Covid 19 Part XXXIV-249,437 ROI(4,906 deaths) 120,195 NI (2,145 deaths)(01/05)Read OP

Hang on...I know I’m not as familiar with the Irish restrictions as most, living overseas right now, but are outside pubs not next up for reopening? That’s feckin crazy.

I’m guessing it’s just down to NPHETS hatred of alcohol.

MrMusician18

Deleted User wrote: »

Hang on...I know I’m not as familiar with the Irish restrictions as most, living overseas right now, but are outside pubs not next up for reopening? That’s feckin crazy.

I’m guessing it’s just down to NPHETS hatred of alcohol.

Nphet don't make government policy

Faugheen

174 in hospital
48 in ICU

More progress. Great to see.

saabsaab

Corholio wrote: »

Comparing Christmas is a bit of an off comparison imo. It's a very specific time of year where people crowded for specific reasons, buying presents, meeting people inside in heated areas, out for the atmosphere, and indeed people travelling home (just part of the factor not the biggest that some bang on about) were all factors that made it explode. It's a different time of year with very different factors, warmer weather, more likely to want to be outside, a lot of the elderly vaccinated etc.

I'm not saying open everything up, but the 'we saw what happened at Christmas' thing isn't that comparable tbh.

Coming into Summer more people traveling, people out for the first time since Christmas and inward foreign travel. Not all that different.

MrMusician18

MrMusician18 wrote: »

Nphet don't make government policy

And round we go again!!!

Jinglejangle69

Miriam O'Callaghans Fianna Fáil brother Jim taking about variantsssssss on the Tonight Show.



Spoofer.

Faugheen

Deleted User wrote: »

And round we go again!!!

And this will keep happening as long as people are allowed to peddle that lie until they get the message.

Jim_Hodge

Deleted User wrote: »

And round we go again!!!

In fairness, you started it while knowing rightly that NPHET don't actually make the final decisions.

saabsaab

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Miriam O'Callaghans Fianna Fáil brother Jim taking about variantsssssss on the Tonight Show.



Spoofer.

What did he say?

Jinglejangle69

saabsaab wrote: »

What did he say?

Like a deer in the headlights when asked why people from the UK aren't asked to MHQ.

Then went on about variants and that's the reason for MHQ from other countries.

Pressed on the UK variant and started rambling about how they are required to quarantine at home.

Whole thing is a farce.

Jinglejangle69

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Like a deer in the headlights when asked why people from the UK aren't asked to MHQ.

Then went on about variants and that's the reason for MHQ from other countries.

Pressed on the UK variant and started rambling about how they are required to quarantine at home.

Whole thing is a farce.

I wonder is Ireland the country that is most concerned in the world about potential variants. Every day there seems to be a new story about potential variants.

Cluedo Monopoly

There will be a Sinn Fein variant yet.

Jim O'Callaghan was woeful on the Tonight Show. Interesting to see him on it all the same. I thought he would be above all that.

marno21

saabsaab wrote: »

What did he say?

He’s on with Kingston Mills and Ilona Duffy now on +1 if you have it.

RGS

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Like a deer in the headlights when asked why people from the UK aren't asked to MHQ.

Then went on about variants and that's the reason for MHQ from other countries.

Pressed on the UK variant and started rambling about how they are required to quarantine at home.

Whole thing is a farce.

In fairness to jim o'callaghan he was stating we have to live with covid and things need to open up.

On MHQ I got the impression he was defending something he doesn't believe in..

Jinglejangle69

RGS wrote: »

In fairness to jim o'callaghan he was stating we have to live with covid and things need to open up.

On MHQ I got the impression he was defending something he doesn't believe in..

Yeah talk about him changing his tune to tow the party line.

Dissapointing.

Just another populist spoofer.

None of them have any balls.

Corholio

saabsaab wrote: »

Coming into Summer more people traveling, people out for the first time since Christmas and inward foreign travel. Not all that different.

Different seasons, weather, more likely to meet outdoors, no short hectic event, not the same 'family' tradition, It's a lot different imo, cases would go up inevitably from more people out but nothing like the rapid situation at Christmas. Again, I'm not one that's calling for everything to just open.

Loafing Oaf

Cluedo Monopoly wrote: »

There will be a Sinn Fein variant yet.

Jim O'Callaghan was woeful on the Tonight Show. Interesting to see him on it all the same. I thought he would be above all that.

Why above all that? He's trying to position himself as FF's 'king over the water'. Of course a lot of that profile building is going on away from the spotlight on the 'rubber chicken circuit' but he needs a certain level of media visibility too...

Dickie10

saabsaab wrote: »

I'd say we would have outdoor pubs in May. Depending on the roll out.

id say mid august for the staycation before schools reopen. then schools go back numbers go up and they shut last week in september again.

caveat emptor

podgeandrodge wrote: »

Is it fair to say that, as a result of that doctor "discovering" the link with the clots, the vaccine is less used, so a greater number of deaths might now occur, though from Covid and not from that vaccine?

Yeah probably. Depends on the demographics of spread and on the vaccine rollout rate. This is how Pharmacovigilance works. I think during a pandemic they should be quicker at dealing with things like this as and when they arise and get going again. If it's only affecting women of a certain age then don't give them it while it's worked out.

Although the rate of this rare blood clotting from the vaccine is very likely to be under reported due to nobody connecting the dots until recently, it's still incredibly rare for most people. Even so one of the doctors involved clearly stated that it shouldn't be stopped. The good thing is that they know what to look for and the treatment will make it less deadly. This was the best thing about it.

Prof. Marcel Levi, MD PhD FRCP

He did not want them to take action, he said, “because I think that vaccination is absolutely great and we should not stop it and we should not scare people. But just to make them aware. So I think they kept a close eye on the numbers in the following days.”

Levi wanted hospitals everywhere to know how to diagnose and treat this new condition. “We began to exchange information with some colleagues from the rest of Europe. The German group had quite a lot of experience with this particular condition. They had exactly the same information, but they were a little bit reluctant to share it with other people because they were in the process of getting it published in one of the scientific journals,” he said.

forumdedum

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Yeah talk about him changing his tune to tow the party line.

Dissapointing.

Just another populist spoofer.

None of them have any balls.

I think he's 1 can short of a six pack. Therefore a future Taoiseach :-)

Azatadine

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Like a deer in the headlights when asked why people from the UK aren't asked to MHQ.

That was hilarious! You could see his eyes pop open and the realisation that he had no clue how to answer that question all over his face. He really was like a deer in the headlights.

is_that_so

Dickie10 wrote: »

id say mid august for the staycation before schools reopen. then schools go back numbers go up and they shut last week in september again.

That is very doubtful with so many having had vaccine shots at that stage. Israeli data already hinting that about 60% coverage may even do it. Unless, of course, this is what you want to see!

is_that_so

RGS wrote: »

In fairness to jim o'callaghan he was stating we have to live with covid and things need to open up.

On MHQ I got the impression he was defending something he doesn't believe in..

Not all of them do but in the face of the vast majority of the Dail wanting to lock out the entire world, who'd be agin' it?

normanoffside

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Like a deer in the headlights when asked why people from the UK aren't asked to MHQ.

Then went on about variants and that's the reason for MHQ from other countries.

Pressed on the UK variant and started rambling about how they are required to quarantine at home.

Whole thing is a farce.

Why would the UK be on the MHQ list?
Their variant is also our dominant one and they have lower cases than us to boot.

Dickie10

Dickie10 wrote: »

id say mid august for the staycation before schools reopen. then schools go back numbers go up and they shut last week in september again.

Just like last year eh!

DebDynamite

normanoffside wrote: »

Why would the UK be on the MHQ list?
Their variant is also our dominant one and they have lower cases than us to boot.

I agree - they don’t need to be on it, and the fact that he didn’t even have that answer already prepared is ridiculous. Fair enough if asked why Poland or India aren’t on the list as it’s much harder to defend that decision than it is the UK.

iamwhoiam

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I wonder is Ireland the country that is most concerned in the world about potential variants. Every day there seems to be a new story about potential variants.

There was an outbreak in Whistler Canada of the Brazilian variant . They locked down the town , closed the ski slopes and are vaccinating every single person over 16 who live or work in Whistler . They register for an appointment online and the centre is open until 10 pm . They were very concerned .

GeorgeBailey

Deleted User wrote: »

I wonder is Ireland the country that is most concerned in the world about potential variants. Every day there seems to be a new story about potential variants.

It's definitely worried about elsewhere too, e.g. Pat Kenny often checks in with journalists around Europe and they mention it. Even gets mentioned in random youtube videos, e.g. https://youtu.be/fqlPsAAsZss?t=155

Turtwig

is_that_so wrote: »

That is very doubtful with so many having had vaccine shots at that stage. Israeli data already hinting that about 60% coverage may even do it. Unless, of course, this is what you want to see!

Israel have very strict rules on entry into the country. Being purely selfish, I'd wish they relaxed them so we could see what effect if any travel has. They don't have the South African variant.

The UK will be our best proxy. They've used a mix of vaccines. Largely only first dose given. They're a few weeks ahead of us. We should be able to use this to our advantage.

funnydoggy

Vaccine Side Effects Q and A

https://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2021/04/14/vaccine-side-effects-q-and-a