's just an opinion as well.

Yeah, but its Luke O’Neill. He’d make a funeral look like a wedding and turn the grim reaper into Bosco.

Charles Babbage

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Absolutely

Good luck selling staycations with no indoor dining

Room service?

stephenjmcd

Irish times reporting that the next steps being considered for fully vaccinated people are,

-No longer considered close contacts of a confirmed case unless showing symptoms
- Relaxation of mask requirements

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/fully-vaccinated-people-may-not-have-to-isolate-if-identified-as-close-contacts-1.4530507?mode=amp

Corholio

Looks like there's going to be a drive introduced to take Vitamin D to help protect serious illness.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2021/0407/1208274-vitamin-d-covid-19/

Widdensushi

Corholio wrote: »

Looks like there's going to be a drive introduced to take Vitamin D to help protect serious illness.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2021/0407/1208274-vitamin-d-covid-19/

Stop hunting people out of the outdoors so

Real Donald Trump

Corholio wrote: »

Looks like there's going to be a drive introduced to take Vitamin D to help protect serious illness.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2021/0407/1208274-vitamin-d-covid-19/

Unbelievable that they're just coming out with this **** now? should've been pushing for this last spring

SilentGreenx32

Corholio wrote: »

Looks like there's going to be a drive introduced to take Vitamin D to help protect serious illness.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2021/0407/1208274-vitamin-d-covid-19/

Unbelievable. People have been saying this since last year and it was laughed off by the "experts" on this board

Real Donald Trump

SilentGreenx32 wrote: »

Unbelievable. People have been saying this since last year and it was laughed off by the "experts" on this board

Dr Tony and NPHET know best :rolleyes:

Batattackrat

the minister for beer gardens needs to step up

Gael23

If there is restricted indoor dining for the summer season the hospitality industry just won’t survive, quite clear cut.

Ficheall

SilentGreenx32 wrote: »

Unbelievable. People have been saying this since last year and it was laughed off by the "experts" on this board

You'll be able to link to a few of those posts, I'm sure?
I know some people were sceptical about the conclusiveness of the limited evidence, but I don't recall anyone laughing at it..

SnuggyBear

25%? What a clown

plodder

SilentGreenx32 wrote: »

Unbelievable. People have been saying this since last year and it was laughed off by the "experts" on this board

I do think we have taken the whole "we must be directed by the science" thing to an extreme. Some things are unprovable due to a lack of time or other difficulties gathering evidence but are still worth punting on. There's also been a bit of a conflict I think going back years between the need for sunshine and Vitamin D and the role that sun exposure plays in skin cancer. Long before this pandemic, I've thought the advice we got, like farmers staying out of the sun in the middle of the Summer, was wholly unrealistic, in Ireland of all places.

is_that_so

Hospitals down to 220 with 58 in ICU.

shtpEdthePlum

SilentGreenx32 wrote: »

Unbelievable. People have been saying this since last year and it was laughed off by the "experts" on this board

I love the last sentence about saying they have to be careful when they tell us what to put into our bodies. Meanwhile the water in every tap contains high levels of fluoride and they just injected me with a vaccine that supposedly causes a rare blood clotting condition

I'm fine with it by the way, it's like I'm taking nothing at all nothing at all.

is_that_so

SilentGreenx32 wrote: »

Unbelievable. People have been saying this since last year and it was laughed off by the "experts" on this board

Nobody laughed it off. Real experts also disagree on it. It's still in the realms of unproven but it's generally a good idea to boost your immune system anyway.

DellyBelly

Just listened to the news there and they are saying Vitamin d could possibly be a cure against covid.. Interesting news

covidrelease

is_that_so wrote: »

Hospitals down to 220 with 58 in ICU.

Open the pubs

Kivaro

4,000 people died with Covid in Brazil yesterday, all in a 24 hour period. Yesterday 3 Brazilians who flew into Dublin and spent less than a day in a quarantine hotel just walked out of the hotel, got into a car and drove 150 kms heading towards Donegal before they were stopped by Gardai, and asked to return to the hotel. We should be stopping all arrivals from Brazil until the country gets their act together. The very high death toll in Brazil, including the record number of deaths yesterday, are attributed to variants, which does not surprise me as Brazil is just a petri dish for Covid variants due to the lack of control efforts in that country. With such a high degree of Covid transmission in Brazil, people should not be flying out of Brazil and they certainly should not be allowed into Ireland if they do decide to leave the country.

wadacrack

https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1379691196319215622

prunudo

Its funny how science is coming back to things our grannies used to say in times gone by. Who would have thought being outdoors, ventilated rooms and sunshine were good for us.

iamwhoiam

prunudo wrote: »

Its funny how science is coming back to things our grannies used to say in times gone by. Who would have thought being outdoors, ventilated rooms and sunshine were good for us.

A lot of posters are saying this since last March . !Who would have guessed it took a year for it to be proven !



( My gran would often march us all down to the sea in the winter and tell us to stand up straight , open our lungs and breathe in ! I still do it often and remember .)

plodder

Norma Foley just said that all 50 year olds have the same risk of catching Covid. Eg a civil servant working from home vs a teacher or SNA in a school :rolleyes:

prunudo

iamwhoiam wrote: »

A lot of posters are saying this since last March . !Who would have guessed it took a year for it to be proven !



( My gran would often march us all down to the sea in the winter and tell us to stand up straight , open our lungs and breathe in ! I still do it often and remember .)

They'll be telling us next we need to eat our greens to build up our immune system!

suicide_circus

Deleted User wrote: »

People keep throwing out ‘social distancing’ as one of the possible long term behaviours / rules . It’s an absolute nonsense. Large parts of our economy humanity are completely unviable with social distancing. It’s an absolute non-runner once we’re substantially vaccinated

FYP