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Covid 19 Part XXXIV-249,437 ROI(4,906 deaths) 120,195 NI (2,145 deaths)(01/05)Read OP

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  • Registered Users Posts: 728 ✭✭✭PmMeUrDogs


    Messi19 wrote: »
    I'd isolate until your family member gets the test results back. Are you WFH or actually attending work? Would you be comfortable with the idea of spreading covid when you knew you could isolate?

    I'm attending work in person.

    The guilt trip isn't necessary, I already said I'm happy to isolate if it's needed. I'm luckily off for a few days anyway but have already informed my boss I may need to be off longer.

    I wasn't aware contacts of contacts are now told to self isolate though, and can't find anything about it online so was seeking clarity because as much as I'd happily take time off work, I've got bills and no illness benefit will cause problems.


  • Registered Users Posts: 13,845 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    hmmm wrote: »
    You'll know from the vaccine thread that the current vaccines are still well above the line which provides protection against the variants you mention. The only indication that any of them may not was a very weak South African study of the Oxford vaccine which had a number of flaws, every other study has shown good effectiveness - and 100% protection against severe disease.

    We are imposing a huge cost on the country with little proper justification or scrutiny. I can't find a list of who is on the committee which is deciding what countries will be blocked, and what criteria they are using to decide this.

    I know de Gascun was worried enough about the variants to discuss it yesterday at the briefing .
    Yes , our present vaccines are good but we are not there yet , and many high risk people left cannot afford to have any messing around with vaccines not working as they should.
    We may end up with reinfections and also people having toendure restrictions for much longer . Why?
    For a few months guarding our borders, which should have been happening since last September , it is not a huge cost if it works .
    Look at the cost of the last 4 months!
    I don't think or agree with it going on beyond the mid to late Summer , by which time we should be able to really start getting back to normal .


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,014 ✭✭✭✭Corholio


    hmmm wrote: »
    I don't mean to be rude, but it's very easy to say that when you're not affected.

    Those 400 new cases we have every day could give rise to a future variant, but there's no suggestion that they should have to quarantine even though they are carrying the disease. We can't do this because there'd be outrage, but it's very easy to impose this cost on Irish people who have to travel or foreigners trying to get into the country.

    Interesting point. The mentions of the Brazilian and SA variant already here, why aren't those who have contracted those here made to quarantine rather than just told to? It should be more of a 'concern'. There's people with no sign of disease locked up for 14 days, but people able to walk around with these variants even after testing positive. Incredibly restrictive with one thing but half handed with another.


  • Registered Users Posts: 198 ✭✭zebastein


    Jim_Hodge wrote: »
    Unfortunately people are twisting arguments to get what just suits them. Like someone planning to be married in France in 2 weeks will have huge issues with hotel quarantine with France on the list. Vested interest leads to poor posting.

    If you are talking about me, I am in favour of things that are not in my interest. I am in favour of non essential travel, even if it means I have not seen my family for a year. I am in favour of requesting PCR tests even if I have to pay 100e. I am in favour of having all my hobbies stopped when the case numbers are high.

    But I consider that hotel quarantine has no interest because the rules are inconsistent between countries, but also between the rules for covid positive in the community and travel related rules.
    Some laws are enforced with the army, some basic rules are not enforced at all. I did 2weeks home quarantine after Christmas, there was no PCR test and nobody ever checked anything. There is probably some middle ground between leaving anybody enter without any check and being escorted by armed forces as if you were going to hijack the shuttle bus.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,977 ✭✭✭TheDoctor


    Jim_Hodge wrote: »
    I suppose it depends on your definition of short-term. We declared a state of emergency in 1939 because of world war 2: the state of emergency itself was not rescinded until 1 September 1976

    Hold firm

    The next three decades are crucial


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  • Registered Users Posts: 13,845 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    hmmm wrote: »
    How can it be a short-term measure if the concern is about future variants?

    2 variants in particular, P1and B1531. You know this hmmm.
    In Ireland now ,and 9 and 13 cases,rising slowly each week . Can't find index cases.
    As per de Gascun yesterday .


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,977 ✭✭✭TheDoctor


    Hospital numbers at 8pm

    Total 200 (down from 209 last night)
    ICU 51 (down from 53 last night - 2 deaths)


    Last Friday
    Total 232
    ICU 60


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,904 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    PmMeUrDogs wrote: »
    I'm attending work in person.

    The guilt trip isn't necessary, I already said I'm happy to isolate if it's needed. I'm luckily off for a few days anyway but have already informed my boss I may need to be off longer.

    I wasn't aware contacts of contacts are now told to self isolate though, and can't find anything about it online so was seeking clarity because as much as I'd happily take time off work, I've got bills and no illness benefit will cause problems.

    You only need to isolate until the result (usually a day) then you carry in is negative or isolate and have a test as a close contact if positive. It's hopefully only a day. If it's a positive then you've no choice really.


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,014 ✭✭✭✭Corholio


    Goldengirl wrote: »
    2 variants in particular, P1and B1531. You know this hmmm.
    In Ireland now ,and 9 and 13 cases,rising slowly each week . Can't find index cases.
    As per de Gascun yesterday .

    Are the people here already with those variants put into mandatory quarantine? They are obviously a big concern right, so you'd think so?


  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,688 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    Goldengirl wrote: »
    2 variants in particular, P1and B1531. You know this hmmm.
    In Ireland now ,and 9 and 13 cases,rising slowly each week . Can't find index cases.
    As per de Gascun yesterday .

    And the current vaccines have been shown to be effective against them?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 11,205 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    Goldengirl wrote: »
    2 variants in particular, P1and B1531. You know this hmmm.
    In Ireland now ,and 9 and 13 cases,rising slowly each week . Can't find index cases.
    As per de Gascun yesterday .
    Israel had no issue with these variants, but appeared on the list. Whatever mysterious criteria is being used to decide which countries are blocked, it's not those two variants.


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,205 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    I'm sure by the way there is very hard-working and genuine people working to create this list, and it's hard to see criticism when you're doing your best. But it's is unclear what criteria is being used, and for such a significant decision the public need to be informed and there needs to be a proper debate as to whether it is appropriate considering the costs.

    It seems to be some combination of:
    - SA & Brazilian variants
    - Fear of future variants
    - Countries with high rates of transmission

    None of those stack up for me as justifying extra measures over and above the existing test and quarantine requirements.


  • Registered Users Posts: 744 ✭✭✭Messi19


    PmMeUrDogs wrote: »
    I'm attending work in person.

    The guilt trip isn't necessary, I already said I'm happy to isolate if it's needed. I'm luckily off for a few days anyway but have already informed my boss I may need to be off longer.

    I wasn't aware contacts of contacts are now told to self isolate though, and can't find anything about it online so was seeking clarity because as much as I'd happily take time off work, I've got bills and no illness benefit will cause problems.

    In my job, if anyone at home is awaiting a test then you're out until they test negative. It's probably an extra step but it should be widespread.

    If the guilt trip wasn't necessary then why ask the question in the first place?


  • Registered Users Posts: 728 ✭✭✭PmMeUrDogs


    Jim_Hodge wrote: »
    You only need to isolate until the result (usually a day) then you carry in is negative or isolate and have a test as a close contact if positive. It's hopefully only a day. If it's a positive then you've no choice really.

    Thank you, that's exactly what I was looking for. The gp didn't clarify if it was until the second negative or first.

    Obviously if it's positive then I'll do the 14 days, these things have to be done. But if it's negative, then a few days isn't a problem.


  • Registered Users Posts: 728 ✭✭✭PmMeUrDogs


    Messi19 wrote: »
    In my job, if anyone at home is awaiting a test then you're out until they test negative. It's probably an extra step but it should be widespread.

    If the guilt trip wasn't necessary then why ask the question in the first place?

    It should be widespread, makes sense.


    I was pretty clear in why I was asking, and I was pretty clear in saying in my op and again after that I've no problem isolating if it's necessary.


  • Registered Users Posts: 198 ✭✭zebastein


    Irish Times this evening :
    "A decision was also taken to remove Israel, Albania, and St Lucia from the list of countries for mandatory hotel quarantine. However the government agreed that anyone currently in mandatory quarantine who has travelled from or through these states must complete their period of quarantine."

    So the Israeli nurse has to stay 12days in quarantine but people coming from Israel tomorrow are free?

    Or if this is valid on the 15th, people entering on the 14th are stuck until the 26rd April in an hotel, but people arriving on the 15th are free?


  • Registered Users Posts: 13,845 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    hmmm wrote: »
    I don't mean to be rude, but it's very easy to say that when you're not affected.

    Those 400 new cases we have every day could give rise to a future variant, but there's no suggestion that they should have to quarantine even though they are carrying the disease. We can't do this because there'd be outrage, but it's very easy to impose this cost on Irish people who have to travel or foreigners trying to get into the country.


    Of course they quarantine , at home . Because they are already at home and therefore less likely to have picked up one of the two variants thatare the problem .
    And it does affect me, like everyone else here .
    We have had a nightmare in the not so distant past and if we get an increase in infections with a variant that could have been prevented by MHQ nobody is best served.


  • Registered Users Posts: 13,845 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Corholio wrote: »
    Are the people here already with those variants put into mandatory quarantine? They are obviously a big concern right, so you'd think so?

    Public health visit them yes and ensure they are .


  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,688 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    Goldengirl wrote: »
    Public health visit them yes and ensure they are .

    Really? One poster on here and four of their family/bubble had the Sa variant and were informed by phone

    No mention of visits


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,484 ✭✭✭prunudo


    TheDoctor wrote: »
    Hospital numbers at 8pm

    Total 200 (down from 209 last night)
    ICU 51 (down from 53 last night - 2 deaths)


    Last Friday
    Total 232
    ICU 60

    Still going the right way. Although reading the thread tonight it feels like we've still a long way to go before any sort of normality returns.
    Even with the prospect of easing of restrictions on Monday, the mood seems more gloomy than it should.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 412 ✭✭Vanhalla


    What a spinless bunch of pathetic politicians we have. This has really shown them up.
    I don't like criticizing the government for everything, but this is on them.
    Closing down the country to Europe and US. Are they serious. A vaccination program underway.
    It's embarrassing how pathetic our politicians are.
    They are sitting back letting a bunch of arrogant civil servants run the country.
    Who the **** am I supposed to vote for. A centre left voter?.
    Every politician seems to be just going populist woke leftie shyte. The shinners have it all wrapped up tho.
    Christ, ppl are morons.
    You would think there would be someone out there trying to appeal to the centre voter but no.

    We are a pathetic nation really at times. Why are business not out protesting. I just don't get it. But yet when you look at the water charges protests!
    They weren't center voters tho, they were knacker shinner voters. The middle class stay quiet of course so the silent majority lose.

    I moved home a couple of years ago to be closer to the family. I regretted it at the time but this has pushed me over the edge. I'll be out of here after this is done.

    I'm so angry over the **** that has gone down in the last few months.
    And as for the media! RTE. God help us.


  • Registered Users Posts: 13,845 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Stheno wrote: »
    And the current vaccines have been shown to be effective against them?

    Yes , they are .
    They are listed as of concern because they do cause a moderate reduction in effectiveness and can affect neutralising antibodies so making reinfection more possible .
    Vaccines still effective against severe illness and death which is the main thing.
    Pfizer have developed a new adaptation of the vaccine which will take another6 months before being approved which will be more effective .


  • Registered Users Posts: 13,845 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    hmmm wrote: »
    Israel had no issue with these variants, but appeared on the list. Whatever mysterious criteria is being used to decide which countries are blocked, it's not those two variants.

    Yes I agree ...that is strange :rolleyes:


  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,688 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    Goldengirl wrote: »
    Yes , they are .
    They are listed as of concern because they do cause a moderate reduction in effectiveness and can affect neutralising antibodies so making reinfection more possible .
    Vaccines still effective against severe illness and death which is the main thing.
    Pfizer have developed a new adaptation of the vaccine which will take another6 months before being approved which will be more effective .

    So that doesn't really tell me why we have MHQ

    Unless its down again to hospital capacity

    I work with colleagues across the globe, they cannot believe what is happening here tbh


  • Registered Users Posts: 13,845 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    hmmm wrote: »
    I'm sure by the way there is very hard-working and genuine people working to create this list, and it's hard to see criticism when you're doing your best. But it's is unclear what criteria is being used, and for such a significant decision the public need to be informed and there needs to be a proper debate as to whether it is appropriate considering the costs.

    Fair enough . That way politics won't enter into what is, after all, a public health measure .


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,615 ✭✭✭MerlinSouthDub


    zebastein wrote: »
    Irish Times this evening :
    "However the government agreed that anyone currently in mandatory quarantine who has travelled from or through these states must complete their period of quarantine."

    I cannot find words to describe how completely stupidly stupid that is. I’ve definitely somehow ended up inside a George Orwell novel.


  • Registered Users Posts: 13,845 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Stheno wrote: »
    So that doesn't really tell me why we have MHQ

    Unless its down again to hospital capacity

    I work with colleagues across the globe, they cannot believe what is happening here tbh

    It has taken sooo long to set it up it has almost outrun its usefulness , tbh.
    They were expecting a surge 2 weeks ago,with Easter coming and schoolchildren going back ,so even though it was less necessary now than at Christmas it went ahead.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Goldengirl wrote: »
    Yes , they are .
    They are listed as of concern because they do cause a moderate reduction in effectiveness and can affect neutralising antibodies so making reinfection more possible .
    Vaccines still effective against severe illness and death which is the main thing.
    Pfizer have developed a new adaptation of the vaccine which will take another6 months before being approved which will be more effective .

    And that is why I think we now have MHQ for the foreseeable future. Well into next year, if not longer. And the variants will still get in, of course, as this limited MHQ is not zero Covid (what with truckers, essential travel, land border, UK travel). We are doing something that has a substantial cost that will not achieve what people think it will achieve (except that it will appease the Twitter mob). And I think it is naive to think it will be done away with this year


  • Posts: 6,025 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    And yet the usual sycophants on here are falling over themselves to defend the latest nonsense from our incompetent government.

    My wife is beside me in tears because she doesn't know when she'll get to see her family. Despite the fact she'll soon be fully vaccinated. Anyone defending this can go fúck themselves.

    Im really angry myself today. My partner was told they had a low grade cancer just before christmas. Blood tests in last few weeks show things have progressed. Waiting on MRI and further biopsies. Rang hospital regarding appointment when we didnt hear anything after Doctors call last week. Appointments office said it would be months getting an appointment, due to poxy Covid.
    Now what makes me so damn angry is, my Father in law, got his first vaccine recently and is due second one shortly, and Im wondering, will I be left with out my partner, due to cancer getting worse over next few months, and will I be instead left with a healthy 80 year old vaccinated FIIL????

    I feel like my partner is being scarificed so the elderly parent can live . I know we cant have the elderly dying, but by jaysus we do need the HSE to get their **** together and remember all the other major health issues

    :mad:


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  • Registered Users Posts: 11,205 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    I cannot find words to describe how completely stupidly stupid that is. I’ve definitely somehow ended up inside a George Orwell novel.
    Israel obviously pulled off some sort of miracle in 4 days to turn their Covid situation around.

    The government has had to take some difficult decisions and I've supported them, but not this one. This is a shambles, undemocratic, a mistake and one I think we will regret.


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