Covid 19 Part XXXIV-249,437 ROI(4,906 deaths) 120,195 NI (2,145 deaths)(01/05)Read OP

cheezums

Faugheen wrote: »

If they’re kept on the website then the likes of RTE will still be able to get them so I don’t see what difference it will make.

as i said in previous post, RTE have a part to play too. do we really need the daily case numbers as a headline (often the main headline) every single day?

Corholio

cheezums wrote: »

as i said in previous post, RTE have a part to play too. do we really need the daily case numbers as a headline (often the main headline) every single day?

Virgin media are far more dramatic about them imo, certainly not just an RTE thing.

Mitch Connor

cheezums wrote: »

as i said in previous post, RTE have a part to play too. do we really need the daily case numbers as a headline (often the main headline) every single day?

If people are looking for them, it is news worthy, and the state broadcaster should be providing news worthy news.

RTE running an agenda is a constant complaint on here - RTE deciding that case numbers are no longer news worthy would also be them pushing an agenda.

IMO, the cases should be reported, but the context of the cases should be clearly reported with them.

What is the positivity rate of swabs/cases. What is the ratio of cases where people are asymptomatic or a mild case. how does it stack up vs ICU/Hospital admissions. What does the R number look like. What do the case numbers mean with respect to lockdown measures (government should be fecking telling us this).
400 cases is a huge number when we were in low double digits previously. But when you consider the positivity rate of swabs is consistently below 3% again is the case number more reflective of there being far more testing than previously.

Context is key, and it isn't clear enough.

Deeper Blue

Eod100 wrote: »

Looks like NPHET considering going to 1 briefing a week from next month. Hopefully a good sign.

https://www.thejournal.ie/nphet-to-consider-holding-briefings-just-once-a-week-if-improvement-continues-5408125-Apr2021/?utm_source=twitter_short

That's about 10 months overdue. Considering the standard of questioning I think they're wasting their time doing it twice a week and have been for ages.

Galwayhurl

Any update on hospital/ICU numbers for 8 a.m. this morning? Is there a link that I can check? Thanks.

is_that_so

Galwayhurl wrote: »

Any update on hospital/ICU numbers for 8 a.m. this morning? Is there a link that I can check? Thanks.

RTE at 8 a.m. had it at 192 and 49. You can check on the data hub or the HSE daily reports page.

https://covid19ireland-geohive.hub.arcgis.com/

https://www.hse.ie/eng/services/news/newsfeatures/covid19-updates/coronavirus-daily-operations-updates.html

Galwayhurl

is_that_so wrote: »

RTE at 8 a.m. had it at 192 and 49. You can check on the data hub or the HSE daily reports page.

https://covid19ireland-geohive.hub.arcgis.com/

https://www.hse.ie/eng/services/news/newsfeatures/covid19-updates/coronavirus-daily-operations-updates.html

Super. Thanks for that.

MrMusician18

cheezums wrote: »

as i said in previous post, RTE have a part to play too. do we really need the daily case numbers as a headline (often the main headline) every single day?

To be honest, the reason they are often the headline is because there is no other news of note.

Fantastic news that NPHET briefings are to be reduced to 1 session per week.

That's also 50% fewer totally stupid questions from alleged journalists.

Stheno

This is a pretty poor indictment of Tallaght hospital, over a year into this pandemic

Thirty per cent of Covid-19 cases in Tallaght University Hospital were contracted there, according to a report critical of actions taken by the hospital to separate virus and non-virus patients.

The hospital experienced virus outbreaks last year, with five still ongoing at the time of the Health Information and Quality Authority inspection last December.

Inspectors found the screening of patients arriving in the emergency department for Covid-19 did not take place until registration.

“This was not in line with HSE guidelines and presented a potential weakness to the rapid identification and streaming of patients into Covid-19 and non-Covid-19 pathways,” Hiqa says.

“In addition, controls in place in the emergency department to limit entry points, reduce entry to accompanying adults, ensure adequate cleaning resources and reduce risks associated with staff crossover were insufficient.”

Inspectors found measures to prevent crossover of staff between Covid and non-Covid streams were not in place in the ED, while Covid resuscitation bays were not “functionally separated” from non-Covid bays, thus increasing the risk of infection.

The risks identified by inspectors “did not provide assurance that measures implemented to address (them) were either effective or sufficient”.

Up to June 2020, 373 patients and 291 staff members tested positive for the virus. Between March and June last year, the hospital experienced 11 outbreaks in 10 wards, whose duration varied from 29 days to 63 days.

During the first surge of the pandemic, 30 per cent of cases were “hospital-associated” and linked to 10 wards.

Responding to Hiqa, hospital management said it had taken action to address the findings identified by inspectors. However, additional resources would be need for a dedicated medical team for the Covid-19 pathway and this would have to be approved at hospital group level.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/almost-a-third-of-covid-cases-in-tallaght-hospital-contracted-there-hiqa-finds-1.4538254

ednwireland

Stheno wrote: »

This is a pretty poor indictment of Tallaght hospital, over a year into this pandemic

maternity ward in letterkenny apparently has an outbreak as well recently

bb1234567

European Union has passed the milestone of 100 million vaccinations today. Nice!

timsey tiger

bb1234567 wrote: »

European Union has passed the milestone of 100 million vaccinations today. Nice!

700m to go

MerlinSouthDub

GP referral data for the week so far, the trend is good!

https://tomorrowscare.ie/covid/2021-04-15_COVID_GP_Survey_Results.pdf

Eod100

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1382673304918622215?s=19

Lucas Hood

418 positive swabs, 2.81% positivity on 14,862 tests.
7 day test positivity is 2.8%.

- Thursday, April 15th 2021

stephenjmcd

Lucas Hood wrote: »

418 positive swabs, 2.81% positivity on 14,862 tests.
7 day test positivity is 2.8%.

- Thursday, April 15th 2021

Quite impressive to be honest after Easter. GP data all still going the right way. Things look good

is_that_so

Eod100 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1382673304918622215?s=19

Common sense thinking! We can be good on that sometimes.

Faugheen

is_that_so wrote: »

No, it's actually the HSPC with the numbers and always has been. NPHET just do all the fancy data stuff.

Sorry, you're actually correct here. It's NPHET that just releases the info.

OwenM

timmyntc wrote: »

An R number with a range as large as that is effectively useless.

A range of 0.5 to 1.0 would mean we are either suppressing the virus, or we are not. Its totally inconclusive and is basically a cop-out by Nolan et al - afraid to commit to one number so they give a broad range which means they are always "right", but the data they present is of no use to anyone.

An essential talent if you are to succeed in the Irish Public/Civil service

MrMusician18

OwenM wrote: »

An essential talent if you are to succeed in the Irish Public/Civil service

They cannot commit to one number because of the uncertainties that are inherent in modelling human behaviour. In fact as case numbers decline the uncertainty will increase as the impact of one eejit superspreading has a greater impact on the statistical set.

The fact that they've said that R is at 1 or below means they're confident that the disease spread is stable to falling.

If they were really hedging their bets they would've said that R was between 0.5 and 1.2, where it would mean that they couldn't tell if it was rising or falling.

Some people are far too quick to stick the boot into the CS. Quite ignorant actually.

Salvation Tambourine

Sorry if this is common knowledge but how often are patients in hospital with Covid tested? Are their positive tests included in the daily figures?

Derek Zoolander

MrMusician18 wrote: »

They cannot commit to one number because of the uncertainties that are inherent in modelling human behaviour. In fact as case numbers decline the uncertainty will increase as the impact of one eejit superspreading has a greater impact on the statistical set.

The fact that they've said that R is at 1 or below means they're confident that the disease spread is stable to falling.

If they were really hedging their bets they would've said that R was between 0.5 and 1.2, where it would mean that they couldn't tell if it was rising or falling.

Some people are far too quick to stick the boot into the CS. Quite ignorant actually.

not really - they can only calculate the historical R number... there is no reason they can't present it factually see how switzerland do it - historical 2 week actual R number number

https://www.covid19.admin.ch/en/repro/val

the estimate for the current R value is way too broad and they are hedging far to much - that number doesn't add any value

Faugheen

Mitch Connor wrote: »

If people are looking for them, it is news worthy, and the state broadcaster should be providing news worthy news.

RTE running an agenda is a constant complaint on here - RTE deciding that case numbers are no longer news worthy would also be them pushing an agenda.

IMO, the cases should be reported, but the context of the cases should be clearly reported with them.

What is the positivity rate of swabs/cases. What is the ratio of cases where people are asymptomatic or a mild case. how does it stack up vs ICU/Hospital admissions. What does the R number look like. What do the case numbers mean with respect to lockdown measures (government should be fecking telling us this).
400 cases is a huge number when we were in low double digits previously. But when you consider the positivity rate of swabs is consistently below 3% again is the case number more reflective of there being far more testing than previously.

Context is key, and it isn't clear enough.

This entire post is spot on.

I understand some people here don’t want to be inundated with the numbers and all of that, but they are still important and the problem has been how they have been reported by the media rather than them being reported in the first place.

MrMusician18

Derek Zoolander wrote: »

not really - they can only calculate the historical R number... there is no reason they can't present it factually see how switzerland do it - historical 2 week actual R number number

https://www.covid19.admin.ch/en/repro/val

the estimate for the current R value is way too broad and they are hedging far to much - that number doesn't add any value

Yes they could go back on the data and refine R for the past but there is little or no value in that academic exercise when commenting on the current or near current disease trend. The Swiss their R value is the mid point between the upper and Lower bound with the true R number having a 95% probability of lying within that range.

If we were reporting like the Swiss we would be saying that R is 0.75 which is wrong.

Turtwig

OwenM wrote: »

An essential talent if you are to succeed in the Irish Public/Civil service

Meh every single measurement in science and engineering is done in this way. Every number from the age of the universe to the size of an atom has an estimate with an uncertainty attached. Even the speedometer in your car works the same way. It may indicate your speed to be 110 km/h. In reality, your actual speed could be anywhere between 100 km/h and 110.01 km/h.

Think you're blaming the wrong sectors here. It's also an international standard. Every measurement and calculation has sources of error that need to be quantified.
The attached image probably invokes trauma in the people who recognise it.

Derek Zoolander

MrMusician18 wrote: »

Yes they could go back on the data and refine R for the past but there is little or no value in that academic exercise when commenting on the current or near current disease trend. The Swiss their R value is the mid point between the upper and Lower bound with the true R number having a 95% probability of lying within that range.

If we were reporting like the Swiss we would be saying that R is 0.75 which is wrong.

They are calculating historical R values within a stated confidence interval - the value is historical and is a lot more accurate than the broad range we currently report... which is useless.

I do take your point that historical R-values are of no real relevance to current disease state

MrMusician18

Derek Zoolander wrote: »

They are calculating historical R values within a stated confidence interval - the value is historical and is a lot more accurate than the broad range we currently report... which is useless.

I do take your point that historical R-values are of no real relevance to current disease state

The broad range we report is the confidence interval.

Eod100

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1382707102209163278

Batattackrat

Eod100 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1382707102209163278

I'm starting to like Leo more and more as the weeks go by.

Mehole Martin is out of his depth.