Covid 19 Part XXXIV-249,437 ROI(4,906 deaths) 120,195 NI (2,145 deaths)(01/05)Read OP

bucketybuck

Faugheen wrote: »

“I hope we can shortly move away from the focus, spotlight and the front of the newspapers. None of us want that contrary to what public opinion says.”

Ronan Glynn clearly reads boards and Twitter so. How people can genuinely think they want all of this is absolutely mental.

Must have been some other Ronan Glynn live on TV a few nights ago.

Faugheen

Faugheen wrote: »

“I hope we can shortly move away from the focus, spotlight and the front of the newspapers. None of us want that contrary to what public opinion says.”

Ronan Glynn clearly reads boards and Twitter so. How people can genuinely think they want all of this is absolutely mental.

They can say no to radio interviews and appearances on the late late.

Stheno

https://twitter.com/RTENewsAtOne/status/1381949962951491586?s=20


Why is the deputy CMO the person communicating that there will be a plan?

Where is the Taoiseach/MoH?

Faugheen

Faugheen wrote: »

“I hope we can shortly move away from the focus, spotlight and the front of the newspapers. None of us want that contrary to what public opinion says.”

Ronan Glynn clearly reads boards and Twitter so. How people can genuinely think they want all of this is absolutely mental.

and yet you're reading and posting on said boards forum..you're a veritable yang/yang kind poster alright, "people" being the dullards and bottom feeders eh!

robbiezero

Stheno wrote: »

https://twitter.com/RTENewsAtOne/status/1381949962951491586?s=20


Why is the deputy CMO the person communicating that there will be a plan?

Where is the Taoiseach/MoH?

And yet some posters will screech that the restrictions are nothing to do with NPHET.

Doctors room ghost

Stheno wrote: »

https://twitter.com/RTENewsAtOne/status/1381949962951491586?s=20


Why is the deputy CMO the person communicating that there will be a plan?

Where is the Taoiseach/MoH?

There is no official driver of the clown bus.

shamco

robbiezero wrote: »

And yet some posters will screech that the restrictions are nothing to do with NPHET.

Well at least we know who is in charge. What a useless government we have?. I thought Haughey, Bertie and Cowen were bad but MM takes the biscuit he seems to have gone into hiding.

hmmm

Stheno wrote: »

Why is the deputy CMO the person communicating that there will be a plan?

Where is the Taoiseach/MoH?

It's pretty shocking. The whole week has been shocking, and even the way TDs are asking questions is shocking.

NPHET advise and have a difficult job to do which they are doing well. Government decides, and take into account wider considerations. Instead the Government is nowhere, and the MoH seems completely tangled up in the distraction of MHQ.

Faugheen

[Deleted User] wrote: »

They can say no to radio interviews and appearances on the late late.

They can, then what?

The Health Minister doesn’t know his arse from his elbow. The government try to be diplomatic rather than honest. Throw in Ronan Glynn and NPHET not communicating then you will have the same contrarians here demanding that they explain their actions.

Ronan Glynn is the only one giving any communications when he shouldn’t have to. He’s asked multiple times to explain his reasons for NPHETs recommendations and because the government point to them, the focus and pressure is on them to explain.

It goes back to what I have been saying for a long time. So many people are being taken as fools by the government.

Faugheen

rusty cole wrote: »

and yet you're reading and posting on said boards forum..you're a veritable yang/yang kind poster alright, "people" being the dullards and bottom feeders eh!

You have a real habit of making up terms and attributing them to people who haven’t said them.

Eod100

https://twitter.com/mariatad/status/1381962180199780356

seamus

robbiezero wrote: »

And yet some posters will screech that the restrictions are nothing to do with NPHET.

Who "screeches" this?

I think you'll find the contention is that NPHET are not in charge. And they're not. The buck stops with Michael Martin and Stephen Donnelly.

Unfortunately the latter is a complete fraud, more concerned with tweets and likes than actually knowing anything about his job and doing it.

Throughout this pandemic, NPHET have produced their recommendations; their plan on what direction restrictions should take.

They don't implement that plan. The government do. And they don't have to follow NPHET's advice, as we have seen continually. And that hasn't changed.

timmyntc

seamus wrote: »

Who "screeches" this?

I think you'll find the contention is that NPHET are not in charge. And they're not. The buck stops with Michael Martin and Stephen Donnelly.

Unfortunately the latter is a complete fraud, more concerned with tweets and likes than actually knowing anything about his job and doing it.

Throughout this pandemic, NPHET have produced their recommendations; their plan on what direction restrictions should take.

They don't implement that plan. The government do. And they don't have to follow NPHET's advice, as we have seen continually. And that hasn't changed.

We are where we are because of NPHET playing politics last Autumn and attempting to strongarm the government into putting their restrictions in place.

They weren't content to just advise - they demanded that the restrictions they "recommended" be put in place immediately.

Any reference to the buck stops with the government is just semantics. Its clear as day who is running the show.

KrustyUCC

Eod100 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/mariatad/status/1381962180199780356

The good news keeps on rolling :mad:

prunudo

Eod100 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/mariatad/status/1381962180199780356

We need a new plan, back to the hospital number/icu metric of opening up society. Less of being tied to vaccinated numbers and being at the mercy of pharmaceutical companies over promising and causing delays in supply..

Faugheen

timmyntc wrote: »

We are where we are because of NPHET playing politics last Autumn and attempting to strongarm the government into putting their restrictions in place.

They weren't content to just advise - they demanded that the restrictions they "recommended" be put in place immediately.

Any reference to the buck stops with the government is just semantics. Its clear as day who is running the show.

And initially the government said no.

What you forget is that there was such public outcry over that that there were demands for NPHET to explain. Leo Varadkar slaughtered them on Claire Byrne and only days later, they implemented the measures.

The government decides. It’s just convenient for them to implement everything and blame the public health advice.

As was said, this government are a shower of cowards and can’t even show up and take ownership of their own mess. They’ve ignored NPHET for nearly a year and continue to ignore NPHET as we speak.

Hurrache

Stheno wrote: »

https://twitter.com/RTENewsAtOne/status/1381949962951491586?s=20


Why is the deputy CMO the person communicating that there will be a plan?

Because he was asked?

timmyntc

Faugheen wrote: »

And initially the government said no.

What you forget is that there was such public outcry over that that there were demands for NPHET to explain. Leo Varadkar slaughtered them on Claire Byrne and only days later, they implemented the measures.

The government decides. It’s just convenient for them to implement everything and blame the public health advice.

As was said, this government are a shower of cowards and can’t even show up and take ownership of their own mess. They’ve ignored NPHET for nearly a year and continue to ignore NPHET as we speak.

And thats why NPHET/Tony had to strongarm them into bring restrictions in.

Media coverage ramped up, the letter about imminent doom etc.
Once they public were scared into submission the govt had to comply

GeorgeBailey

bucketybuck wrote: »

Why is number of people vaccinated the key metric and not the number of people actually dying?

Because the number of people vaccinated will prevent the number of people dying from ballooning again.

Faugheen

timmyntc wrote: »

And thats why NPHET/Tony had to strongarm them into bring restrictions in.

Media coverage ramped up, the letter about imminent doom etc.
Once they public were scared into submission the govt had to comply

Or maybe the government’s ‘we’ll do level 3 and see how we get on’ idea backfired greatly, and they decided to do this so there could be a ‘meaningful Christmas’ before going back into lockdown in January.

Then Christmas comes around, NPHET warns about how the fast reopening would impact the R-number, government dissented, again.

Saying we’d have to go back into lockdown should have rang so many alarm bells.

EDIT: I believe it was a government minister who leaked the letter in the first place, btw. Media reports at the time constantly cited ‘government sources’ rather than ‘NPHET sources’.

Sofa King Great

With the news of delays on J&J on top of the issues around Astra Zenaca we need to come up with a plan B.

The reopening of society cannot be linked to a vaccination programme if there is so much uncertainty around the vaccines and their delivery

It appears that a call was made to rely solely on vaccination as the way out of this a number of months back and any other plan was abandoned.

robbiezero

seamus wrote: »

Who "screeches" this?

I think you'll find the contention is that NPHET are not in charge. And they're not. The buck stops with Michael Martin and Stephen Donnelly.

Unfortunately the latter is a complete fraud, more concerned with tweets and likes than actually knowing anything about his job and doing it.

Throughout this pandemic, NPHET have produced their recommendations; their plan on what direction restrictions should take.

They don't implement that plan. The government do. And they don't have to follow NPHET's advice, as we have seen continually. And that hasn't changed.

I never said they were, but like it or not the current asinine level of restrictions have everything to do with NPHET regardless of the fact that the majority of the Government are utterly useless and hiding behind them.
There is nothing stopping NPHET recommending a substantial reduction in the restrictions of outdoor activities which could and should have been done weeks ago.

Vicxas

So J&J is pausing in the US. Does anyone know what the criteria is to restart?

bucketybuck

GeorgeBailey wrote: »

Because the number of people vaccinated will prevent the number of people dying from ballooning again.

So just like last summer, we can have a situation where we go weeks and months with zero deaths and yet have to remain locked down because an arbitrary number of vaccines were not dispensed?

seamus

robbiezero wrote: »

There is nothing stopping NPHET recommending a substantial reduction in the restrictions of outdoor activities which could and should have been done weeks ago.

Except for the fact their remit is to issue public health advice in the context of a public health emergency. They cannot advise things which are not in the best interests of public health.

It is the government's job to balance this against the social and economic impact of such advice.

It is not NPHET's job to consider anything outside of their remit. There is nothing stopping the Government from reducing the restrictions, but there are a lot of things stopping NPHET from recommending a reduction.

KrustyUCC

Seems NPHET can do no wrong lol

NPHET were threatening a lockdown in January/February even before October restrictions kicked in

Now we're on path for a slow uber cautious reopening of society which is linked to a vaccination rollout that is under even more strain to make the June targets

NPHET are running the show and their advice will be followed as if if it's not they will get the media asking the government ad nauseam why they went against NPHET advice

Rinse and repeat

Hold firm folks. Almost there

Only another 6 weeks

Followed by another slow period of reopening where we need to hold firm again for another 6 weeks

robbiezero

Faugheen wrote: »

Or maybe the government’s ‘we’ll do level 3 and see how we get on’ idea backfired greatly, and they decided to do this so there could be a ‘meaningful Christmas’ before going back into lockdown in January.

Then Christmas comes around, NPHET warns about how the fast reopening would impact the R-number, government dissented, again.

Saying we’d have to go back into lockdown should have rang so many alarm bells.

EDIT: I believe it was a government minister who leaked the letter in the first place, btw. Media reports at the time constantly cited ‘government sources’ rather than ‘NPHET sources’.

Surely NPHET shouldn't have recommended allowing household visits to occur and household gatherings to occur from 2 December if the R-number was going to be so severely impacted (Government actually blocked this until the 18th of December).

Faugheen

robbiezero wrote: »

I never said they were, but like it or not the current asinine level of restrictions have everything to do with NPHET regardless of the fact that the majority of the Government are utterly useless and hiding behind them.
There is nothing stopping NPHET recommending a substantial reduction in the restrictions of outdoor activities which could and should have been done weeks ago.

Their job is to be ultra conservative.

That is why we have numerous advocacy groups and sub-committees set up to balance that out within government.

If you’re upset outdoor activities aren’t open, then blame the people who actually have the power to do it. They dissented from NPHET numerous times before and there is literally nothing other than negligence and incompetence stopping them now.

bucketybuck

seamus wrote: »

They cannot advise things which are not in the best interests of public health.

Strange then that they so utterly disregard all non-covid aspects of public health.

is_that_so

Faugheen wrote: »

Or maybe the government’s ‘we’ll do level 3 and see how we get on’ idea backfired greatly, and they decided to do this so there could be a ‘meaningful Christmas’ before going back into lockdown in January.

Then Christmas comes around, NPHET warns about how the fast reopening would impact the R-number, government dissented, again.

Saying we’d have to go back into lockdown should have rang so many alarm bells.

EDIT: I believe it was a government minister who leaked the letter in the first place, btw. Media reports at the time constantly cited ‘government sources’ rather than ‘NPHET sources’.

In October they did a quickstep from Level 3 to 5, in 3 days without telling anyone. Sure, Donnelly was told Level 4 was up for discussion, but the sudden announcement surprised everyone and annoyed an awful lot. That poor communication was where they fell down completely. It's also why we now have a Cabinet subcommittee to filter what they say. The leak was an absolute given, with explosive nature of the recommendation and it really doesn't matter who leaked it.