Covid 19 Part XXXIV-249,437 ROI(4,906 deaths) 120,195 NI (2,145 deaths)(01/05)Read OP

Normal One

Eod100 wrote: »

Had made 2 appeals actually.

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0411/1209125-court-quarantine/

He is fully vaccinated and has tested negative several times, including this morning.

What a disgusting way to treat an Irish citizen.

saabsaab

Eamon Ryan was on Newstalk earlier. Have to say he made sense re the current Covid situation here. He stated that a country (missed where) that had 40% vaccinations opened up too soon and had to bring in restrictions again as cases started to rise. Looks like we will have to get 50% plus before we start opening up again.

Stheno

saabsaab wrote: »

Eamon Ryan was on Newstalk earlier. Have to say he made sense re the current Covid situation here. He stated that a country (missed where) that had 40% vaccinations opened up too soon and had to bring in restrictions again as cases started to rise. Looks like we will have to get 50% plus before we start opening up again.

He was probably talking about Chile

They used the Chinese vaccines

marno21

saabsaab wrote: »

Eamon Ryan was on Newstalk earlier. Have to say he made sense re the current Covid situation here. He stated that a country (missed where) that had 40% vaccinations opened up too soon and had to bring in restrictions again as cases started to rise. Looks like we will have to get 50% plus before we start opening up again.

He’s talking out of his arse, as usual.

I presume he’s talking about Chile there. Chile are using the Sinovac vaccine, and mid rollout data shows that it has a 3% efficacy after one dose and a 56% efficacy after one dose.

One dose of Sinovac has similar efficacy levels to one dose of natural yogurt.

Thankfully the rollout here is ramping up with functional vaccines. They won’t be able to stop the easing of restrictions in 5-6 weeks.

saabsaab

marno21 wrote: »

He’s talking out of his arse, as usual.

I presume he’s talking about Chile there. Chile are using the Sinovac vaccine, and mid rollout data shows that it has a 3% efficacy after one dose and a 56% efficacy after one dose.

One dose of Sinovac has similar efficacy levels to one dose of natural yogurt.

Thankfully the rollout here is ramping up with functional vaccines. They won’t be able to stop the easing of restrictions in 5-6 weeks.

Is that a typo? I take the point that the Sinovac isn't as effective but it is an indicator of what could happen. Eamon did make sense especially re cheap flights being a thing of the past. We can't live the way we have been over the last 40 years wasting the resources and destroying our climate.

kk1970

Normal One wrote: »

He is fully vaccinated and has tested negative several times, including this morning.

What a disgusting way to treat an Irish citizen.

Not much point in getting a vaccine, if that's the way your going to be treated

Kiith

Normal One wrote: »

He is fully vaccinated and has tested negative several times, including this morning.

What a disgusting way to treat an Irish citizen.

Stopping a son from visiting his dying father, even after he's vaccinated and tested negative.

This is ****ing disgraceful.

saabsaab

kk1970 wrote: »

Not much point in getting a vaccine, if that's the way your going to be treated

That makes no sense. the vaccine is for much better reasons than travel.

jackboy

saabsaab wrote: »

Eamon did make sense especially re cheap flights being a thing of the past. We can't live the way we have been over the last 40 years wasting the resources and destroying our climate.

I disagree that cheap travel is a waste of resources. It enhances people’s lives.

We need to be ambitious, protect the environment and have cheap accessible travel.

Turtwig

Some 'vaccine bonus'.

Eod100

Kiith wrote: »

Stopping a son from visiting his dying father, even after he's vaccinated and tested negative.

This is ****ing disgraceful.

Hadn't seen hes vaccinated, makes even less sense. If the system doesn't have reasonable grounds for appeals then could potentially risk scrapping the whole thing. Needs to be some flexibility and room for common sense and empathy.

Away With The Fairies

kk1970 wrote: »

Not much point in getting a vaccine, if that's the way your going to be treated

Doesn't the vaccines prevent serious illness and deaths? They don't stop you from catching covid and they're not sure about transmission. It's great that he's vaccinated but most of us here are still waiting to be vaccinated.

is_that_so

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

Doesn't the vaccines prevent serious illness and deaths? They don't stop you from catching covid and they're not sure about transmission. It's great that he's vaccinated but most of us here are still waiting to be vaccinated.

If all of this is true then why are we looking at trusting vaccine certificates to free us?

Stheno

Eod100 wrote: »

Hadn't seen hes vaccinated, makes even less sense. If the system doesn't have reasonable grounds for appeals then could potentially risk scrapping the whole thing. Needs to be some flexibility and room for common sense and empathy.

From the Irish Times

Explaining why people “who claim to have been vaccinated” still need to quarantine when coming from high-risk states, she pointed out there was no international system that recognises vaccination certification.

“There needs to be an agreed method for people to show as proof of vaccination/immunity. The EU is looking at the issue of a ‘Digital Green Certificate’ at the moment. Ireland is actively engaging in the process.”

In addition, the epidemiological situation across Europe and worldwide is “much poorer” than in Ireland at present, she said.

There is also some evidence that vaccinated people have subsequently being diagnosed with a problematic Covid-19 variant.

It is too early to know if, or to what extent, vaccinated people may transmit the virus, she added.

The spokeswoman also pointed out the virus measures in Australia and New Zealand, including quarantine, apply to vaccinated people, while Israel is refusing entry to no-citizens and non-residents.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/covid-19-three-outbreaks-in-past-two-weeks-linked-to-overseas-flights-1.4534328?mode=amp

saabsaab

is_that_so wrote: »

If all of this is true then why are we looking at trusting vaccine certificates to free us?

When they are rolled out sufficiently. Why is that hard to accept?

is_that_so

saabsaab wrote: »

When they are rolled out sufficiently. Why is that hard to accept?

The planned rollout is June. There'll be nothing sufficient at that point. They'll be as useful as wet toilet paper.

Turtwig

Stheno wrote: »

From the Irish Times



https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/covid-19-three-outbreaks-in-past-two-weeks-linked-to-overseas-flights-1.4534328?mode=amp

This would make sense if he came from SA. Israel doesn't really have the SA variant. Their restrictions on entry to country may be a factor in that.

Stheno

Turtwig wrote: »

This would make sense if he came from SA. Israel doesn't really have the SA variant. Their restrictions on entry to country may be a factor in that.

Agreed

Think the criteria are a bit of a blunt instrument tbh and lacking nuance

saabsaab

is_that_so wrote: »

The planned rollout is June. There'll be nothing sufficient at that point. They'll be as useful as wet toilet paper.

I don't follow you.

Away With The Fairies

is_that_so wrote: »

If all of this is true then why are we looking at trusting vaccine certificates to free us?

I really don't know.

WoollyRedHat

A ski resort in Whistler, Canada has had a large breakout of the P1 variant, making Canada the biggest hotspot outside Brazil for it.

Pwindedd

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Sweden's mortality rate is 40% higher.

From COVID yes. But it’s not the only thing that people die of. It’s this blanket assumption that anyone who has a COVID death rate higher than ours has done worse and we sit here saying aren’t we great and patting ourselves on the back.

Is the death rate the only metric we have of measuring success ?

Years of debt repayments in front of us, undiagnosed illnesses that will probably kill just as many people as COVID has - picking up these in the early stages is generally known to provide the best outlook for any diagnosis - and a throughly depressed and apathetic nation for whom, in reality, life will not return to normal in any reasonable form this year.

It’s awful that people have died from this, and my heart goes out to anyone who has lost anyone to COVID.

And I’m probably going to get slaughtered for saying this but Spock was right.

“The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or the one”

is_that_so

saabsaab wrote: »

I don't follow you.

The EU is planning to have them ready up and running by June. We will have very few fully vaccinated at that point, so a somewhat pointless piece of paper.

saabsaab

WoollyRedHat wrote: »

A ski resort in Whistler, Canada has a large breakout of the P1 variant, making Canada the biggest hotspot outside Brazil for it.

Another list candidate then.

iamwhoiam

A school in Coolmine reminding parents that pupils must wear appropriate black .Talk about a disconnect from a principal who doest understand that shoes are the least of their worries at this moment in time .
Our junior school here was quick to ensure parents that runners and warm clothes were needed and uniforms only if possible and available

https://extra.ie/2021/04/09/news/irish-news/dublin-school-shoes-policy


Coolmine’s policy on shoes has been met with criticism given that non-essential retail and click-and-collect services are closed under Level 5 restrictions.

Despite this, the school said pupils wearing inappropriate attire may be sent home to ‘rectify’ their dress. ‘We appreciate the challenges that this can present in terms of budget and laundry as well as the closure of shops, so we are grateful to you for ensuring that your son/daughter is dressed appropriately each day,’ the letter stated.

lawred2

M_Murphy57 wrote: »

Half way through April and we are still only vaccinating 100k people a week. When is the "ramping up" to 250k people a week that we are "holding firm" for kicking in ?

The next two weeks are crucial

is_that_so

iamwhoiam wrote: »

A school in Coolmine reminding parents that pupils must wear appropriate black .Talk about a disconnect from a principal who doest understand that shoes are the least of their worries at this moment in time .
Our junior school here was quick to ensure parents that runners and warm clothes were needed and uniforms only if possible and available

https://extra.ie/2021/04/09/news/irish-news/dublin-school-shoes-policy


Coolmine’s policy on shoes has been met with criticism given that non-essential retail and click-and-collect services are closed under Level 5 restrictions.

Despite this, the school said pupils wearing inappropriate attire may be sent home to ‘rectify’ their dress. ‘We appreciate the challenges that this can present in terms of budget and laundry as well as the closure of shops, so we are grateful to you for ensuring that your son/daughter is dressed appropriately each day,’ the letter stated.

Is laughing the right response here? That is pretty absurd!

iamwhoiam

WoollyRedHat wrote: »

A ski resort in Whistler, Canada has a large breakout of the P1 variant, making Canada the biggest hotspot outside Brazil for it.

Whistler was doing great until the powers that be allowed people from Vancouver and BC to the ski slopes and into shops and restaurants there .The locals are furious over the influx of visitors allowed in

lawred2

Normal One wrote: »

He is fully vaccinated and has tested negative several times, including this morning.

What a disgusting way to treat an Irish citizen.

Moral compass completely lost at this stage

As for being led by the science... Give me a break.

saabsaab

2,000,000+ vaccinated by June end!