Covid 19 Part XXXIV-249,437 ROI(4,906 deaths) 120,195 NI (2,145 deaths)(01/05)Read OP

is_that_so

Another challenge to MHQ.

A man who flew home from Israel, when his terminally ill father collapsed and was taken to hospital, has begun High Court proceedings challenging his detention in quarantine.

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0411/1209125-court-quarantine/

Eod100

is_that_so wrote: »

Another challenge to MHQ.



https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0411/1209125-court-quarantine/

Not sure why there isn't already an exemption for cases like that with proof from a doctor say. The appeals process seems fairly vague as is.

Arturo Delgado

is_that_so wrote: »

Another challenge to MHQ.



https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0411/1209125-court-quarantine/

What's stopping him leaving the hotel? If his father is close to death the family will be called at any time. I wouldn't give two hoots about quarantine. Have they (government) considered this?

is_that_so

Eod100 wrote: »

Not sure why there isn't already an exemption for cases like that with proof from a doctor say. The appeals process seems fairly vague as is.

The impression you get is that an appeal will just be rejected out of hand. The system needs to be challenged for legality and robustness.

Eod100

Arturo Delgado wrote: »

What's stopping him leaving the hotel? If his father is close to death the family will be called at any time. I wouldn't give two hoots about quarantine. Have they (government) considered this?

Guess risk of being arrested and brought to court. Could in theory be out in bail but guess trying to do it legally to avoid all the hassle.

Eod100

is_that_so wrote: »

The impression you get is that an appeal will just be rejected out of hand. The system needs to be challenged for legality and robustness.

Yeah, they have this on the gov.ie detail about it.

The legislation does not prescribe a specific set of humanitarian reasons, the independent appeals officers will assess each application on its own merits and taking the prevailing public health guidance into account.

Very vague. Wonder if anyone has been granted one so far. May be that gov want people to take cases and concede on case by case but not everyone has the means to take one of course. Even harsher if he has already been vaccinated.

Boggerman12

CruelSummer wrote: »

If Anthony Staines is being given airtime on RTÉ radio right now, I hope he'll be questioned as to his tactics into misleading the Irish public.
Why are they trying to achieve the unachievable, who gave them unlimited airtime across all media platforms and silenced more moderate views.
ISAG have made a number of false claims in the last 12 months, including the percentage of children that end up with Long Covid, Gerry Killeen having recently made another false claim on radio.

Not a hope was he asked such questions.just let run away with long Covid,variants and ah maybe the autumn if we’re well behaved.the usual auld waffle from the fear mongering zero Covid fanatics.

DebDynamite

Happydays2020 wrote: »

So we can shake hands again but only outdoors?

I wonder will shaking hands with strangers be a thing of the past when things go back to normal?

CruelSummer

CruelSummer wrote: »

If Anthony Staines is being given airtime on RTÉ radio right now, I hope he'll be questioned as to his tactics into misleading the Irish public.
Why are they trying to achieve the unachievable, who gave them unlimited airtime across all media platforms and silenced more moderate views.
ISAG have made a number of false claims in the last 12 months, including the percentage of children that end up with Long Covid, Gerry Killeen having recently made another false claim on radio.

Very little chance of that happening, unfortunately. The story in Gript about that group and their emails passed by like a momentary gust of cold wind on a warm day.

Eod100

Had made 2 appeals actually.

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0411/1209125-court-quarantine/

fm

CruelSummer wrote: »

If Anthony Staines is being given airtime on RTÉ radio right now, I hope he'll be questioned as to his tactics into misleading the Irish public.
Why are they trying to achieve the unachievable, who gave them unlimited airtime across all media platforms and silenced more moderate views.
ISAG have made a number of false claims in the last 12 months, including the percentage of children that end up with Long Covid, Gerry Killeen having recently made another false claim on radio.[/quote

Is that the claim that 1 in 30 children with covid end up in hospital? ]

Normal One

Eod100 wrote: »

Had made 2 appeals actually.

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0411/1209125-court-quarantine/

He is fully vaccinated and has tested negative several times, including this morning.

What a disgusting way to treat an Irish citizen.

saabsaab

Eamon Ryan was on Newstalk earlier. Have to say he made sense re the current Covid situation here. He stated that a country (missed where) that had 40% vaccinations opened up too soon and had to bring in restrictions again as cases started to rise. Looks like we will have to get 50% plus before we start opening up again.

Stheno

saabsaab wrote: »

Eamon Ryan was on Newstalk earlier. Have to say he made sense re the current Covid situation here. He stated that a country (missed where) that had 40% vaccinations opened up too soon and had to bring in restrictions again as cases started to rise. Looks like we will have to get 50% plus before we start opening up again.

He was probably talking about Chile

They used the Chinese vaccines

marno21

saabsaab wrote: »

Eamon Ryan was on Newstalk earlier. Have to say he made sense re the current Covid situation here. He stated that a country (missed where) that had 40% vaccinations opened up too soon and had to bring in restrictions again as cases started to rise. Looks like we will have to get 50% plus before we start opening up again.

He’s talking out of his arse, as usual.

I presume he’s talking about Chile there. Chile are using the Sinovac vaccine, and mid rollout data shows that it has a 3% efficacy after one dose and a 56% efficacy after one dose.

One dose of Sinovac has similar efficacy levels to one dose of natural yogurt.

Thankfully the rollout here is ramping up with functional vaccines. They won’t be able to stop the easing of restrictions in 5-6 weeks.

saabsaab

marno21 wrote: »

He’s talking out of his arse, as usual.

I presume he’s talking about Chile there. Chile are using the Sinovac vaccine, and mid rollout data shows that it has a 3% efficacy after one dose and a 56% efficacy after one dose.

One dose of Sinovac has similar efficacy levels to one dose of natural yogurt.

Thankfully the rollout here is ramping up with functional vaccines. They won’t be able to stop the easing of restrictions in 5-6 weeks.

Is that a typo? I take the point that the Sinovac isn't as effective but it is an indicator of what could happen. Eamon did make sense especially re cheap flights being a thing of the past. We can't live the way we have been over the last 40 years wasting the resources and destroying our climate.

kk1970

Normal One wrote: »

He is fully vaccinated and has tested negative several times, including this morning.

What a disgusting way to treat an Irish citizen.

Not much point in getting a vaccine, if that's the way your going to be treated

Kiith

Normal One wrote: »

He is fully vaccinated and has tested negative several times, including this morning.

What a disgusting way to treat an Irish citizen.

Stopping a son from visiting his dying father, even after he's vaccinated and tested negative.

This is ****ing disgraceful.

saabsaab

kk1970 wrote: »

Not much point in getting a vaccine, if that's the way your going to be treated

That makes no sense. the vaccine is for much better reasons than travel.

jackboy

saabsaab wrote: »

Eamon did make sense especially re cheap flights being a thing of the past. We can't live the way we have been over the last 40 years wasting the resources and destroying our climate.

I disagree that cheap travel is a waste of resources. It enhances people’s lives.

We need to be ambitious, protect the environment and have cheap accessible travel.

Turtwig

Some 'vaccine bonus'.

Eod100

Kiith wrote: »

Stopping a son from visiting his dying father, even after he's vaccinated and tested negative.

This is ****ing disgraceful.

Hadn't seen hes vaccinated, makes even less sense. If the system doesn't have reasonable grounds for appeals then could potentially risk scrapping the whole thing. Needs to be some flexibility and room for common sense and empathy.

Away With The Fairies

kk1970 wrote: »

Not much point in getting a vaccine, if that's the way your going to be treated

Doesn't the vaccines prevent serious illness and deaths? They don't stop you from catching covid and they're not sure about transmission. It's great that he's vaccinated but most of us here are still waiting to be vaccinated.

is_that_so

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

Doesn't the vaccines prevent serious illness and deaths? They don't stop you from catching covid and they're not sure about transmission. It's great that he's vaccinated but most of us here are still waiting to be vaccinated.

If all of this is true then why are we looking at trusting vaccine certificates to free us?

Stheno

Eod100 wrote: »

Hadn't seen hes vaccinated, makes even less sense. If the system doesn't have reasonable grounds for appeals then could potentially risk scrapping the whole thing. Needs to be some flexibility and room for common sense and empathy.

From the Irish Times

Explaining why people “who claim to have been vaccinated” still need to quarantine when coming from high-risk states, she pointed out there was no international system that recognises vaccination certification.

“There needs to be an agreed method for people to show as proof of vaccination/immunity. The EU is looking at the issue of a ‘Digital Green Certificate’ at the moment. Ireland is actively engaging in the process.”

In addition, the epidemiological situation across Europe and worldwide is “much poorer” than in Ireland at present, she said.

There is also some evidence that vaccinated people have subsequently being diagnosed with a problematic Covid-19 variant.

It is too early to know if, or to what extent, vaccinated people may transmit the virus, she added.

The spokeswoman also pointed out the virus measures in Australia and New Zealand, including quarantine, apply to vaccinated people, while Israel is refusing entry to no-citizens and non-residents.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/covid-19-three-outbreaks-in-past-two-weeks-linked-to-overseas-flights-1.4534328?mode=amp

saabsaab

is_that_so wrote: »

If all of this is true then why are we looking at trusting vaccine certificates to free us?

When they are rolled out sufficiently. Why is that hard to accept?

Doctor Jimbob

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

Doesn't the vaccines prevent serious illness and deaths? They don't stop you from catching covid and they're not sure about transmission. It's great that he's vaccinated but most of us here are still waiting to be vaccinated.

Not sure about transmission does not mean that the vaccines don't reduce transmission. It means that it has not yet been proven. It takes time to produce solid evidence.

We need to have a rethink of how media report scientific information. "We don't know yet" becomes "scientists say vaccines don't have an effect on transmission".

is_that_so

saabsaab wrote: »

When they are rolled out sufficiently. Why is that hard to accept?

The planned rollout is June. There'll be nothing sufficient at that point. They'll be as useful as wet toilet paper.

Turtwig

Stheno wrote: »

From the Irish Times



https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/covid-19-three-outbreaks-in-past-two-weeks-linked-to-overseas-flights-1.4534328?mode=amp

This would make sense if he came from SA. Israel doesn't really have the SA variant. Their restrictions on entry to country may be a factor in that.

Stheno

Turtwig wrote: »

This would make sense if he came from SA. Israel doesn't really have the SA variant. Their restrictions on entry to country may be a factor in that.

Agreed

Think the criteria are a bit of a blunt instrument tbh and lacking nuance