Covid 19 Part XXXIV-249,437 ROI(4,906 deaths) 120,195 NI (2,145 deaths)(01/05)Read OP

Hellrazer

Pandiculation wrote: »

Just speaking anecdotally, based on what I'm hearing from friends of mine and family, a lot of people are developing hay fever at the moment due to blossoming plants and that's causing coughs and people seeing COVID-19 tests.

So, I don't know if that's feeding into spikes in numbers of swabs, but it would seem possible.

Most people are taking no chances if they develop a cough, whereas normally they'd ignore it.

I usually get hay fever quite bad in April / May - The looks you get if you get a coughing or sneezing fit from it.

Im thinking of getting t-shirts and badges made up saying "Its Hay Fever not Covid - Nothing to see here!!"

oceanman

exitfee wrote: »

100%

Nothing to fear now, no chance things can get that bad again

Outdoor dining and pints need to open after May bank holiday and gyms soon after

cant see the government going for that...

Corholio

Normal One wrote: »

In terms of the spread of the virus, deaths which occurred in the last 7 or 14 days are relevant to that statistic. A death which occurred in January is meaningless for the purposes of planning how to get out of lockdown. How about reporting "2 deaths* and 401 cases....*a further x amount of deaths were notified in Jan/Feb...".

We are seeing low single figures of deaths consistently for a while now, due to vaccinations. Headline figures are misleading imo.

I'm not trying to downplay the loss of life, they should of course be counted in the day toll. It's the reporting of the numbers which is what I think should be changed.

I agree with this too. I don't have a problem with the excess deaths from months previous being reported of course but it should be categorised differently. It of course doesn't mean that any death is more or less important than another.

There should be a window which is specific to the daily numbers, and then outside of that the figures reported from previous months etc.

Instead of '17 deaths, 401 cases' it would be.

'2 deaths, 401 cases'

'15 deaths also occurred in March, February and January'

is_that_so

Pharmacists asking questions about vaccinations again.

https://www.rte.ie/news/ulster/2021/0421/1211263-vaccines-pharmacy-covid/

saabsaab

oceanman wrote: »

cant see the government going for that...

Agree. The Government will wait until the majority of the country is vaccinated before any major reopening. Rightly too.

KrustyUCC

Interesting breakdown of the deaths reported in April

https://twitter.com/RiochtConor2/status/1384912792462020610

Eod100

Interesting move. https://twitter.com/conorfhunt/status/1384945940784615424?s=19

Westernyelp

Eod100 wrote:

Interesting move.

No problem with that. The more extra vaccines the better all round.

KrustyUCC

Eod100 wrote: »

Interesting move. https://twitter.com/conorfhunt/status/1384945940784615424?s=19

Yeah have a friend in Pfizer Cork

His wife will be getting it

If it's independent of other supplies then that great news

hynesie08

Eod100 wrote: »

Interesting move. https://twitter.com/conorfhunt/status/1384945940784615424?s=19

So if its independent of the government imports, but is counted anyway, we could have a week with an efficiency of over 100%.......fantastic.

Eod100

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Yeah have a friend in Pfizer Cork

His wife will be getting it

If it's independent of other supplies then that great news

It is. Thousands vaccinated and not needing it from states scheme, think its a win win.

Pulsating Star

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Yeah have a friend in Pfizer Cork

His wife will be getting it

If it's independent of other supplies then that great news

There’s more of it now.
It’s all about who you know..

giveitholly

Has anyone followed Kansas the last few weeks? How are they getting on with all restrictions lifted and no masks?

What Username Guidelines

Normal One wrote: »

How about reporting "2 deaths* and 401 cases....*a further x amount of deaths were notified in Jan/Feb...".

I'm not trying to downplay the loss of life, they should of course be counted in the death toll. It's the reporting of the numbers which is what I think should be changed.

Understand the issue here, but the 3 month window is the issue, not the reporting.

If they say 2 deaths today, and 18 earlier (which they do kind of say), that two gives a false impression in the other direction.

There is a twitter user constantly replying to all journalists giving out about it. Out of interest, I went back a month when he was giving out, saying that there really was only 6 deaths, plus more reported from previous months. The number for that day, by date-of-death, is now 13. I think there were 30 reported on the day in the news, 6 recent and 24 'historic'. Either way, it's all mess.

So reporting isn't the issue, the window is. While NPHET/Govt use death figures for enacting restrictions, they don't use them in isolation nor do they source them via the news.

Corholio

What Username Guidelines wrote: »

Understand the issue here, but the 3 month window is the issue, not the reporting.

If they say 2 deaths today, and 18 earlier (which they do kind of say), that two gives a false impression in the other direction.

There is a twitter user constantly replying to all journalists giving out about it. Out of interest, I went back a month when he was giving out, saying that there really was only 6 deaths, plus more reported from previous months. The number for that day, by date-of-death, is now 13. I think there were 30 reported on the day in the news, 6 recent and 24 'historic'. Either way, it's all mess.

So reporting isn't the issue, the window is. While NPHET/Govt use death figures for enacting restrictions, they don't use them in isolation nor do they source them via the news.

I don't see how it gives a false impression the other way.
But as you said, they do kind of say that but why not make it more clearer. Why not just report deaths within a window and then deaths outside that window? I've no problem with the window at all but I just think there's a better way of doing it reporting wise. Cases have a specific window daily, deaths should have too.

shtpEdthePlum

Pulsating Star wrote: »

There’s more of it now.
It’s all about who you know..

They should be giving it to the local community at large and not just keeping it for their employees.

If they have it to spare, why not vaccinate everyone in the area. Supermarket workers and other essential services.

hynesie08

shtpEdthePlum wrote: »

They should be giving it to the local community at large and not just keeping it for their employees.

If they have it to spare, why not vaccinate everyone in the area. Supermarket workers and other essential services.

Because vaccinating the local post office does the sun total of **** all for pfizer. Vaccinate your employees and their families means covid free bubbles, which means you can distribute the vaccine without fear of staff shortages..

Pulsating Star

shtpEdthePlum wrote: »

They should be giving it to the local community at large and not just keeping it for their employees.

If they have it to spare, why not vaccinate everyone in the area. Supermarket workers and other essential services.

It was a little tongue in cheek begrudgary joke only.
I think Pfizer employees have a fair amount of goodwill going their way from all at the moment 👍.

timsey tiger

Corholio wrote: »

I don't see how it gives a false impression the other way.
But as you said, they do kind of say that but why not make it more clearer. Why not just report deaths within a window and then deaths outside that window? I've no problem with the window at all but I just think there's a better way of doing it reporting wise. Cases have a specific window daily, deaths should have too.

I'm guessing none so blind as those who will not see applies here.

timsey tiger

hynesie08 wrote: »

Because vaccinating the local post office does the sun total of **** all for pfizer. Vaccinate your employees and their families means covid free bubbles, which means you can distribute the vaccine without fear of staff shortages..

Staff with no roll in production and distribution of vaccines?

For what it is worth, I'm delighted for the staff and everybody vaccinated is a step further, I wonder will they be paying their benefit in kind tax. How much would the relief of your whole family vaccinated be worth

timsey tiger

shtpEdthePlum wrote: »

They should be giving it to the local community at large and not just keeping it for their employees.

If they have it to spare, why not vaccinate everyone in the area. Supermarket workers and other essential services.

You mean like AZ doing it at cost price, how is that working out? Pfizer are reliably doing what they agreed to do.

shtpEdthePlum

hynesie08 wrote: »

Because vaccinating the local post office does the sun total of **** all for pfizer. Vaccinate your employees and their families means covid free bubbles, which means you can distribute the vaccine without fear of staff shortages..

Do Pfizer not use the postal service and do their employees not eat food? Incredible that they've come this far.

questionmark?

Be interesting to see if Pfizer staff and family jabs will get added onto the overall vaccine figures.
4k employees plus immediate family will add up to a fair amount of people, maybe circa 15k at conservative guesstimate?

blowitupref

Hospital operations update

In hospital 172 (no change)
In ICU 47 (no change but 1 death)

Azatadine

How fantastic is this!

https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1384999445281054722?s=09

thebiglad

shtpEdthePlum wrote: »

Do Pfizer not use the postal service and do their employees not eat food? Incredible that they've come this far.

There post is sorted at the national sorting centre before it gets to the local post office. The food comes from distribution centres before hitting the local delis and shops, do they need to vaccinate these people too - where does this logic stop, how far up the chain do you want to go?

is_that_so

A family is suing the State over a COVID death in hospital. Very few details on it.


https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0421/1211311-covid-case/

Van.Bosch

questionmark? wrote: »

Be interesting to see if Pfizer staff and family jabs will get added onto the overall vaccine figures.
4k employees plus immediate family will add up to a fair amount of people, maybe circa 15k at conservative guesstimate?

They are only giving it to people who fit the government schedule - so over 60’s at the moment. 15,000 sounds reasonable by not all immediately.

funnydoggy

is_that_so wrote: »

A family is suing the State over a COVID death in hospital. Very few details on it.


https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0421/1211311-covid-case/

Would love more clarification alright. There must be a story they're suing.

SEPT 23 1989

310,000 cases detected in India yesterday

fits

techdiver wrote: »

I. For example, early intervention teams for children with autism have been reassigned to covid swab taking since last year. This means no treatment or services for those children. This especially becomes a serious issue as children approach school age and parents require a place in an ASD class for their child.

Is this still happening? All therapists in my area are back at their primary posts. It’s all being reorganised at the moment though so everything is up in a heap for that reason.

prunudo

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

310,000 cases detected in India yesterday

Equivalent to us getting approx 1200 cases in a day.
Not denying India aren't in good shape at the moment but they have a massive population so it stands to reason they'll have case numbers which on the face of it sound high.

shtpEdthePlum

Van.Bosch wrote: »

They are only giving it to people who fit the government schedule - so over 60’s at the moment. 15,000 sounds reasonable by not all immediately.

Oh right, my understanding was that if you worked for them, you get a golden ticket, no matter your age or health status.

That's completely different, and also fair enough and sound of them to do.

Jim_Hodge

Van.Bosch wrote: »

They are only giving it to people who fit the government schedule - so over 60’s at the moment. 15,000 sounds reasonable by not all immediately.

No they're not. The scheme will prioritise along the same lines of the national roll-out. That is not the same as following the government timeline.
I've no issues with them doing it, but let's stick to the facts.

mightyreds

shtpEdthePlum wrote: »

Oh right, my understanding was that if you worked for them, you get a golden ticket, no matter your age or health status.

That's completely different, and also fair enough and sound of them to do.

I know plenty of people who are in the 20s to 40s range in the newbridge plant who got the vaccine in February

is_that_so

mightyreds wrote: »

I know plenty of people who are in the 20s to 40s range in the newbridge plant who got the vaccine in February

Working in a pharma plant suggests that you are very much a key worker and should be vaccinated and it did not affect our supplies.

shtpEdthePlum

My uncle retired early from HSE two years ago and he rocked up to his old office and got vaccinated in early April outside of the government schedule.

It really is who you know and screw the rest. Ireland seems to have been revealed as country full of liars and charlatans who will climb over each other to guard themselves.

Not that being vaccinated really confers any tangible benefit with the whole country closed.

Interesting case in a family of one of my wife's old work mates

1 year old baby got symptoms and was tested and found positive for covid. Child was ill with cough and temp for a few days but recovered grand.
No one in the family tested positive. There were no cases in the creche and no one in the creche tested positive due to contact tracing. The older sibling was in preschool and there have been no recorded cases there. One of the parents WFH full time and the other part time, but there have been no cases in their work either. The family do nearly all their shopping online and have not had any visitors or visiting anyone. They are perplexed as to how the baby caught it

Sobit1964

shtpEdthePlum wrote: »

My uncle retired early from HSE two years ago and he rocked up to his old office and got vaccinated in early April outside of the government schedule.

It really is who you know and screw the rest. Ireland seems to have been revealed as country full of liars and charlatans who will climb over each other to guard themselves.

Not that being vaccinated really confers any tangible benefit with the whole country closed.

Im sure Ireland is pretty much the same as every other country when it comes to various queue jumpers - its not really fair to single us out. There are news stories from at least 4 other countries bemoaning the same thing that I have come across without really looking.

is_that_so

shtpEdthePlum wrote: »

My uncle retired early from HSE two years ago and he rocked up to his old office and got vaccinated in early April outside of the government schedule.

It really is who you know and screw the rest. Ireland seems to have been revealed as country full of liars and charlatans who will climb over each other to guard themselves.

Not that being vaccinated really confers any tangible benefit with the whole country closed.

It's also true there is outrage under every stone if you go looking for it. Our date with the needle will come when it does. Until then it's far better to celebrate people getting their shots because it helps us all. Has this relative been asked to do any work for the HSE in any capacity?

pc7

Deleted User wrote: »

Interesting case in a family of one of my wife's old work mates

1 year old baby got symptoms and was tested and found positive for covid. Child was ill with cough and temp for a few days but recovered grand.
No one in the family tested positive. There were no cases in the creche and no one in the creche tested positive due to contact tracing. The older sibling was in preschool and there have been no recorded cases there. One of the parents WFH full time and the other part time, but there have been no cases in their work either. The family do nearly all their shopping online and have not had any visitors or visiting anyone. They are perplexed as to how the baby caught it

Very similar issue a few months back in my friends creche, child in class about 1 1/2 got it but no one else in creche or their home had it.

Kids that age have their hands and god knows what else (shoes even) in their mouths, just great they didn't spread it.

shtpEdthePlum

is_that_so wrote: »

It's also true there is outrage under every stone if you go looking for it. Our date with the needle will come when it does. Until then it's far better to celebrate people getting their shots because it helps us all. Has this relative been asked to do any work for the HSE in any capacity?

No, since his second jab he has gone abroad to the holiday home with his also illicitly vaccinated wife to celebrate.

RebelButtMunch

prunudo wrote: »

Equivalent to us getting approx 1200 cases in a day.
Not denying India aren't in good shape at the moment but they have a massive population so it stands to reason they'll have case numbers which on the face of it sound high.

I absolutely wouldn't trust the numbers coming out of there.

A colleague of mine is there now. Caught covid, went to hospital and was sent home again because there are no beds left in the hospital.

arccosh

Deleted User wrote: »

Interesting case in a family of one of my wife's old work mates

1 year old baby got symptoms and was tested and found positive for covid. Child was ill with cough and temp for a few days but recovered grand.
No one in the family tested positive. There were no cases in the creche and no one in the creche tested positive due to contact tracing. The older sibling was in preschool and there have been no recorded cases there. One of the parents WFH full time and the other part time, but there have been no cases in their work either. The family do nearly all their shopping online and have not had any visitors or visiting anyone. They are perplexed as to how the baby caught it

These types of cases are interesting...

More details are needed though...

What type of test was it, did they test positive more than once? (possible false positive while just so happening to be sick)

Was there someone (or someones) who were asymptomatic who caught it and passed it on? (will probably never know)

Was it a touch transmission case? (very easy with children)

pc7

RebelButtMunch wrote: »

A colleague of mine is there now. Caught covid, went to hospital and was sent home again because there are no beds left in the hospital.

That really is awful, I hope they are doing ok.

CIARAN_BOYLE

Does anyone have a good summation of where we are with regard variants.

I've been trying to cut down the covid news I consume so I don't read as much about about as I used to.

What variants are of concern. Why they are of concern and where they have spread.

Perhaps a variant megathread might be worth having?

exitfee

exitfee wrote: »

Fomite transmission is basically impossible

No documented cases of it

Baby had a false positive is far far more likely

Covid symptoms, and a positive test, yet a false positive is the most likely explanation even though true false positives are extremely rare?

is_that_so

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

Does anyone have a good summation of where we are with regard variants.

I've been trying to cut down the covid news I consume so I don't read as much about about as I used to.

What variants are of concern. Why they are of concern and where they have spread.

Perhaps a variant megathread might be worth having?

Very little new TBH apart from the Indian double mutant which seems to be little more than a VUI, otherwise it's as you were with the usual suspects.

wadacrack

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

Does anyone have a good summation of where we are with regard variants.

I've been trying to cut down the covid news I consume so I don't read as much about about as I used to.

What variants are of concern. Why they are of concern and where they have spread.

Perhaps a variant megathread might be worth having?

Its becoming clear that vaccines protect against severe illness for all current variants. When countries are at about 55%-60% of the population vaccinated it appears that the virus will be under control and society can begin to live again. That is what all evidence currently indicates. important to remember that. Brazil and India examples of handling this pandemic in the worst way possible.

exitfee

exitfee wrote: »

Yes

The likelihood of a toddler crawling into a puddle of covid and actually getting infected and then infecting no one is far less likely than a false positive

Its almost laughable to believe it tbh

I would suggest more plausible scenario is that as the evidence on transmission is that small children are less likely to pass on the virus, the lack of transmission is not that unusual. It is also likely that up to 15% of the population have had the virus, so the parents may well have resistance without knowing it. A forgotten or brief contact is the likely source. The 2 metre 15 minute is not a catch all and the odds of catching it from a brief contact, although low, are far higher than the odds of someone with symptomatic covid testing positive when in fact they have another virus.