Covid 19 Part XXXIV-249,437 ROI(4,906 deaths) 120,195 NI (2,145 deaths)(01/05)Read OP

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Faugheen wrote: »

More lies

Here’s today’s press release:

https://www.gov.ie/en/press-release/adbb0-statement-from-the-national-public-health-emergency-team-tuesday-13-april/

“The median age of those who died was 85 years and the age range was 46-102 years.”

Seriously what do you get actually lying to people?

Hard to take anything from that poster seriously. Just making stuff up. Couldn't even check today's press release

KrustyUCC

TheDoctor wrote: »

Hospital numbers at 8pm

Total 189 (down from 203 last night)
ICU 47 (up from 46 last night - 0 deaths)

Lowest daily 8pm total hospital number since 9th Oct (187)

Lowest between peak of second and third wave was 12th Dec (192)


Last Tuesday
Total 220
ICU 58

Brilliant to see

NIAC Fanboy

Faugheen wrote: »

More lies

Here’s today’s press release:



“The median age of those who died was 85 years and the age range was 46-102 years.”

Seriously what do you get actually lying to people?

Yeah buried where the general public won't go looking. A bit like reporting "those with underlying medical conditions" where is this hidden now, never hear about it in the headline information anymore either.

Professor Liam Fanning, immunologist, laying out the blunt truth on Prime Time: "We have become risk adverse. If you were concerned about the potential risk of side effects with panadol, you wouldn't take it all."
Why drive, tucked into a steak or even get out of the bed in the morning. The risk of harm is present however minuscule, we do it anyway without second thought. And a virtually non-existent risk of blood clotting in the wider population is an acceptable one, common sense must prevail and the vaccination programme continue apace.

Faugheen

NIAC Fanboy wrote: »

Yeah buried where the general public won't go looking. A bit like reporting "those with underlying medical conditions" where is this hidden now, never hear about it in the headline information anymore either.

You said they stopped reporting it. You have been caught out in a lie. It took me less than a minute to find that.

Now you’ve been caught out, instead of owning it you move the goalposts.

You just couldn’t be arsed looking for information becauae you know it doesn’t match up with your weird agenda.

You lied. Own it.

Sofa King Great

Isn't the next review supposed to be the start of May? Are we really keeping non essential retail closed for another 4 weeks when we have less than 200 people in hospital?

jackboy

Deleted User wrote: »

Professor Liam Fanning, immunologist, laying out the blunt truth on Prime Time: "We have become risk adverse. If you were concerned about the potential risk of side effects with panadol, you wouldn't take it all."
Why drive, tucked into a steak or even get out of the bed in the morning. The risk of harm is present however minuscule, we do it anyway without second thought. And a virtually non-existent risk of blood clotting in the wider population is an acceptable one, common sense must prevail and the vaccination programme continue apace.

I think too many have become comfortable with the pandemic. Not using safe effective vaccines at this point is lunacy.

Mitch Connor

jackboy wrote: »

I think too many have become comfortable with the pandemic. Not using safe effective vaccines at this point is lunacy.

If I was offered AZ tomorrow I'd take it and I world say I'm not alone in that.

Prescribing the decision of government to the people is wrong.

Akesh

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Professor Liam Fanning, immunologist, laying out the blunt truth on Prime Time: "We have become risk adverse. If you were concerned about the potential risk of side effects with panadol, you wouldn't take it all."
Why drive, tucked into a steak or even get out of the bed in the morning. The risk of harm is present however minuscule, we do it anyway without second thought. And a virtually non-existent risk of blood clotting in the wider population is an acceptable one, common sense must prevail and the vaccination programme continue apace.

What has really been risk adverse is the government and NPHETs approach to Covid-19.

People not taking vaccines is a direct result of hysteria from the scientific community. The science behind the approach to Covid-19 is akin to the science of sociology, aka just make it up as you go along.

WoollyRedHat

For the week that's in it, has anyone mentioned that NPHET ate my baby? Because I'm pretty sure NPHET ate my baby and NIAC stole my jab.

SilentGreenx32

pjohnson wrote: »

The fact things are starting to reopen here seems to be badly affecting those who wanted things to open?

Odd but not surprising.

Such a bull**** post.

Definitely not surprising from yourself

Cork2021

jackboy wrote: »

I think too many have become comfortable with the pandemic. Not using safe effective vaccines at this point is lunacy.

There’s a lot and I mean a lot of people who’ve become far too comfortable with this horror show. The mood is changing amongst the general public now.
I always blame Nphet as they do advise the restrictions but it’s the government fault in the main as they fûcked up Xmas and will now only follow what Nphet say and to hell with the all the small businesses that’ll will be damaged for now and possibly forever.

We’ve come accustomed to the blame game and numbed by restrictions. The vaccines had/have given us hope but this abundance of caution crap will be to the detriment of the people and we could quite possibly see more people dying or getting sersiouly I’ll due to this and thus lead us into continuing lockdown!

hmmm

Cork2021 wrote: »

We’ve come accustomed to the blame game and numbed by restrictions. The vaccines had/have given us hope but this abundance of caution crap will be to the detriment of the people and we could quite possibly see more people dying or getting sersiouly I’ll due to this and thus lead us into continuing lockdown!

I think the mood is changing amongst the majority of the public. Not an anger thing, just an impatience. Most people think NPHET and the others have done a reasonably good job in very difficult circumstances, but they want this to end. The vaccines are seen as the main way for this to end, and people are not happy with delays.

I think the public are willing to take a lot more risk than officials realise to accelerate this to an end. It's for the Government to provide whatever legal and professional cover is required to allow our public health people tilt the balance towards speed and away from minimising tiny risks.

RGS

Mitch Connor wrote: »

If I was offered AZ tomorrow I'd take it and I world say I'm not alone in that.

Prescribing the decision of government to the people is wrong.

I'd put my arm out for AZ jab too.

It should be offered to anyone who wants it. I'd even sign a disclaimer if asked.

Danno

Deleted User wrote: »

Professor Liam Fanning, immunologist, laying out the blunt truth on Prime Time: "We have become risk adverse. If you were concerned about the potential risk of side effects with panadol, you wouldn't take it all."
Why drive, tucked into a steak or even get out of the bed in the morning. The risk of harm is present however minuscule, we do it anyway without second thought. And a virtually non-existent risk of blood clotting in the wider population is an acceptable one, common sense must prevail and the vaccination programme continue apace.

Its time to open everything up - people know the risks, let them take them as they see fit.

Cork2021

RGS wrote: »

I'd put my arm out for AZ jab too.

It should be offered to anyone who wants it. I'd even sign a disclaimer if asked.

As the next few weeks go by I can see this happening as pharmacies start dishing out the jabs. The faster we all get a jab and are willing to sign the waiver.
I’ll be first in the queue

Cluedo Monopoly

RGS wrote: »

I'd put my arm out for AZ jab too.

It should be offered to anyone who wants it. I'd even sign a disclaimer if asked.

What's the point in a disclaimer when the governments have indemnified the vaccine manufacturers already to facilitate a faster rollout?

Jim_Hodge

Cluedo Monopoly wrote: »

What's the point in a disclaimer when the governments have indemnified the vaccine manufacturers already to facilitate a faster rollout?

Saves the Government having to pay out in the event of adverse reactions,

Goldengirl

Deleted User wrote: »

Professor Liam Fanning, immunologist, laying out the blunt truth on Prime Time: "We have become risk adverse. If you were concerned about the potential risk of side effects with panadol, you wouldn't take it all."
Why drive, tucked into a steak or even get out of the bed in the morning. The risk of harm is present however minuscule, we do it anyway without second thought. And a virtually non-existent risk of blood clotting in the wider population is an acceptable one, common sense must prevail and the vaccination programme continue apace.

Maybe .
But the other side of that is if the rest of the Western world decided to stop giving a vaccine , how would the Irish public react to being told " hey it's a very low risk , take it " ?
Wouldn't be long before there would be an outcry .

Also as said before , big difference in a medication with known side effects at this stage like Panadol and a vaccine that is just going through real world trials .
Surprised at that doctor saying such silly thing on the radio , bet his patients are filled with trust in him after that !

As Dr Crowley, Haemotologist , has reiterated today , we are relying on reporting of side effects so everyone knows all the risks before they take the vaccines .
It is the only way to ensure that the rollout is safe and to safeguard against vaccine hesitancy .
If they come back and say , " look we feel that under the age of 40 should not take this vaccine , but those over 40 can have it , but as long as they read the information about the risks and sign a waiver " , it would be different as people will be giving INFORMED consent .

Edit . Heard Dr Fanning going on about Panadol side effects on TV there but he talked about it with reference to the high risks associated with Covid in the over 60s ...context is everything !

RGS

Cluedo Monopoly wrote: »

What's the point in a disclaimer when the governments have indemnified the vaccine manufacturers already to facilitate a faster rollout?

With the NIAC recommendation the government indemnity to AZ may not stand up in court as the vaccine was issued outside the NIAC protocols.

hmmm

Goldengirl wrote: »

If they come back and say , " look we feel that under the age of 40 should not take this vaccine , but those over 40 can have it , but as long as they read the information about the risks and sign a waiver " , it would be different as people will be giving INFORMED consent .

I suspect this is a case where too much information is clouding the message.

I presume the strategy is to only administer it to low-risk groups while more information is gathered as to the possible causes of the clots, and advice may change in the coming weeks.

I know I suggested a waiver myself, but I also know you can't give someone something dangerous on matter what they sign. Where the government perhaps need to assist with is the definition of what "dangerous" is - wheel the attorney general out of the sideshows in the high court and back to look into vaccine safety.

NIAC Fanboy

Cork2021 wrote: »

There’s a lot and I mean a lot of people who’ve become far too comfortable with this horror show. The mood is changing amongst the general public now.
I always blame Nphet as they do advise the restrictions but it’s the government fault in the main as they fûcked up Xmas and will now only follow what Nphet say and to hell with the all the small businesses that’ll will be damaged for now and possibly forever.

We’ve come accustomed to the blame game and numbed by restrictions. The vaccines had/have given us hope but this abundance of caution crap will be to the detriment of the people and we could quite possibly see more people dying or getting sersiouly I’ll due to this and thus lead us into continuing lockdown!

Far too many people in this country, including many on here, are no longer capable of seeing the wood from the trees

abundance of caution
stillbirths linked to covid
the next X weeks are crucial
new variants
70% more transmissible
this is now a new virus

The list is endless, yet people just lap it up without challenging the narrative.

bucketybuck

Sofa King Great wrote: »

Isn't the next review supposed to be the start of May? Are we really keeping non essential retail closed for another 4 weeks when we have less than 200 people in hospital?

When you hear Glynns comments it is even worse.

Deaths are soon going to flatline same as they did last summer, but they are going to keep society locked down to protect against a 4th wave, ignoring the fact that even their criminally slow vaccine rollout will have all the vulnerable vaccinated by the time that any 4th wave would even have arrived.

Cowardly ****s, each and every one of them. The vulnerable are vaccinated, we all know the risks, they need to take their ****ing boots off our necks and let us live.

NIAC Fanboy

bucketybuck wrote: »

When you hear Glynns comments it is even worse.

Deaths are soon going to flatline same as they did last summer, but they are going to keep society locked down to protect against a 4th wave, ignoring the fact that even their criminally slow vaccine rollout will have all the vulnerable vaccinated by the time that any 4th wave would even have arrived.

Cowardly ****s, each and every one of them. The vulnerable are vaccinated, we all know the risks, they need to take their ****ing boots off our necks and let us live.

And when a report came out that outdoor transmission was vastly lower than indoor transmission NPHET went straight into bat with the media to pour cold water on it.

NIAC Fanboy

Ireland’s deputy chief medical officer has urged parents of schoolchildren not organise playdates

Lets not forget this gem. No other government carries on with this boll*x.

Goldengirl

hmmm wrote: »

I suspect this is a case where too much information is clouding the message.

I presume the strategy is to only administer it to low-risk groups while more information is gathered as to the possible causes of the clots, and advice may change in the coming weeks.

I know I suggested a waiver myself, but I also know you can't give someone something dangerous on matter what they sign. Where the government perhaps need to assist with is the definition of what "dangerous" is - wheel the attorney general out of the sideshows in the high court and back to look into vaccine safety.

Yes agreed .
It will most probably end up with a' refinement of the age groups' rather than a waiver .
This is too new a situation to expect people to weigh up the ins and outs of what could be a potential danger or not when the pressure is on everyone to get vaccinated and out of this asap !
In fact it might even come down to the government being sued for continuing to give a vaccine to people ' under duress ' ..I hear this in people posting here who just want a jab , any jab , to get out of the situation we are in.

Boggerman12

Reeling in the yrs started back the other nite .the arrival of the imf.that’s what’s needed now.this country to lose the ability to borrow money which in turn would end this **** show.there are not enough of us who believe in the ott response to this whole pandemic and the negativity even when there is the slimmest bit of good news.
The new buzz phrase of abundance of caution can be added to the other bull**** phrases like hold firm and we’re all in this together.fighting Irish.....my arse

manofwisdom

TheDoctor wrote: »

Hospital numbers at 8pm

Total 189 (down from 203 last night)
ICU 47 (up from 46 last night - 0 deaths)

Lowest daily 8pm total hospital number since 9th Oct (187)

Lowest between peak of second and third wave was 12th Dec (192)


Last Tuesday
Total 220
ICU 58

Great progress long may it continue.

What Username Guidelines

NIAC Fanboy wrote: »

And when a report came out that outdoor transmission was vastly lower than indoor transmission NPHET went straight into bat with the media to pour cold water on it.

While it's obvious outdoor transmission is vastly lower than indoor, they had to pour cold water on it as they know how nonexistant our contract tracing is. That data came from reports where almost everything is lumped in as household transmission because actual source of infection is rarely traced accurately. This leaves other transmissions as vastly undercounted, including outdoor transmission.

Leftwaffe

NPHET: Any increase in socialisation over next few weeks could lead to a fourth wave of the virus. This situation is volatile.

Also NPHET: Schools are safe settings. It’s ok for over 1 million people to congregate indoors.

Who do you think is getting blamed when the numbers increase? The play dates and garden meetings...