Covid 19 Part XXXIV-249,437 ROI(4,906 deaths) 120,195 NI (2,145 deaths)(01/05)Read OP

Arghus

Faugheen wrote: »

Glynn isn’t taking any bullsh*t today.

Yep, he wasn't beating around the bush there

ninebeanrows

ninebeanrows wrote: »

If you believe Ireland is breaching EU law and treaties as i do with Mandatory Hotel Quarantine of EU citizens with negative COVID PCR tests then please please take 5 minutes to lodge a complaint to the commission

The link again for anyone seeking to lodge a complaint: https://ec.europa.eu/assets/sg/repor...complaints_en/


It is very straight forward

link doesnt work

Turtwig

JP100 wrote: »

You just have to understand that lots of other people do not share your belief in the infallible nature of Irish regulators and especially when they can see for themselves what is already happening in other countries in relation to AZ.

Nobody said the regulators are infallible. What I will say though is your expectations of the regulators are completely unrealistic.

ninebeanrows

Reposted due to link error

If you believe Ireland is breaching EU law and treaties as i do with Mandatory Hotel Quarantine of EU citizens with negative COVID PCR tests then please please take 5 minutes to lodge a complaint to the commission


To lodge a complaint about Ireland to the commission
The link again for anyone seeking to lodge a complaint: https://ec.europa.eu/assets/sg/report-a-breach/complaints_en/


It is very straight forward

TheDoctor

Arghus wrote: »

Yep, he wasn't beating around the bush there

What was the comment?

Widdensushi

You would need a clicker to count the amount of times 'concern' ed'ing' was said.

lee_baby_simms

TheDoctor wrote: »

What was the comment?

He basically said that the damage that’s been done to livelihoods is due to the virus and not due to NPHET.

Russman

Faugheen wrote: »

Glynn isn’t taking any bullsh*t today.

It was the most refreshing interaction at one of those pressers in a long time.
In fairness by both parties, Paul’s question was reasonable enough but so was the answer imo.

JP100

Turtwig wrote: »

Nobody said the regulators are infallible. What I will say though is your expectations of the regulators are completely unrealistic.

The only expectation I have of the regulators is for them to stop sitting on their hands. We have always been completely behind the curve in moving with actual real time data throughout this pandemic. We saw this with masks, we saw it with ventilation and now we are seeing it in making any change to the cohorts allocated for Astrazeneca.

Faugheen

Russman wrote: »

It was the most refreshing interaction at one of those pressers in a long time.
In fairness by both parties, Paul’s question was reasonable enough but so was the answer imo.

Yep it was on both counts

For those who didn’t see it:

https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1380224867673444357?s=21

lee_baby_simms

lee_baby_simms wrote: »

He basically said that the damage that’s been done to livelihoods is due to the virus and not due to NPHET.

NPHET advise level 5 lockdown > government adopt these measures > half a million livelihoods are affected.

Glynn can flap all he wants, NPHET are partially culpable.

Sanjuro

Knine wrote: »

Maybe they should have not broadcast that schools were safe!

One ' Anecote' as you put it has affected at the very least 40 people! Lets just hope there are no fatalities from that!

Yeah, I'll take the advice of a panel of scientists and experts over some randomer on the Internet, thanks.

Knine

Sanjuro wrote: »

Yeah, I'll take the advice of a panel of scientists and experts over some randomer on the Internet, thanks.

What are you doing posting here so?

Will the Experts be home schooling all the very vulnerable students next week?

Faugheen

[Deleted User] wrote: »

NPHET advise level 5 lockdown > government adopt these measures > half a million livelihoods are affected.

Glynn can flap all he wants, NPHET are partially culpable.

NPHET advise mandatory quarantine and retroactive contact tracing > government doesn’t listen > NPHET forced to recommend level 5 lockdown again when things go out of control.

NPHET do the job they’re set up to do. Government make the decisions. They’ve chosen to ignore NPHET for the best part of a year and hide behind them when it goes tits up.

Jim_Hodge

Deleted User wrote: »

0.008% of the population is getting infected each day.

Therefore, 99.992% of the population are justified in arguing for restrictions to be eased, fast.

At every opportunity.....


Think about why the infection rate has dropped to this level - all the factors.

pjohnson

Faugheen wrote: »

NPHET advise mandatory quarantine and retroactive contact tracing > government doesn’t listen > NPHET forced to recommend level 5 lockdown again when things go out of control.

NPHET do the job they’re set up to do. Government make the decisions. They’ve chosen to ignore NPHET for the best part of a year and hide behind them when it goes tits up.

Dont know why people keep trying to claim NPHET are controlling everything. Its a very strange way of trying to clear the Government of any blame for mistakes they made.

lee_baby_simms

[Deleted User] wrote: »

NPHET advise level 5 lockdown > government adopt these measures > half a million livelihoods are affected.

Glynn can flap all he wants, NPHET are partially culpable.

Partially? We’ve had the harshest lockdown in Europe in spite of having the youngest population. Who is primarily responsible for that conservative strategy?

pjohnson

lee_baby_simms wrote: »

Partially? We’ve had the harshest lockdown in Europe in spite of having the youngest population. Who is primarily responsible for that conservative strategy?

Michael Martin/Leo Varadkar/Eamon Ryan


How do people still not understand what NPHET do and dont do.

crossman47

Well done to Dr. Glynn for telling it like it is. he must be sick to the back teeth of unjustified criticism.

caveat emptor

Deleted User wrote: »

NPHET advise level 5 lockdown > government adopt these measures > half a million livelihoods are affected.

Glynn can flap all he wants, NPHET are partially culpable.

Yeah and we had quite a few deaths even with this massive amount of unemployment.

Imagine how many people would have died had we carried on as normal.

Based on the below chart if we had no restrictions like Brazil, on a per capita basis we would have had ~8500 deaths as opposed to the 4732 deaths.

Probably more given that hospitals were already at capacity.

It's a real moral dilemma but without level 5 it would have been carnage.

is_that_so

Faugheen wrote: »

NPHET advise mandatory quarantine and retroactive contact tracing > government doesn’t listen > NPHET forced to recommend level 5 lockdown again when things go out of control.

NPHET don't test the HSE do and they were pulled up more than once in April and May last year for getting pushy on targets, so much so that letters were sent. The previous government were no fans of mandatory quarantine and used the low traffic numbers and positivity rates to justify it. Our cases came from failures to protect CHs, funerals, GAA and soccer carry on and far too much socialising, not travel.

PTH2009

How come Hospitality industry in Ireland was targeted by NPHET compared to advisors in other countries ?

Dr Tony went rouge and told people not to go to restaurants back in December only a few days after the Government announced they were allowed . It's always getting blamed for spikes in the numbers and we saw how it is still a target even though its been closed

mloc123

crossman47 wrote: »

Well done to Dr. Glynn for telling it like it is. he must be sick to the back teeth of unjustified criticism.

It seems to be that he and Houlihan have different views on where they fit into the equation. I like Glynn, he seems to understand it is his role to advise the government on how to limit public health issues... It is then their decision to make.

Houlihan on the other hand seems to think he should be much more involved in shaping those political decisions... Not just advising.

Faugheen

is_that_so wrote: »

NPHET don't test the HSE do and they were pulled up more than once in April and May last year for getting pushy on targets, so much so that letters were sent. The previous government were no fans of mandatory quarantine and used the low traffic numbers and positivity rates to justify it. Our cases came from failures to protect CHs, funerals, GAA and soccer carry on and far too much socialising, not travel.

NPHET don't test but they made that recommendation in August, when the HSE should have its testing regimes in place. But no, it was typical nonsense from the HSE following the general 'be grand' line instead of actually being ambitious in in expanding its test and trace capacity.

Look what happened because there was no MHQ as recommended last May. B117 is now rampant.

People make fun of NPHET about being too cautious but nearly everything they predicted would happen has happened, and that is down to gross negligience from the government.

wadacrack

caveat emptor wrote: »

Yeah and we had quite a few deaths even with this massive amount of unemployment.

Imagine how many people would have died had we carried on as normal.

Based on the below chart if we had no restrictions like Brazil, on a per capita basis we would have had ~8500 deaths as opposed to the 4732 deaths.

Probably more given that hospitals were already at capacity.

It's a real moral dilemma but without level 5 it would have been carnage.

NPHET havent got everything right but this chart is important to remember and understand where they are coming from in regards to public health. The Government has been more culpable of very obvious error's and lies to the public. I hope theirs some support for people going forward. Their will be alot of resentment and anger with many cohorts of people for years after this. Particularly the 25-35 age group which I think is understandable.

is_that_so

Faugheen wrote: »

NPHET don't test but they made that recommendation in August, when the HSE should have its testing regimes in place. But no, it was typical nonsense from the HSE following the general 'be grand' line instead of actually being ambitious in in expanding its test and trace capacity.

Look what happened because there was no MHQ as recommended last May. B117 is now rampant.

People make fun of NPHET about being too cautious but nearly everything they predicted would happen has happened, and that is down to gross negligience from the government.

They have no power over the HSE. I was mostly supportive of NPHET but there has been some very dogmatic stuff coming out of them at times, culminating in that mess in October, which they too played their own part in. Since then there has been a teeny bit more humility and a recognition that they are there to advise. If things go as hoped we will also see the end of it soon.

Not sure what B.1.117 has to do with last May as the current VOCs really only emerged in around December.

patnor1011

Hạ Long Bay wrote: »

It's a bit unclear from your post are you trying to say that the current CV19 vaccines are not trialed and tested?

Their development, trial and testing were not even close to what is a norm or average with any other vaccine.
They are new, there was not a single corona virus vaccine developed so far. Some of them are experimental gene therapy and not a vaccine per definition of vaccine. They also skipped animal trials and long term effect studies.
In case you do not know long term studies are being conducted right now and are scheduled to finish some time next year.

stephenjmcd

patnor1011 wrote: »

Their development, trial and testing were not even close to what is a norm or average with any other vaccine.
They are new, there was not a single corona virus vaccine developed so far. Some of them are experimental gene therapy and not a vaccine per definition of vaccine. They also skipped animal trials and long term effect studies.
In case you do not know long term studies are being conducted right now and are scheduled to finish some time next year.

Probably more for the vaccine thread but that is false.

Animal trials were not skipped.The vaccines were tested on mice and macaques.

All phases of trials have been conducted and are being conducted. Phase 4 of trials is mass rollout and real time monitoring, which is what is happening now.

caveat emptor

niallo27 wrote: »

Why are you comparing level 5 restrictions to Brazil, you do know there are levels in between. Why did you pick one of the worst countries in the world. Anyone can make a graph to prove their point. Its embarrassing at this stage, anyway I thought we were told we would have over a 100k deaths if we went on as normal.

Because people we speaking about 500K unemployed. Levels in-between include various levels of unemployment.

Going for a Brazilian type approach also has downsides.

Faugheen

is_that_so wrote: »

They have no power over the HSE.

They’ve no power over anyone.