Covid 19 Part XXXIV-249,437 ROI(4,906 deaths) 120,195 NI (2,145 deaths)(01/05)Read OP

lawred2

Faugheen wrote: »

I don't understand why you act like there is no reason to be worried about variants which potentially aren't covered by the vaccine.

It's the height of disrespect because some people would be worried about them where as lawred2 on the internet claims he/she knows everything and they're grand.

You mock people if they show worry for them. I hope none of them can get around vaccines but until we know more about them, why shouldn't we keep them out?

Could you try any harder to feign indignance!? Or to fail any harder in understanding the point!?

The issue isn't variants! It's MHQ as a tool to prevent such variants entering Ireland.

MHQ as implemented is going to do next to nothing about covid but it's great in the media stakes.

saabsaab

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

And yet we don't have MHQ for people coming from India. This is part of the issue with the whole thing. People coming from countries doing just as well or better than us in terms.of vaccination or case numbers have to quarantine, yet India, a country getting increasingly out of control and which has a worrying variant, isn't on the list.

If MHQ was implemented in a coherent and logic way, I would still have issues with it, but at least I could understand the logic. As it stands, I just don't get it.

Yes India should be on the list.

lawred2

saabsaab wrote: »

Yes India should be on the list.

The entire world needs to be on the list if the goal is to prevent all variants entering Ireland!

Including closing our land border with the UK.

lawred2

Yellow_Fern wrote: »

I m posting on before of a healthcare worker in the 70s. The online portal wont allow him to book. Does anyone know how to get register for his vaccine? Doing it through a GP hasnt been possible so far.

Does he not have a GP?

saabsaab

lawred2 wrote: »

The entire world needs to be on the list if the goal is to prevent all variants entering Ireland!

Including closing our land border with the UK.

An Ellis island for Ireland. Pity we don't have one but perhaps we do.

Yellow_Fern

lawred2 wrote: »

Does he not have a GP?

Is that the only way? How would a GP arrange it? I presume not through vaccinations.ie?

Qiaonasen

Anyone reckon the scenes in England are gonna end in disaster? The beergardens are packed and they already have variants there which AZ isn't very effective in tackling?

CruelSummer

Qiaonasen wrote: »

Anyone reckon the scenes in England are gonna end in disaster? The beergardens are packed and they already have variants there which AZ isn't very effective in tackling?

The AZ argument needs better data, tiny sample size was used initially with massive margins of error. There’s recently been a report of the South African variant getting into a care home in London where they’ve been given jab 1 of Astra. They did test positive for Covid, but symptoms were either slight or asymptomatic. Again a small sample size but positive nonetheless.

RGS

Yellow_Fern wrote: »

I m posting on before of a healthcare worker in the 70s. The online portal wont allow him to book. Does anyone know how to get register for his vaccine? Doing it through a GP hasnt been possible so far.

The portal is only open for people aged 65 to 69.

The over 70s are been done by GPS. He should contact his gp, who should be in a position to help.

CalamariFritti

odyssey06 wrote: »

Ross O'Carroll Kelly paints a grim picture of it in this undercover podcast.

Ghastly place. The walls are painted magnolia and the mini bar doesn't have any gin.

https://soundcloud.com/irishtimes-rossock/i-just-assumed-quarantine-wouldnt-affect-people-like-us

That does sound horrible though.

Drumpot

Drumpot wrote: »

If you wanted me to explain the context , you could of just asked and allowed me to respond. I don’t absorb myself in COVID or this forum so wasn’t keeping up with the thread. Those of you who do, might consider reflecting on this.

Im not sure it’s me that needs a break from the Internet.

I was surprised at such phrasing is all.

You are right about many of us not being able for bad news. We aren't all titans or emotional resilience and fortitude. And we even those of us who are resilient would find any negative outcomes of our current plight to be very difficult to take.

How are you managing Drumpot? Have you considered how you'd cope if life continued like this indefinitely?

saabsaab

Variant of concern. from India in UK.


'Prof Altmann said he suspected the Indian mutation would be escalated to a variant of concern as it holds properties that allow it to evade the coronavirus vaccines currently on offer, like the South African variant, and was more transmissible, in a similar fashion to the Californian version of Covid.“I think we should be terribly concerned about it,” he told the BBC.
“They (variants of concern) are things that can most scupper our escape plan at the moment and give us a third wave. They are a worry.”
Prof Altmann said he found it “mystifying” and “slightly confounding” that those flying in from India were not required to stay in a hotel.
The country is not currently on the government’s “red list” for travel, which sees people who have been in those countries in the previous 10 days refused entry to the UK.
British or Irish nationals, or people with UK residency rights, are able to return from red list countries but must isolate in a quarantine hotel for 10 days.
No 10 said Mr Johnson’s visit to India “is still happening later this month” but, as already announced this week, would be “slightly shorter” than the initial four-day planned trip, with most of the meetings expected to be shoehorned into a single day.
A Downing Street spokesman said the government’s red list of travel ban countries is “under constant review”, when asked why India did not feature on it.
Prime Minister Boris Johnson still intends to travel to India this month, according to No 10 (Finnbarr Webster/PA)

saabsaab

saabsaab wrote: »

Variant of concern. from India in UK.


'Prof Altmann said he suspected the Indian mutation would be escalated to a variant of concern as it holds properties that allow it to evade the coronavirus vaccines currently on offer, like the South African variant, and was more transmissible, in a similar fashion to the Californian version of Covid.“I think we should be terribly concerned about it,” he told the BBC.
“They (variants of concern) are things that can most scupper our escape plan at the moment and give us a third wave. They are a worry.”
Prof Altmann said he found it “mystifying” and “slightly confounding” that those flying in from India were not required to stay in a hotel.
The country is not currently on the government’s “red list” for travel, which sees people who have been in those countries in the previous 10 days refused entry to the UK.
British or Irish nationals, or people with UK residency rights, are able to return from red list countries but must isolate in a quarantine hotel for 10 days.
No 10 said Mr Johnson’s visit to India “is still happening later this month” but, as already announced this week, would be “slightly shorter” than the initial four-day planned trip, with most of the meetings expected to be shoehorned into a single day.
A Downing Street spokesman said the government’s red list of travel ban countries is “under constant review”, when asked why India did not feature on it.
Prime Minister Boris Johnson still intends to travel to India this month, according to No 10 (Finnbarr Webster/PA)

Depends whom you ask. Professor Francois Balloux isn't too concerned about variants: https://twitter.com/BallouxFrancois/status/1382753645561847811

Neither is this scientist: https://twitter.com/sailorrooscout/status/1383046360035901440

The media always push fear. This CNN headline, for example: https://twitter.com/sailorrooscout/status/1382684947807404038

Ficheall

lawred2 wrote: »

Could you try any harder to feign indignance!? Or to fail any harder in understanding the point!?

The issue isn't variants! It's MHQ as a tool to prevent such variants entering Ireland.

MHQ as implemented is going to do next to nothing about covid but it's great in the media stakes.

It's being poorly implemented, agreed.
The more MHQ reduces the number of people bringing either variants or even just cases of the "normal" covid into Ireland, the fewer cases we will have here. There is obviously the debate of how much MHQ is worth how much reduction in cases, but it's not an unreasonable defence mechanism.


As to what would happen if we get cases down to NZ levels and want to keep them there by careful monitoring and tracing of incoming travellers... suffice to say I'm not confident in our abilities.

Though if this is all it takes for transmission, I don't know how everyone hasn't had it multiple times already:

https://www.wired.co.uk/article/new-zealand-zero-covid-transmission?utm_source=pocket-newtab-global-en-GB

PTH2009

This new indian variant is scary not for the virus itself but with the way the government/NPHET will react to it. They will want the restrictions to stay in place

We have to remember what MM said about 'the british variant been a new virus' but only in Ireland that happened it seems

FintanMcluskey

ZX7R wrote: »

If Iawred2 is like myself, why would they worry about a variant of covid that doesn't exist yet.
Every know variant is not able too evaded vaccinations, may be less efficient but all work.

Because just like Ireland’s justification of current and ongoing restrictions, it’s now all become a risk averse “what if”

It doesn’t matter if we obliterate Ireland’s economy and social future because “what if”

What if a vaccine resistant variant appears

What if the hospitals can’t cope if we allow inter county travel before the end of June

13 months in and the message started as “flatten the curve” then “the vaccines are coming” now it seems to be “what if”

Baffling stuff

Yellow_Fern

RGS wrote: »

The portal is only open for people aged 65 to 69.

The over 70s are been done by GPS. He should contact his gp, who should be in a position to help.

Thanks. What a terrible design that these situations arise where a 70+ frontline worker who is referring people for covid tests cant even get a vaccine. The HSE is not fit for purpose.

caveat emptor

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Because just like Ireland’s justification of current and ongoing restrictions, it’s now all become a risk averse “what if”

It doesn’t matter if we obliterate Ireland’s economy and social future because “what if”

What if a vaccine resistant variant appears

What if the hospitals can’t cope if we allow inter county travel before the end of June

13 months in and the message started as “flatten the curve” then “the vaccines are coming” now it seems to be “what if”

Baffling stuff

What if we open up in December?
What if we have to close schools for 3 months?
What if we have to lose 500K jobs for 4 months?
What if we have to cancel cancer screenings?

Lots of what ifs at lots of times.

FintanMcluskey

caveat emptor wrote: »

What if we open up in December?
What if we have to close schools for 3 months?
What if we have to lose 500K jobs for 4 months?
What if we have to cancel cancer screenings?

Lots of what ifs at lots of times.

We aligned to the rest of Europe for December after months of incredibly strict lockdown

We closed schools for 6 months

We lost about 500k jobs for a year +

We cancelled cancer screening’s

All because of “what if”

saabsaab

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Because just like Ireland’s justification of current and ongoing restrictions, it’s now all become a risk averse “what if”

It doesn’t matter if we obliterate Ireland’s economy and social future because “what if”

What if a vaccine resistant variant appears

What if the hospitals can’t cope if we allow inter county travel before the end of June

13 months in and the message started as “flatten the curve” then “the vaccines are coming” now it seems to be “what if”

Baffling stuff

No not really. The vaccines should sort it out but we must wait or it could scupper our chances. Opening up now or too soon will bring no benefits and may lose our chances to open up properly. Do you really think that everything would go back to normal if we opened up now?

PTH2009

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

We aligned to the rest of Europe for December after months of incredibly strict lockdown

We closed schools for 6 months

We lost about 500k jobs for a year +

We cancelled cancer screening’s

All because of “what if”

And it didn't affect the decision makers anyway financially or dare i say it socially

FintanMcluskey

saabsaab wrote: »

No not really. The vaccines should sort it out but we must wait or it could scupper our chances. Opening up now or too soon will bring no benefits and may lose our chances to open up properly. Do you really think that everything would go back to normal if we opened up now?

No and I’m confident that normality won’t resume for a long long time in Ireland

When those in power do finally allow Ireland to resume socialising, the psychological damage will be far to great for many to have the confidence to actually socialise as before, not to mention the economic damage preventing a plethora of businesses returning

If they open all outdoor activities, inter county travel and gyms and pools now I’ll be content

caveat emptor

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

We aligned to the rest of Europe for December after months of incredibly strict lockdown

We closed schools for 6 months

We lost about 500k jobs for a year +

We cancelled cancer screening’s

All because of “what if”

Sorry I left out what if lots of people die as happened.

Wolf359f

caveat emptor wrote: »

Sorry I left out what if lots of people die as happened.

I think you should have just said: What if we don't worry about what if's!

caveat emptor

caveat emptor wrote: »

Sorry I left out what if lots of people die as happened.

What about non-covid deaths as a result of lockdowns? 130 million more people at risk of starvation by the end of 2020 (as a result of 'economic ramifications', which are a result of lockdowns), according to the UN: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/u-n-warns-hunger-pandemic-amid-threats-coronavirus-economic-downturn-n1189326

Wolf359f

Deleted User wrote: »

What about non-covid deaths as a result of lockdowns? 130 million more people at risk of starvation by the end of 2020 (as a result of 'economic ramifications', which are a result of lockdowns), according to the UN: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/u-n-warns-hunger-pandemic-amid-threats-coronavirus-economic-downturn-n1189326

I don't think the Irish Government is responsible for feeding those 130 million people.

saabsaab

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

No and I’m confident that normality won’t resume for a long long time in Ireland

When those in power do finally allow Ireland to resume socialising, the psychological damage will be far to great for many to have the confidence to actually socialise as before, not to mention the economic damage preventing a plethora of businesses returning

If they open all outdoor activities, inter county travel and gyms and pools now I’ll be content

Outdoor could be a runner but that includes Gyms and pools outdoors.

FintanMcluskey

saabsaab wrote: »

Outdoor could be a runner but that includes Gyms and pools outdoors.

It’s too risky

The poster above has alluded to all the deaths, can’t argue with that

votecounts

Yellow_Fern wrote: »

I m posting on before of a healthcare worker in the 70s. The online portal wont allow him to book. Does anyone know how to get register for his vaccine? Doing it through a GP hasnt been possible so far.

Wasn't there a portal specifically for health care workers or has this lapsed?

Corholio

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

It’s too risky

The poster above has alluded to all the deaths, can’t argue with that

What's too risky? Outdoor?

Edit: Sorry missed the sarcasm :P