Covid 19 Part XXXIV-249,437 ROI(4,906 deaths) 120,195 NI (2,145 deaths)(01/05)Read OP

bucketybuck

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

I thought we had moved on from this cr@p.

Its April 2021 and we are still in lockdown, pretty clear that nobody is moving on from anything. Crap indeed.

NIAC Fanboy

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

Jesus wept! The old "they would have died anyway' line.

I thought we had moved on from this crap.

What "crap" have we moved on from?

The fact is that in a lot of cases the people were gravely ill anyway.

Polar101

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0413/1209729-coronavirus-quarantine-ireland/

Bookings for mandatory hotel quarantine paused, because people are just turning up instead of booking in advance.

Not sure how pausing the booking will fix any issues, but then again I'm not the minister for Health, so I don't need to know.

Resuming again when capacity is added.

I wouldn't say MHQ has been a brilliant success so far.

NIAC Fanboy

Faugheen wrote: »

Grand, just tell every family to get on with it and report the death immediately for a couple of lads on boards there.

Why are you suggesting grieving families should be forced to report the death immediately?

That is an awful attitude to have.

How the overall covid deaths are reported to the public could be conveyed in a different manner though.

Faugheen wrote: »

WATCH THE BRIEFINGS

TBH I don't know when or where they are on. I would expect the state agencies to be able to convey the main facts in a logical manner, rather than politicians to tee themselves up on primetime with "firstly my condolances to XX families who are grieving tonight"

Using the daily reported number of deaths to support their position.

Kivaro

As of today, France has banned all travel to and from Brazil. This is due to the Brazilian variant that has caused an alarming amount of younger people ending up in hospital and dying from Covid.

Until they get their act together, Ireland should ban all arrivals from that country.
I see that Bolsonaro is doing everything in his power to stop an inquiry into his government's handling of the pandemic. There is no way that he will remain in power when details get out on his mishandling of the crisis. Apparently he refused millions of batches of the Pfizer vaccine that was offered to Brazil from the manufacturer.

NIAC Fanboy

Polar101 wrote: »

Bookings for mandatory hotel quarantine paused, because people are just turning up instead of booking in advance.

Not sure how pausing the booking will fix any issues, but then again I'm not the minister for Health, so I don't need to know.

Resuming again when capacity is added.

I wouldn't say MHQ has been a brilliant success so far.

Its an abject fail and was always going to be. Politically their hand was forced and it was done to save face. There are plenty of ways to avoid it including slipping in via the UK.

Faugheen

NIAC Fanboy wrote: »

Why are you suggesting grieving families should be forced to report the death immediately?

That is an awful attitude to have.

How the overall covid deaths are reported to the public could be conveyed in a different manner though.

The fact you don't see the sarcasm shows you don't get it.

NIAC Fanboy wrote: »

TBH I don't know when or where they are on.

Every Monday and Thursday. 5:30-ish and you can watch it on RTE News channel or on their social media pages.

Now you know, so you can't claim to be ignorant anymore.

Kivaro

Kivaro wrote: »

As of today, France has banned all travel to and from Brazil. This is due to the Brazilian variant that has caused an alarming amount of younger people ending up in hospital and dying from Covid.

Until they get their act together, Ireland should ban all arrivals from that country.
I see that Bolsonaro is doing everything in his power to stop an inquiry into his government's handling of the pandemic. There is no way that he will remain in power when details get out on his mishandling of the crisis. Apparently he refused millions of batches of the Pfizer vaccine that was offered to Brazil from the manufacturer.

Is this the reason why Brazil, and Argentina, didn't sign a deal with Pfizer: https://www.pharmaceutical-technology.com/news/company-news/pfizer-latin-american-vaccine/

"Pfizer reportedly asked governments in Argentina and Brazil to put up sovereign assets, including military bases and federal bank reserves, as collateral for potential future legal costs."

NIAC Fanboy

Faugheen wrote: »

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Every Monday and Thursday. 5:30-ish and you can watch it on RTE News channel or on their social media pages.

Now you know, so you can't claim to be ignorant anymore.

I won't be watching them thanks, I know the headline deaths number is loose.

It won't stop politicians using backdated deaths to justify restrictions a few hours later though.

Faugheen

NIAC Fanboy wrote: »

I won't be watching them thanks, I know the headline deaths number is loose.

It won't stop politicians using backdated deaths to justify restrictions a few hours later though.

So let me get this right, you call for this:

NIAC Fanboy wrote: »

Maybe give the new overall death number combined with an updated graph showing number of deaths on the date they happened so people can see what the overall trend looks like.

And I point out to you where you can get this information on a weekly basis and actually hear it for yourself, and you come up with a pathetic excuse to not hear that information?

Why would you call for something and then minutes later say you're not actually interested in it?

Jim_Hodge

NIAC Fanboy wrote: »

I won't be watching them thanks, I know the headline deaths number is loose.

It won't stop politicians using backdated deaths to justify restrictions a few hours later though.

You're all over the place. Do you want the facts or don't you?


And maybe consider those who have lost friends and family, who weren't previously ill or in nursing homes, to Covid before you write them off with the insult that they were going to die anyway.


#IGNORE

NIAC Fanboy

Faugheen wrote: »

So let me get this right, you call for this:



And I point out to you where you can get this information on a weekly basis and actually hear it for yourself, and you come up with a pathetic excuse to not hear that information?

Why would you call for something and then minutes later say you're not actually interested in it?

I am referring to the usual news headline along the lines of "today we have 358 cases and 38 deaths" etc.

That is as much as the vast majority of people, including me, will hear.

The state agencies could surely come up with a better way of giving an overall snapshot don't you think?

Countless times I have heard people gasp and say "62 death today" 46 dead today" etc.

And as you keep ignoring, politicians will wheel the number out on prime time a few hours later and claim all the families are grieving tonight, when this is simply not the cases.

manofwisdom

7 day average in cases 401
Tests carried out 108,637
Reported death last 7 days 80
In hospital 205
In ICU 48



April 13th 2020.

7 day average in cases 756
Tests carried out 48,162
Reported Deaths in 7 days 191
In hospital 879
In ICU 144

Goldengirl

NIAC Fanboy wrote: »

I won't be watching them thanks, I know the headline deaths number is loose.

It won't stop politicians using backdated deaths to justify restrictions a few hours later though.

Ah here, they don't and it's pretty obvious that you don't know what you are talking about as regards deaths or otherwise or just trying to wind people up .
Ignored .

NIAC Fanboy

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

Do you want the facts or don't you?

Yes I want the facts, not some politician using a misleading headline figure to defend his position.

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

And maybe consider those who have lost friends and family, who weren't previously ill or in nursing homes, to Covid before you write them off with the insult that they were going to die anyway.


#IGNORE

Ah, you are losing the run of yourself now.

The simple fact is a lot of people who died were very sick anyway. Its not "crap" as you like to call it, its a fact.

I am not referring to people who died with no underlying conditions, stop trying to claim that. You are the only one insulting these people.

NIAC Fanboy

Goldengirl wrote: »

Ah here, they don't

Fact is they do, if you bother watching some of them.

Kivaro

Deleted User wrote: »

Is this the reason why Brazil, and Argentina, didn't sign a deal with Pfizer: https://www.pharmaceutical-technology.com/news/company-news/pfizer-latin-american-vaccine/

"Pfizer reportedly asked governments in Argentina and Brazil to put up sovereign assets, including military bases and federal bank reserves, as collateral for potential future legal costs."

Yikes. Now that part was not reported on France24.

blackcard

NIAC Fanboy wrote: »

I am referring to the usual news headline along the lines of "today we have 358 cases and 38 deaths" etc.

That is as much as the vast majority of people, including me, will hear.

The state agencies could surely come up with a better way of giving an overall snapshot don't you think?

Countless times I have heard people gasp and say "62 death today" 46 dead today" etc.

And as you keep ignoring, politicians will wheel the number out on prime time a few hours later and claim all the families are grieving tonight, when this is simply not the cases.

Except the News Headlines do not say we had 38 deaths today. They say that 38 deaths were announced today or reported today. It is very easy to understand

Kivaro

Kivaro wrote: »

Yikes. Now that part was not reported on France24.

Yes, it's pretty scary when you think about it.

The mainstream media have a habit of leaving nuggets of information out. Often significant nuggets.

Probably a dumb question - but is covid still a notifiable disease? How does that work with all of the private tests going on? Noticed rapid antigen tests being advertised on the radio today - mail order buy a batch of 10 for €100, made me curious.

Jim_Hodge

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

Jesus wept! The old "they would have died anyway' line.

I thought we had moved on from this cr@p.

Have you seen the overall death figures for 2020 yet? The number is not fully confirmed just yet as some more deaths could be registered. But it’s less than previous years.

So yeah, the data suggests that there wasn’t excess deaths. Which suggests most of those people would have died anyways.

Sobit1964

Deleted User wrote: »

Have you seen the overall death figures for 2020 yet? The number is not fully confirmed just yet as some more deaths could be registered. But it’s less than previous years.

So yeah, the data suggests that there wasn’t excess deaths. Which suggests most of those people would have died anyways.

But we are to blame for all the people who died cases, as we all went a bit mad at christmas.

saabsaab

Deleted User wrote: »

Have you seen the overall death figures for 2020 yet? The number is not fully confirmed just yet as some more deaths could be registered. But it’s less than previous years.

So yeah, the data suggests that there wasn’t excess deaths. Which suggests most of those people would have died anyways.

Really? With all the restrictions on other medical procedures etc etc.
I wonder what it would have been if nothing had been done?

Gael23

What is this man doing?
https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-lockdown-is-main-reason-for-drop-in-coronavirus-cases-and-deaths-not-vaccinations-says-boris-johnson-12274266

Sobit1964

Gael23 wrote: »

What is this man doing?
https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-lockdown-is-main-reason-for-drop-in-coronavirus-cases-and-deaths-not-vaccinations-says-boris-johnson-12274266

Trying and failing to look affable.

Widdensushi

Gael23 wrote: »

What is this man doing?
https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-lockdown-is-main-reason-for-drop-in-coronavirus-cases-and-deaths-not-vaccinations-says-boris-johnson-12274266

Trying to stop people thinking the pandemic is over

NIAC Fanboy

Deleted User wrote: »

Have you seen the overall death figures for 2020 yet? The number is not fully confirmed just yet as some more deaths could be registered. But it’s less than previous years.

So yeah, the data suggests that there wasn’t excess deaths. Which suggests most of those people would have died anyways.

Which is why NPHET stopped reporting the median age of death.

PTH2009

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

This whole forum has gone off the deep end today. Is there something in the air?

A lot of frustration esp watching our near neighbours in England and other UK areas reopening/planning to

NIAC Fanboy

PTH2009 wrote: »

A lot of frustration esp watching our near neighbours in England and other UK areas reopening/planning to

Well I'd say a mixture of frustration and delight.

Many are frustrated that we look like we are in never ending lockdown when they have their freedom.

The rest are delighted as they believe England will be in lockdown again soon and are looking forward to when they can say "I told ye England would be back in lockdown again after a few months, we were right to stay in lockdown""

pjohnson

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

This whole forum has gone off the deep end today. Is there something in the air?

The fact things are starting to reopen here seems to be badly affecting those who wanted things to open?

Odd but not surprising.