Covid 19 Part XXXIV-249,437 ROI(4,906 deaths) 120,195 NI (2,145 deaths)(01/05)Read OP

aziz

Faugheen wrote: »

You would be very stupid to do this.

I get the frustration, but you look at Nolan, Glynn etc and tell me they want to keep everyone locked up and under control. They don’t. They’re just as f*cked as the rest of us.

Eh,NO , their livelihoods aren’t at risk

Faugheen

Padkir wrote: »

Positive commentary is **** all good if they don't back it up with some recommendations for releasing restrictions.

But they never say anything positive according to the fearmongers here.

So which is it?

And they already recommended easing restrictions. What did you call what happened today?

shtpEdthePlum

[Deleted User] wrote: »

If you're under 60 and not high risk they're extending the AZ interval to 16 weeks... That is not going to go down well with healthcare workers.

I'm a healthcare worker and also have asthma. I wonder if they'd just feckin give me the second dose. I feel like setting something on fire after hearing the news just now.

Luckily it's cold enough to justify lighting the fire in April. 2020 was actually grand in retrospect.

Faugheen

aziz wrote: »

Eh,NO , their livelihoods aren’t at risk

So you think they want to keep us locked down forever?

You think they want to control everything going on here and have all the power?

You think their livelihoods aren’t at risk? Yes they have jobs but they also have families and young children. They want to actually ruin their lives too? You think Glynn wants to put himself in the firing line?

How about you actually stop reading what Mags says on Facebook and actually think about the absolute sh*te you are posting before you do so?

Bunch of George Lees in here today. Genuinely baffling some of the absolute sh*te that comes out of people’s fingers.

aziz

Faugheen wrote: »

So you think they want to keep us locked down forever?

You think they want to control everything going on here and have all the power?

You think their livelihoods aren’t at risk? Yes they have jobs but they also have families and young children. They want to actually ruin their lives too? You think Glynn wants to put himself in the firing line?

How about you actually stop reading what Mags says on Facebook and actually think about the absolute sh*te you are posting before you do so?

Bunch of George Lees in here today. Genuinely baffling some of the absolute sh*te that comes out of people’s fingers.

Christ, dude , take a chill pill

aziz

And yes I do think they want to keep up locked down for a long time,with the latest ****up in vaccines and the threat of more variants and a 4th wave ,there is no end in sight

Faugheen

aziz wrote: »

Christ, dude , take a chill pill

You said their livelihoods aren’t at risk when it’s total bullsh*t from a doom merchant such as yourself. Livelihood isn’t just about jobs you know?

Would you like to hold your hands up and admit you over-reacted when you made that statement? It’s perfectly acceptable to say something out of frustration but at least row back and own it when you’re called out on your bollocks.

Stheno

Stheno wrote: »

According to Gavin Reilly HCWs are classed as high risk?

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1381677614977400833?s=20

I think he means most people under 60 that have got a 1st dose are healthcare workers. The risk definition as per NIAC relates to medically high risk, not occupation.

aziz

Faugheen wrote: »

You said their livelihoods aren’t at risk when it’s total bullsh*t from a doom merchant such as yourself. Livelihood isn’t just about jobs you know?

Would you like to hold your hands up and admit you over-reacted when you made that statement? It’s perfectly acceptable to say something out of frustration but at least row back and own it when you’re called out on your bollocks.

My job in the entertainment industry looks like it won’t be happening this year at least,
I’m no doom merchant but it’s ****in hard to be optimistic.

And I stand by my statement, All in this together,bollox.

SSeanSS

Stheno wrote: »

According to Gavin Reilly HCWs are classed as high risk?

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1381677614977400833?s=20

My reading of that is he is saying HCW are mostly not high risk.

Tpcl20

Yer one at the conference just said "Vaxevra" there. What is that?

bucketybuck

Turtwig wrote: »

No they fcking aren't. Nobody wants this sh1t to be prolonged.

Faugheen wrote: »

So you think they want to keep us locked down forever?

You think they want to control everything going on here and have all the power?.

"Ye shall know them by their fruits" - Matthew 7:16

Tpcl20

Won't it be very convenient when instead of getting their second dose, people have to wait four weeks longer and there is all that extra suppy there then.

Although the first lot who were vaccinated are still only 60% protected.

odyssey06

Tpcl20 wrote: »

Yer one at the conference just said "Vaxevra" there. What is that?

Its brand name for the AZ vaccine
Vaxzevria

Tpcl20

odyssey06 wrote: »

Its brand name for the AZ vaccine
Vaxzevria

Oh like when Shell was unanimously hated by everybody so changed their name to Topaz.

caveat emptor

bucketybuck wrote: »

"Ye shall know them by their fruits" - Matthew 7:16

That's a good one. I like this one. Not exactly sure the relevance but pretty deep.

caveat emptor

Is anyone watching the briefing on RTE. I'm not sure I heard correctly there. She gave figures on the older age group and stated that you were 80 times more likely to die from cover if taking AZ.

but when asked on the younger if you are between 20 -30 you are twice as likely to die from covid relative than you were to get one of these rare clotting event.

irishguy1983

Faugheen wrote: »

You would be very stupid to do this.

I get the frustration, but you look at Nolan, Glynn etc and tell me they want to keep everyone locked up and under control. They don’t. They’re just as f*cked as the rest of us.

I know, I know - you are correct and I said that flippantly...I am beginning to wonder at this stage though...

RedPaddyX

Listening to David McWilliams podcast earlier - some very interesting stats, eg

- Ireland has lowest old people demographic in Europe, ie our vulnerable pop is way lower
- we spend the most per head of population on our health service. Yet still have by far lowest number of ICU beds per pop.
- we have locked down for longer than nearly every other country (231days vs 41days in Denmark for example)

In other words our handling of this has been a disaster/poor. And our health service is grossly mismanaged. And we’ve also destroyed - continue to even further destroy our economy.

https://overcast.fm/+SE4yimgo0

caveat emptor

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

If you've heard that correctly, and considering death is not the only negative outcome from covid, it seems baffling that we'd stop using AZ in under 60s.

I'm not sure Jimbob. I think it makes sense for them to not give it to the younger age groups.

https://www.imperial.ac.uk/news/207273/covid-19-deaths-infection-fatality-ratio-about/

Please read with extreme caution. I was genuinely shocked to here this and I could easily be interpreting incorrectly.

Reason being. If the probability of dying from covid in that age group is 0.1%.(really very rare)
The probability of a clotting event is then 0.05% (death due to covid 2X times more likely that the rare clotting event, even more rare)

Problem is if you proceed to vaccinate all of those younger age groups there will be more death and morbidity in that age group than death from disease.

Just to add, good decision if so. I've a loved one with a platelet condition so trying to make sense of it and understand if related.

irishguy1983

RedPaddyX wrote: »

Listening to David McWilliams podcast earlier - some very interesting stats, eg

- Ireland has lowest old people demographic in Europe, ie our vulnerable pop is way lower
- we spend the most per head of population on our health service. Yet still have by far lowest number of ICU beds per pop.
- we have locked down for longer than nearly every other country (231days vs 41days in Denmark for example)

In other words our handling of this has been a disaster/poor. And our health service is grossly mismanaged. And we’ve also destroyed - continue to even further destroy our economy.

https://overcast.fm/+SE4yimgo0

A different angle might be to say we are the best at lockdowns

podgeandrodge

ddarcy wrote: »

I’d say they are working on that problem. As much as people may not like it, if the NAIC say is unsafe for under 60’s, the government will have issues in requiring the second shot of an unsafe vaccine. Since it’s EUA they’ll really have issues, even if they make a case for the greater good.

The issue now will be when to get cohort 4 under 60’s in to get Pfizer/Moderna/ J&J. How much time will need to elapse etc for the vaccination. I’m going to guess they kick the decision down the road in hopes that second jab of another vaccine works and approved by the EMA / AZ gets more safety information to allow the second dose be given.

The government will have major issues if they require the 12 week break and then start you on the 6 week program of another vaccine.

France said under 55s who received a first injection of the AstraZeneca Covid-19 vaccine should be given a jab from a different producer for their second dose, a ruling affecting more than 500,000 people

podgeandrodge

CruelSummer wrote: »

Why is Anthony Staines being rolled out on RTÉ once again, without a question in the world re email leaks or Saul Alinsky’s Rules for Radicals which he was involved in sharing to his fellow peers on ISAG.
Cathríona Perry on Six One with a nice cosy little chat with him, free pass on any sort of misleading information he and his colleagues have stated in the previous 12 months.

"Only" 200k a year, and she can't ask a difficult question. They wanted parity with Dobson, but at least Dobson could do a strong interview.

PTH2009

Disaster

prunudo

Was anything of interest said at the briefing?

ddarcy

podgeandrodge wrote: »

France said under 55s who received a first injection of the AstraZeneca Covid-19 vaccine should be given a jab from a different producer for their second dose, a ruling affecting more than 500,000 people

I saw that. There are clinical trials going on for this now too. I think the government is too scared to do this and say you’re fully vaccinated. The only two solutions were forced the second AZ or set up a restart plan to get 2 of the Pfizer/Moderna or 1 of J&J. Think the road they are taking will cause a lot of issues for them. Essentially I’m being told I have no choice in taking an unsafe vaccine. I was borderline on getting the second AZ, but will not now. I’ll start Pfizer/Moderna/JJ instead when it rolls around.

caveat emptor

prunudo wrote: »

Was anything of interest said at the briefing?

I'm really not sure. They laid out the reasoning behind the move to stop AZ for under 60s. Seemed to make sense.

I'd wait until someone with more knowledge summarises it. Slightly confusing.

podgeandrodge

Halfdane

At what point does the first dose start to become ineffective? At first there was a four week gap between shots, then 12, now 16. Surely that could have negative effects on the overall efficacy of the vaccine? I’ve seen no data related to a 16 week wait and efficacy figures.

caveat emptor

Two very rare events being compared in young people vs one very rare event compared to one less rare event in older people.

Looks to be a good call but I've no clue. Wish I did. The stat in older age group over 60 being 80 X more likely to succumb to covid vs the clotting is fairly clear.