Covid 19 Part XXXIV-249,437 ROI(4,906 deaths) 120,195 NI (2,145 deaths)(01/05)Read OP

Hurrache

Stheno wrote: »

https://twitter.com/RTENewsAtOne/status/1381949962951491586?s=20


Why is the deputy CMO the person communicating that there will be a plan?

Because he was asked?

timmyntc

Faugheen wrote: »

And initially the government said no.

What you forget is that there was such public outcry over that that there were demands for NPHET to explain. Leo Varadkar slaughtered them on Claire Byrne and only days later, they implemented the measures.

The government decides. It’s just convenient for them to implement everything and blame the public health advice.

As was said, this government are a shower of cowards and can’t even show up and take ownership of their own mess. They’ve ignored NPHET for nearly a year and continue to ignore NPHET as we speak.

And thats why NPHET/Tony had to strongarm them into bring restrictions in.

Media coverage ramped up, the letter about imminent doom etc.
Once they public were scared into submission the govt had to comply

GeorgeBailey

bucketybuck wrote: »

Why is number of people vaccinated the key metric and not the number of people actually dying?

Because the number of people vaccinated will prevent the number of people dying from ballooning again.

Faugheen

timmyntc wrote: »

And thats why NPHET/Tony had to strongarm them into bring restrictions in.

Media coverage ramped up, the letter about imminent doom etc.
Once they public were scared into submission the govt had to comply

Or maybe the government’s ‘we’ll do level 3 and see how we get on’ idea backfired greatly, and they decided to do this so there could be a ‘meaningful Christmas’ before going back into lockdown in January.

Then Christmas comes around, NPHET warns about how the fast reopening would impact the R-number, government dissented, again.

Saying we’d have to go back into lockdown should have rang so many alarm bells.

EDIT: I believe it was a government minister who leaked the letter in the first place, btw. Media reports at the time constantly cited ‘government sources’ rather than ‘NPHET sources’.

Sofa King Great

With the news of delays on J&J on top of the issues around Astra Zenaca we need to come up with a plan B.

The reopening of society cannot be linked to a vaccination programme if there is so much uncertainty around the vaccines and their delivery

It appears that a call was made to rely solely on vaccination as the way out of this a number of months back and any other plan was abandoned.

robbiezero

seamus wrote: »

Who "screeches" this?

I think you'll find the contention is that NPHET are not in charge. And they're not. The buck stops with Michael Martin and Stephen Donnelly.

Unfortunately the latter is a complete fraud, more concerned with tweets and likes than actually knowing anything about his job and doing it.

Throughout this pandemic, NPHET have produced their recommendations; their plan on what direction restrictions should take.

They don't implement that plan. The government do. And they don't have to follow NPHET's advice, as we have seen continually. And that hasn't changed.

I never said they were, but like it or not the current asinine level of restrictions have everything to do with NPHET regardless of the fact that the majority of the Government are utterly useless and hiding behind them.
There is nothing stopping NPHET recommending a substantial reduction in the restrictions of outdoor activities which could and should have been done weeks ago.

Vicxas

So J&J is pausing in the US. Does anyone know what the criteria is to restart?

bucketybuck

GeorgeBailey wrote: »

Because the number of people vaccinated will prevent the number of people dying from ballooning again.

So just like last summer, we can have a situation where we go weeks and months with zero deaths and yet have to remain locked down because an arbitrary number of vaccines were not dispensed?

seamus

robbiezero wrote: »

There is nothing stopping NPHET recommending a substantial reduction in the restrictions of outdoor activities which could and should have been done weeks ago.

Except for the fact their remit is to issue public health advice in the context of a public health emergency. They cannot advise things which are not in the best interests of public health.

It is the government's job to balance this against the social and economic impact of such advice.

It is not NPHET's job to consider anything outside of their remit. There is nothing stopping the Government from reducing the restrictions, but there are a lot of things stopping NPHET from recommending a reduction.

KrustyUCC

Seems NPHET can do no wrong lol

NPHET were threatening a lockdown in January/February even before October restrictions kicked in

Now we're on path for a slow uber cautious reopening of society which is linked to a vaccination rollout that is under even more strain to make the June targets

NPHET are running the show and their advice will be followed as if if it's not they will get the media asking the government ad nauseam why they went against NPHET advice

Rinse and repeat

Hold firm folks. Almost there

Only another 6 weeks

Followed by another slow period of reopening where we need to hold firm again for another 6 weeks

robbiezero

Faugheen wrote: »

Or maybe the government’s ‘we’ll do level 3 and see how we get on’ idea backfired greatly, and they decided to do this so there could be a ‘meaningful Christmas’ before going back into lockdown in January.

Then Christmas comes around, NPHET warns about how the fast reopening would impact the R-number, government dissented, again.

Saying we’d have to go back into lockdown should have rang so many alarm bells.

EDIT: I believe it was a government minister who leaked the letter in the first place, btw. Media reports at the time constantly cited ‘government sources’ rather than ‘NPHET sources’.

Surely NPHET shouldn't have recommended allowing household visits to occur and household gatherings to occur from 2 December if the R-number was going to be so severely impacted (Government actually blocked this until the 18th of December).

Faugheen

robbiezero wrote: »

I never said they were, but like it or not the current asinine level of restrictions have everything to do with NPHET regardless of the fact that the majority of the Government are utterly useless and hiding behind them.
There is nothing stopping NPHET recommending a substantial reduction in the restrictions of outdoor activities which could and should have been done weeks ago.

Their job is to be ultra conservative.

That is why we have numerous advocacy groups and sub-committees set up to balance that out within government.

If you’re upset outdoor activities aren’t open, then blame the people who actually have the power to do it. They dissented from NPHET numerous times before and there is literally nothing other than negligence and incompetence stopping them now.

bucketybuck

seamus wrote: »

They cannot advise things which are not in the best interests of public health.

Strange then that they so utterly disregard all non-covid aspects of public health.

is_that_so

Faugheen wrote: »

Or maybe the government’s ‘we’ll do level 3 and see how we get on’ idea backfired greatly, and they decided to do this so there could be a ‘meaningful Christmas’ before going back into lockdown in January.

Then Christmas comes around, NPHET warns about how the fast reopening would impact the R-number, government dissented, again.

Saying we’d have to go back into lockdown should have rang so many alarm bells.

EDIT: I believe it was a government minister who leaked the letter in the first place, btw. Media reports at the time constantly cited ‘government sources’ rather than ‘NPHET sources’.

In October they did a quickstep from Level 3 to 5, in 3 days without telling anyone. Sure, Donnelly was told Level 4 was up for discussion, but the sudden announcement surprised everyone and annoyed an awful lot. That poor communication was where they fell down completely. It's also why we now have a Cabinet subcommittee to filter what they say. The leak was an absolute given, with explosive nature of the recommendation and it really doesn't matter who leaked it.

stephenjmcd

Swabs

https://twitter.com/COVID19DataIE/status/1381970940712480774?s=19

robbiezero

Faugheen wrote: »

Their job is to be ultra conservative.

That is why we have numerous advocacy groups and sub-committees set up to balance that out within government.

If you’re upset outdoor activities aren’t open, then blame the people who actually have the power to do it. They dissented from NPHET numerous times before and there is literally nothing other than negligence and incompetence stopping them now.

Really? Can you link me to something backing that up?
We really have been very poorly served by setting up such a group if that is the case.

ddarcy

Vicxas wrote: »

So J&J is pausing in the US. Does anyone know what the criteria is to restart?

CDC is doing a review starting today. They’ll clear it (I’d say give it a week or two ) or have the fda look at the EUA and wait for more data to come in from phase III trials. They may very well say to stop it in age groups etc. while awaiting for particular data with the subgroups before resuming (my best guess as to what will happen).

Basically it could be back tomorrow or pulled or more like somewhere in between. So a bunch of what ifs. My experience with something like this would have been a year off the market, but I sense this won’t happen here.

PTH2009

Bloody vaccines

Now with J&J suspended were in a massive battle to make the targets thus longer restrictions

funnydoggy

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Swabs

https://twitter.com/COVID19DataIE/status/1381970940712480774?s=19

Holy moly!

stephenjmcd

PTH2009 wrote: »

Bloody vaccines

Now with J&J suspended were in a massive battle to make the targets thus longer restrictions

J&J doesn't make any difference for the next few weeks. The numbers are very small.

Wouldn't expect the review in the states to take too long

funnydoggy

funnydoggy wrote: »

Holy moly!

I know. An abundance of hypochondriacs still needlessly going for testing.

KrustyUCC

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Swabs

https://twitter.com/COVID19DataIE/status/1381970940712480774?s=19

Last week for comparison

https://twitter.com/COVID19DataIE/status/1379439760570191874

Very similar totals comparing bit of extra testing with less swabs but great to see the positivity rate down

wadacrack

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Swabs

https://twitter.com/COVID19DataIE/status/1381970940712480774?s=19

Walk In centres seem to have really helped

stephenjmcd

wadacrack wrote: »

Walk In centres seem to have really helped

Yeah absolutely they look to have had a big impact.

This whole ‘NPHET don’t want the attention’ is nonsense.

There’s a reason why we constantly hear them on the radio etc. Ray Walley (works with NPHET) pillorying old people for going to funerals. Mary Favier amongst others constantly on about drinking. Philip Nolan having Twitter arguments with opinions he doesn’t like.

If they really didn’t want to use the media they wouldn’t. Whether you agree with their decisions or not, to say they don’t want to be in the papers, on tv etc? Rubbish!

(I will say in recent weeks they have been better and it seems as if Glynn is the main and only voice).

Faugheen

robbiezero wrote: »

Surely NPHET shouldn't have recommended allowing household visits to occur and household gatherings to occur from 2 December if the R-number was going to be so severely impacted (Government actually blocked this until the 18th of December).

Conveniently left out that they made this recommendation while also recommending that hospitality stays closed during the 8 week period as seen in the letter to Donnelly here (page 10 for recommendations):

https://assets.gov.ie/99265/1c5ba10e-465d-4494-b7fb-f4c50bbb96fc.pdf

So the government instead of blocking the household visits, they reopened hospitality as well despite warnings of its link to superspreader events both in Ireland and internationally.

NPHET recommended what it did while also saying that communications should discourage from the households meeting up on a regular basis and instead celebrating Christmas with your immediate household instead.

seamus

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Swabs

https://twitter.com/COVID19DataIE/status/1381970940712480774?s=19

Positive swabs down 20% week-on-week and holding pretty strongly there.

This is pretty good considering we were expecting a *something* from the Easter weekend. So we might see a plateau of sorts this week, maybe even a bump up. So far so good though.

Deleted User

Deleted User wrote: »

I know. An abundance of hypochondriacs still needlessly going for testing.

Can this horseh*t please stop

[Deleted User]

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Can this horseh*t please stop

You would hope so. I know someone who has being tested 9 times for no good reason

Doctors room ghost

“A ship is safe in harbour,but that’s not what ships are made for”.

There’s an inspirational quote for ye for the day that’s in it.
Sun is cracking the rocks here in the west thank god.
Get on with it folks.