Covid 19 Part XXXIV-249,437 ROI(4,906 deaths) 120,195 NI (2,145 deaths)(01/05)Read OP

Multipass

Amirani wrote: »

You still have people saying restaurants and gyms are safe and low-risk environments for Covid. So yes, society as a whole doesn't seem to know where the risks are in relation to Covid.

For most of us they can be both safe and high risk for covid.

bucketybuck

Amirani wrote: »

You still have people saying restaurants and gyms are safe and low-risk environments for Covid. So yes, society as a whole doesn't seem to know where the risks are in relation to Covid.

What utter guff. No, "some people saying" does not equal "society as a whole".

Turtwig

bucketybuck wrote: »

Ah, you are one of those who blame the people for what happened as opposed to a government response that wasn't fit for purpose.

"The beatings will continue until employee morale improves" used to be a joke, strange to see some people actually using it seriously.

One of those?
Everything is so much easier to dismiss when you can cast it into a group.

Blame? I'm not attributing blame to anyone, leaders or ordinary individuals. The government's performance and our own public health teams left a lot to be desired. But blame?

As far as I'm concerned it's the viruses fault. Except that's inanimate so no real blame there.

It's really harsh to blame people for something they've no experience of. No expectations to go by. So many sources of anxiety, fear, stress and uncertainty to contend with. Blame is rarely the way to go. Certainly not here. Everyone got landed in a shtty situation. The vast majority I believe tried their best. Even where there have been disagreements people by and large have still wanted the same outcomes.

Amirani

Amirani wrote: »

You still have people saying restaurants and gyms are safe and low-risk environments for Covid. So yes, society as a whole doesn't seem to know where the risks are in relation to Covid.

Or maybe people just accept the risk. I’ve heard the survival rate isn’t too bad.

Eod100

NIAC to recommend restriction of AstraZeneca vaccine to over-60s

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0412/1209247-coronavirus-vaccine-ireland/

KrustyUCC

Ouch

That's a big blow to the vaccination program

Amirani

Amirani wrote: »

You still have people saying restaurants and gyms are safe and low-risk environments for Covid. So yes, society as a whole doesn't seem to know where the risks are in relation to Covid.

well consider the minister for education states that schools are safe and yet many outbreaks are linked to schools, no matter how many times you bleat "they brought it from home to school"...I hadn't heard of any newsworthy GYM outbreaks anyway. looking back over the last year, the GOVT et al dont know the risks either, Golfgate..neither do RTE the mouthpiece for a pandemic..

What do you expect when people are told not to visit parents or even go in their gardens and yet Ryan tubridy had a Session last Friday night with singing, and all without masks... it's not that they don't know, they're gone past caring.

Jim_Hodge

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Ouch

That's a big blow to the vaccination program

Not really. They can just use the supplies of the AZ vaccine on that age group and free up the others for the younger ages.

Derek Zoolander

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

Not really. They can just use the supplies of the AZ vaccine on that age group and free up the others for the younger ages.

they'll run out of that age group reasonably quickly

Multipass

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Ouch

That's a big blow to the vaccination program

Would almost make you think the disease isn’t so bad if we can afford to be that choosy over the vaccine

Dunmoreroader

Here's the Gov.ie Travel restrictions from today;

"People are required to stay at home except for travel for work, education or other essential purposes. From 12 April, you can travel within your own county or within 20km of your home if crossing county boundaries."

So is that 20km driving or 20km as the crow flies?
E.g. Waterford city to Hook Head Co. Wexford is less than 20km as the crow flies but 30km getting the Passage East-Ballyhack ferry and 50km if you have to drive up through New Ross.

alentejo

Eod100 wrote: »

NIAC to recommend restriction of AstraZeneca vaccine to over-60s

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0412/1209247-coronavirus-vaccine-ireland/

Well - You can now push back the adult population being vaccinated until the end of October!

I suspect more people will die of covid that the blood clots associated with AZ

Dunmoreroader

Dunmoreroader wrote: »

Here's the Gov.ie Travel restrictions from today;

"People are required to stay at home except for travel for work, education or other essential purposes. From 12 April, you can travel within your own county or within 20km of your home if crossing county boundaries."

So is that 20km driving or 20km as the crow flies?
E.g. Waterford city to Hook Head Co. Wexford is less than 20km as the crow flies but 30km getting the Passage East-Ballyhack ferry and 50km if you have to drive up through New Ross.

It’s literally always been the radius from your home, ever since the start of this whole thing. Whether 2km, 5km or 20km

alentejo

alentejo wrote: »

Well - You can now push back the adult population being vaccinated until the end of October!

I suspect more people will die of covid that the blood clots associated with AZ

Unlikely - AZ was only to do 20% of the doses in Q2 - 60-69 year olds alone will take most of them. And in Q3 Pfizer will be ramping further, Moderna will become more available as US nears completion and Curevac and Novavac are coming on stream

stephenjmcd

Sunday - 424 positive swabs, 2.96% positivity on 14,344 tests.
7 day test positivity is 2.7%.

Monday - 327 positive swabs, 2.77% positivity on 11,798 tests.
7 day test positivity is 2.7%.

What Username Guidelines

https://twitter.com/covid19dataie/status/1381614844282036224?s=21

funnydoggy

Oh yum, those metrics!

seamus

On top of the above, Saturday's numbers were revised. An extra ~1,000 tests were added to the number, with just 9 positive swabs.

This brings Saturday's positivity rate from 3.02% to 2.89%.

Does that matter? Not really, except that we've now had nine consecutive days with positivity below 3%

stephenjmcd

seamus wrote: »

On top of the above, Saturday's numbers were revised. An extra ~1,000 tests were added to the number, with just 9 positive swabs.

This brings Saturday's positivity rate from 3.02% to 2.89%.

Does that matter? Not really, except that we've now had nine consecutive days with positivity below 3%

Good stuff Seamus, hadn't spotted that.

I think these walk up centres are part of the reason the rates are being driven down. Finding cases that might not be found otherwise before they've a chance to cause an outbreak.

funnydoggy

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Good stuff Seamus, hadn't spotted that.

I think these walk up centres are part of the reason the rates are being driven down. Finding cases that might not be found otherwise before they've a chance to cause an outbreak.

Let's hope they are here to stay until we're out the other end of this.

Jim_Hodge

Derek Zoolander wrote: »

they'll run out of that age group reasonably quickly

The supply of the other vaccines is to be well above that of AZ.

Derek Zoolander

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

The supply of the other vaccines is to be well above that of AZ.

true thankfully - but AZ is approx 25% of all supply at least until end of may

stephenjmcd

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

The supply of the other vaccines is to be well above that of AZ.

Yes but AZ isn't an insignificant amount either.

It'll slow things down along the line somewhere.

Question now is do they only offer AZ to the 60-69 group and divert supply of Pfizer to those below it & finish off Pfizer dose 2 for over 70s of course.

Russman

stephenjmcd wrote: »

It'll slow things down along the line somewhere.

Somewhere deep in the bowels of the Department of Health, they're frantically trying to round up volunteers to conduct today's NPHET briefing :D

OwenM

Amirani wrote: »

You still have people saying restaurants and gyms are safe and low-risk environments for Covid. So yes, society as a whole doesn't seem to know where the risks are in relation to Covid.

Maybe follow the science, and it shows overwhelmingly our homes are the most dangerous places, but lets shut everything else anyway.

KrustyUCC

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Yes but AZ isn't an insignificant amount either.

It'll slow things down along the line somewhere.

Absolutely

Indeoendent reporting "The implication of the recommendation means that people in younger age groups - particularly those in their twenties and thirties - may wait longer for a first dose .

The plan here, based on the original projected supply, was to have 80pc of the adult population given at least one dose by the end of June.

This could now be pushed out to July if supplies of the other three vaccines do not stretch far enough.

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/ireland-to-be-told-to-restrict-astrazeneca-vaccine-to-over-60s-40303877.html

This decision from NIAC going to have big implications when easing of restrictions is tied to vaccination program

NIAC twice as cautious as UK

Only 60-69 years olds can take AZ here whereas UK 30+

OwenM

Derek Zoolander wrote: »

true thankfully - but AZ is approx 25% of all supply at least until end of may

And AZ was the only one with 12 weeks between doses, so our '1st dose velocity' will take a hit because people will need their 2nd dose about nine weeks earlier.

alentejo

There is a large no of people due the 2nd shot of AZ from the start of May, many of whom are under 60. What happens these people?

fits

alentejo wrote: »

There is a large no of people due the 2nd shot of AZ from the start of May, many of whom are under 60. What happens these people?

They will get their second shot as planned.

OwenM

alentejo wrote: »

There is a large no of people due the 2nd shot of AZ from the start of May, many of whom are under 60. What happens these people?

If they queue jumpers if they are under 60, let them take their chances.....