Covid 19 Part XXXIV-249,437 ROI(4,906 deaths) 120,195 NI (2,145 deaths)(01/05)Read OP

Deeper Blue

Banana Republic 1 wrote: »

It’s the South African strain also in Turkey. It why Germany closed its free movement border with Poland the other day

There's no mention of the South African strain in the Hungary article.

Also any evidence of your claim about Turkey? Any articles I've seen say it's the UK variant that's most prevalent there.

Drumpot

yourdeadwright wrote: »

At this stage the only number that should be the amount people hospitalized each day m

Reporting the number of positive tests is absolutely useless,
As iv said here before over Christmas I had 8 family members test positive not one even had a sniffle, they ranged from 11 months to 74 years of age , nothing not a cough sniffle nothing , What the point in adding them to the numbers ,

The problem isn’t the daily numbers, it’s that some people allow themselves to get absorbed in the news and when it affects how they feel instead of switching it off they get angry with it. This aversion to news because it’s not good or positive news really is a dangerous thing. The amount of people testing positive is relevant to everybody. The more information we have the better we can manage the situation and the more likely more people will even be that bit more careful. While it’s not nice to have to be on our guard all the time the fact is the numbers are still very high relative to anytime before Christmas so as a population we need to be more alert.

CIARAN_BOYLE

yourdeadwright wrote: »

At this stage the only number that should be the amount people hospitalized each day m

Reporting the number of positive tests is absolutely useless,
As iv said here before over Christmas I had 8 family members test positive not one even had a sniffle, they ranged from 11 months to 74 years of age , nothing not a cough sniffle nothing , What the point in adding them to the numbers ,

Case numbers make a decent predictor of hospitals admissions in 10 to 14 days time (and therefore hospital discharges in just less than 4 weeks time).

The formula has ro change a bit due to vaccinations which is nice but annoying for those of who are amateur modelers but there's still a link.

covidrelease

yourdeadwright wrote: »

At this stage the only number that should be the amount people hospitalized each day m

But that includes those that caught it in hospital, who may not even have symptoms, how many more are sent in "as a precaution" how many more are over the worst of it but not quite ready to go home yet.

I'd hone on the ICU numbers TBH.

Renault 5

"In keeping with the zero-wastage policy, a decision was made to administer the left-over vaccine to teachers who were in a position to get to the Centre within the exceptionally short timeframe required," it added.

Beacon Hospital Chief Executive Micheal Cullen said he recognised the decision made "was not in line with the sequencing guidelines in place from the HSE, however it was made under time pressure and with a view to ensuring that the vaccine did not go to waste.

covidrelease

Kivaro wrote: »

Until Brazil (and similar countries) gets it act in order, there should be a blanket ban on all visitors from that country going anywhere else in the world.

What about when one of these new strains is 3 times more contagious but 80% less dangerous, surely that is the one for us, why are people always assuming the strain from a far away country will be much worse.

Elessar

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

Case numbers make a decent predictor of hospitals admissions in 10 to 14 days time (and therefore hospital discharges in just less than 4 weeks time).

The formula has ro change a bit due to vaccinations which is nice but annoying for those of who are amateur modelers but there's still a link.

Apparently Glynn mentioned that vaccinations won't have such an effect until 40-50% of the adult population are vaccinated. And they've told government that even with all the vulnerable vaccinated, every 1000 cases would still lead to 35 additional hospitalisations, which is not sustainable.

Lucas Hood

Renault 5 wrote: »

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Were all teachers coincidentally in the school late in the evening?

I'm doubting the validity of this excuse. I'd say your man put them aside for the teachers.

Theboinkmaster

NPHET should just be allowed weekly press conferences now, with 7 day averages used only.

covidrelease

Elessar wrote: »

Apparently Glynn mentioned that vaccinations won't have such an effect until 40-50% of the adult population are vaccinated. And they've told government that even with all the vulnerable vaccinated, every 1000 cases would still lead to 35 additional hospitalisations, which is not sustainable.

They also said level 5 restrictions would have us about 100-200 cases a day by now.

They also preach to everybody to work from home and "do just a little bit more" yet persist in turning up on stuff like the late late show in person rather than on zoom.

They have yet to explain why they must hold 2-3 press conferences a week in person rather than on zoom.

covidrelease

Theboinkmaster wrote: »

NPHET should just be allowed weekly press conferences now, with 7 day averages used only.

Or the numbers should be released at a fixed time every day, say 5.30, and the press conference at say 6.30.

The clowns are almost holding back the numbers until their conference to try and suck people into watching.

Renault 5

Lucas Hood wrote: »

Were all teachers coincidentally in the school late in the evening?

I'm doubting the validity of this excuse. I'd say your man put them aside for the teachers.

Well it seems the following schools where not good enough for Chief Executive Micheal Cullen

is_that_so

covidrelease wrote: »

They also said level 5 restrictions would have us about 100-200 cases a day by now.

They also preach to everybody to work from home and "do just a little bit more" yet persist in turning up on stuff like the late late show in person rather than on zoom.

They have yet to explain why they must hold 2-3 press conferences a week in person rather than on zoom.

Those projections were based on the more rapid rate of decline in cases seen at that point in time. He also predicted we'd be at 200-400. Now we're static or disimproving so we'll be lucky to get under 500 a day as Leo suggested. With the new walk-ins they are looking at other possible ways to identify and track more cases.

DaSilva

The Brazil hate in here is ridiculous now, they are cursed for being both a wealthy and free enough society to sequence the virus but poor and undeveloped enough to not really be able to achieve suppression.

The knuckle dragging mouth breathers in here though think we should lock them up despite the fact that what is happening in Brazil is happening all around the world just we don't hear about it.

Brazil population: 213,662,874
EU population: 447,706,209

Brazil total cases: 12,324,765
EU total cases: 25,220,376

Brazil total deaths: 303,726
EU total deaths: 592 929

Brazil source of new variants: Yes
EU source of new variants: Yes

CIARAN_BOYLE

Elessar wrote: »

Apparently Glynn mentioned that vaccinations won't have such an effect until 40-50% of the adult population are vaccinated. And they've told government that even with all the vulnerable vaccinated, every 1000 cases would still lead to 35 additional hospitalisations, which is not sustainable.

I would want to know what definition of vulnerable he is using there. 35 admissions per 1000 cases is pretty high.

At the moment we are around 45-50 admissions per 1000 cases. Iirc it was around 50-55 admissions per 1000 cases last year

I would have thought if a broad definition of vulnerable is used that we should see 20 or less admissions per 1000 cases once the vulnerable are vaccinated.

covidrelease

is_that_so wrote: »

Those projections were based on the more rapid rate of decline in cases seen at that point in time. He also predicted we'd be at 200-400. Now we're static or disimproving so we'll be lucky to get under 500 a day as Leo suggested. With the new walk-ins they are looking at other possible ways to identify and track more cases.

Indeed, and they incompetently believed people would continue with the same level of high compliance when there are very few cases about.

Their "lockdown forever" and constant negativity mantra is causing cases to rise. People are sick of them.

Cases are rising due to failings across NPHET and the government.

covidrelease

DaSilva wrote: »

The Brazil hate in here is ridiculous now, they are cursed for being both a wealthy and free enough society to sequence the virus but poor and undeveloped enough to not really be able to achieve suppression.

The knuckle dragging mouth breathers in here though think we should lock them up despite the fact that what is happening in Brazil is happening all around the world just we don't hear about it.

Brazil population: 213,662,874
EU population: 447,706,209

Brazil total cases: 12,324,765
EU total cases: 25,220,376

Brazil total deaths: 303,726
EU total deaths: 592 929

Brazil source of new variants: Yes
EU source of new variants: Yes

I remember, back in the day, when the covideers were avoiding Chinese restaurants in Ireland, they will move on from the Brazilians to something else soon.

timmyntc

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

I would want to know what definition of vulnerable he is using there. 35 admissions per 1000 cases is pretty high.

At the moment we are around 45-50 admissions per 1000 cases. Iirc it was around 50-55 admissions per 1000 cases last year

I would have thought if a broad definition of vulnerable is used that we should see 20 or less admissions per 1000 cases once the vulnerable are vaccinated.

Vulnerable & those with underlying conditions make up ~60% of hospital admissions (data up to end of year 2020) link here

So if these people are vaccinated, surely we'd expect a fall down to 20 per 1000 or even lower as you said? 35 does seem very high

Multipass

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

I would want to know what definition of vulnerable he is using there. 35 admissions per 1000 cases is pretty high.

At the moment we are around 45-50 admissions per 1000 cases. Iirc it was around 50-55 admissions per 1000 cases last year

I would have thought if a broad definition of vulnerable is used that we should see 20 or less admissions per 1000 cases once the vulnerable are vaccinated.

The type of hospital treatment required matters too. Only a fraction will need ventilators. If most need oxygen and monitoring there shouldn’t be much problem increasing capacity.

marno21

covidrelease wrote: »

They also said level 5 restrictions would have us about 100-200 cases a day by now.

They also preach to everybody to work from home and "do just a little bit more" yet persist in turning up on stuff like the late late show in person rather than on zoom.

They have yet to explain why they must hold 2-3 press conferences a week in person rather than on zoom.

Level 5 restrictions in Cork have got us to a point where we would have around 140 cases per day if you extrapolate it out nationally. Cork has all the main drivers of outbreaks too. Plenty of other counties with similar low levels, Kilkenny, Kerry etc.

This is a point that there is no emphasis on from NPHET or Government for some reason.

Why does Level 5 work in Cork but not Offaly?

funnydoggy

marno21 wrote: »

Level 5 restrictions in Cork have got us to a point where we would have around 140 cases per day if you extrapolate it out nationally. Cork has all the main drivers of outbreaks too. Plenty of other counties with similar low levels, Kilkenny, Kerry etc.

This is a point that there is no emphasis on from NPHET or Government for some reason.

Why does Level 5 work in Cork but not Offaly?

'cos we're f*cking class

CIARAN_BOYLE

marno21 wrote: »

Level 5 restrictions in Cork have got us to a point where we would have around 140 cases per day if you extrapolate it out nationally. Cork has all the main drivers of outbreaks too. Plenty of other counties with similar low levels, Kilkenny, Kerry etc.

This is a point that there is no emphasis on from NPHET or Government for some reason.

Why does Level 5 work in Cork but not Offaly?

A few weeks ago there was an article in one of the papers saying a quarter of all fines for breaching covid regulations were handed out in Cork and Kerry.

This suggests that they are enforcing regulations a lot better and that this has driven up compliance.

yourdeadwright

Is it true the vaccine can only be administered now ( trials should be longer) because its a emergency ?
Does that mean if lockdown ends its no longer and emergency and they can't vaccinate ?

Or is that total nonsense someone made up online ,

lawred2

Drumpot wrote: »

The problem isn’t the daily numbers, it’s that some people allow themselves to get absorbed in the news and when it affects how they feel instead of switching it off they get angry with it. This aversion to news because it’s not good or positive news really is a dangerous thing. The amount of people testing positive is relevant to everybody. The more information we have the better we can manage the situation and the more likely more people will even be that bit more careful. While it’s not nice to have to be on our guard all the time the fact is the numbers are still very high relative to anytime before Christmas so as a population we need to be more alert.

Well when the daily numbers form the basis for decisions by government I think they are very much the problem

Mimon

covidrelease wrote: »

The new variant yarn is getting a bit boring now, hard to get traction in the media, time to come up with something new to scare people.

Off the top of my head I've seen Cheltenham super spreader events, Dame Lane, Kowasaki disease, takeaway pints in Cork, long covid, babies being stillborn thrown out to scare people.

There are many more examples of this fearmongering but thankfully most people have now tuned out.

You should have taken the other pill, the red/blue one or whatever one you took has you paranoid.

Stheno

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Is it true the vaccine can only be administered now ( trials should be longer) because its a emergency ?
Does that mean if lockdown ends its no longer and emergency and they can't vaccinate ?

Or is that total nonsense someone made up online ,

The latter

lawred2

Lucas Hood wrote: »

Were all teachers coincidentally in the school late in the evening?

I'm doubting the validity of this excuse. I'd say your man put them aside for the teachers.

Grade A horse manure

funnydoggy

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Is it true the vaccine can only be administered now ( trials should be longer) because its a emergency ?
Does that mean if lockdown ends its no longer and emergency and they can't vaccinate ?

Or is that total nonsense someone made up online ,

How do you mean?

CIARAN_BOYLE

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Is it true the vaccine can only be administered now ( trials should be longer) because its a emergency ?
Does that mean if lockdown ends its no longer and emergency and they can't vaccinate ?

Or is that total nonsense someone made up online ,

The ema granted conditional marketing authorisation.

This does not have any requirement for it to be an emergency.

The UK granted emergency use authorisation. This does require emergency conditions of some sort as far as I know. Emergency does not mean lock down. A pandemic counts as an emergency.

lawred2

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

The ema granted conditional marketing authorisation.

This does not have any requirement for it to be an emergency.

The UK granted emergency use authorisation. This does require emergency conditions of some sort as far as I know. Emergency does not mean lock down. A pandemic counts as an emergency.

Have the UK not granted marketing authorisation to AZ by now?

Surely emergency authorisation was just needed so they could get cracking in December!?