Covid 19 Part XXXIV-249,437 ROI(4,906 deaths) 120,195 NI (2,145 deaths)(01/05)Read OP

Cb12345

Completely non scientific observation from a non scientist. But looking at crowd on Donabate beach today and cars in carpark vs previous weekends during lockdown. They are up by a factor of(guesstimate) 10. Looks like majority if not vast majority, of people were obeying lockdown distance limits.
So looks to me compliance really strong.

caveat emptor

Wolf359f wrote: »

I don't think the Irish Government is responsible for feeding those 130 million people.

Yeah, there were lots of people starving and dying before covid but it didn't really interfere with our lives.

So people dying worldwide means people dying in Ireland is alright.

Weird logic at best.

giveitholly

So the Indian variant is in Israel,won't be long finding out if we need to be concerned

https://twitter.com/higginsdavidw/status/1383526311662997508?s=19

caveat emptor

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

It’s too risky

The poster above has alluded to all the deaths, can’t argue with that

Do you believe people dying aren't a factor in all of this?

When will GAA be allowed? If and when it's back will you be happy?

Also when hospitals are full they are full and triage dictates who gets cared for. Hence the cancelation of cancer screenings etc.

Do you factor those deaths into your calls for reopening?

One last question. On a scale of 1-10 how accurate do you think you were in December?

caveat emptor

caveat emptor wrote: »

Yeah, there were lots of people starving and dying before covid but it didn't really interfere with our lives.

So people dying worldwide means people dying in Ireland is alright.

Weird logic at best.

I was referring to the general support for lockdowns and the ignoring by those in power of its catastrophic consequences in terms of non-covid deaths. I wasn't specifically talking about Ireland.

Derek Zoolander

giveitholly wrote: »

So the Indian variant is in Israel,won't be long finding out if we need to be concerned

https://twitter.com/higginsdavidw/status/1383526311662997508?s=19

I thought the B.1.617 variant was still a variant of interest rather than a variant of concern

FintanMcluskey

caveat emptor wrote: »

Do you believe people dying aren't a factor in all of this?

When will GAA be allowed? If and when it's back will you be happy?

Also when hospitals are full they are full and triage dictates who gets cared for. Hence the cancelation of cancer screenings etc.

Do you factor those deaths into your calls for reopening?

One last question. On a scale of 1-10 how accurate do you think you were in December?

GAA return? Don’t know really, likely not soon

Private hospitals lay empty last year at massive economic and health cost

As regards December, Irish citizens had been under mitigation measures since March, when the rest of the EU returned to relatively normal in May.

I think December proves the point long term lockdown is a counter productive measure

Remember flatten the curve

Behavioural psychologist’s would be in a better position to manage people than NPHET

PTH2009

giveitholly wrote: »

So the Indian variant is in Israel,won't be long finding out if we need to be concerned

https://twitter.com/higginsdavidw/status/1383526311662997508?s=19

Lord, this could be hitting our shores just in time for the restriction meetings :eek:

caveat emptor

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

GAA return? Don’t know really, likely not soon

Private hospitals lay empty last year at massive economic and health cost

As regards December, Irish citizens had been under mitigation measures since March, when the rest of the EU returned to relatively normal in May.

I think December proves the point long term lockdown is a counter productive measure

Remember flatten the curve

Behavioural psychologist’s would be in a better position to manage people than NPHET

I had a quick look there Fintan and I really don't want to drag up points of view but you were very dismissive of variants and the science prior to January.

I think you were way off personally.

Not good enough to say "who could have known what would transpire" after the fact.

MerlinSouthDub

Hospital report is out

176 in hospital (179 last night)
49 in icu (51 last night, 2 deaths)
7 new confirmed cases in hospital over past 24 hours

robbiezero

Cb12345 wrote: »

Completely non scientific observation from a non scientist. But looking at crowd on Donabate beach today and cars in carpark vs previous weekends during lockdown. They are up by a factor of(guesstimate) 10. Looks like majority if not vast majority, of people were obeying lockdown distance limits.
So looks to me compliance really strong.

St Annes, Dollymount and Howth were the same as usual , mobbed, so maybe just a Donabate thing.

blowitupref

Hospital operations update

In hospital 176 (decrease of 3 from 8pm last night)

In ICU 49 (decrease of two but sadly two deaths)

Last Saturday

In hospital 211
In ICU 48

FintanMcluskey

caveat emptor wrote: »

I had a quick look there Fintan and I really don't want to drag up points of view but you were very dismissive of variants and the science prior to January.

I think you were way off personally.

Not good enough to say "who could have known what would transpire" after the fact.

I’m still dismissive of the variants and the science Ireland follows

Lots of people change opinions and that ok

Real sign of a hurler on the ditch to trawl through old posts and threaten to repost them though

Ficheall

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

When those in power do finally allow Ireland to resume socialising, the psychological damage will be far to great for many to have the confidence to actually socialise as before

I don't follow this logic.. are you saying people will be more cautious about covid than the gov't says they need to be? Or am I misinterpreting?

saabsaab

Variants are where it's at now and can't be dismissed. They will determine how this will play out and nobody can be sure what that will be.

Neamhshuntasach

Cb12345 wrote: »

Completely non scientific observation from a non scientist. But looking at crowd on Donabate beach today and cars in carpark vs previous weekends during lockdown. They are up by a factor of(guesstimate) 10. Looks like majority if not vast majority, of people were obeying lockdown distance limits.
So looks to me compliance really strong.

People now meeting outdoors as opposed to sneaking people into their gaf.

Should have been always actively encouraging people to meet outside.

Wolf359f

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

I’m still dismissive of the variants and the science Ireland follows

Lots of people change opinions and that ok

Real sign of a hurler on the ditch to trawl through old posts and threaten to repost them though

It's very easy for all of us here to say the Government should do this or that etc... we're not actually the ones to make those decisions.
As much as people feel the government don't care as it doesn't effect them financially etc... I've a feeling the Christmas ****storm (which very very few on here were worried about, myself included) has the Government extra cautious and weighed on them heavily. They could have avoided or severely reduced that wave of infection and death.

You can change opinion, but if you don't learn from mistakes, we're all set to repeat mistakes. From the top of my head, Ireland, Portugal and the UK experienced in Dec/Jan what the rest of Europe is facing now, hopefully with more vaccines administered the death rate will be lowered, but I'll bet they won't be rushing to reopen soon after.

FintanMcluskey

saabsaab wrote: »

Variants are where it's at now and can't be dismissed. They will determine how this will play out and nobody can be sure what that will be.

Luke O Neill mentioned many months ago that there had been about 4000 variants, none of which were vaccine resistant.

Are people happy to live out the rest of their natural lives like this?

Wondering will the next variant swipe them if they meet other people?

FintanMcluskey

Wolf359f wrote: »

It's very easy for all of us here to say the Government should do this or that etc... we're not actually the ones to make those decisions.
As much as people feel the government don't care as it doesn't effect them financially etc... I've a feeling the Christmas ****storm (which very very few on here were worried about, myself included) has the Government extra cautious and weighed on them heavily. They could have avoided or severely reduced that wave of infection and death.

You can change opinion, but if you don't learn from mistakes, we're all set to repeat mistakes. From the top of my head, Ireland, Portugal and the UK experienced in Dec/Jan what the rest of Europe is facing now, hopefully with more vaccines administered the death rate will be lowered, but I'll bet they won't be rushing to reopen soon after.

Had the government not reopened slightly, as they did in December, Irish citizens would have spent almost 7 consecutive months limited to 5km of their homes and all non essential retail closed for that same amount of time.

That’s just an insane thought

Your last point about Europe reopening, last time I checked, most of Europe is still more open than Ireland

If Ireland follow Europe’s lockdown path for the next few months it will be a welcome reprieve

mightyreds

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Luke O Neill mentioned many months ago that there had been about 4000 variants, none of which were vaccine resistant.

Are people happy to live out the rest of their natural lives like this?

Wondering will the next variant swipe them if they meet other people?

If there's anything this pandemic has thought me it's the answer to this and that answer is yes

Ha Long Bay

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Luke O Neill mentioned many months ago that there had been about 4000 variants, none of which were vaccine resistant.

Are people happy to live out the rest of their natural lives like this?

Wondering will the next variant swipe them if they meet other people?

Just a quick question do you genuinely not know why new variants are a concern at the moment?

Deeper Blue

Surely if the SA and Brazil variants were as bad as they say then they'd be a lot more widespread than they currently are in places like the UK?

saabsaab

Think about that, 4,000 variants in 1 year already.



It won't take a genius to work out that a much more virulent one will arise as this goes on unless we vaccinate to beat the band. Across the world there is more Covid than ever, evolving as we read this. It is a race. One the corona virus only has to win once and we start again, unless we get on top of it immediately by isolation quarantines and improved vaccines.

Ficheall

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Your last point about Europe reopening, last time I checked, most of Europe is still more open than Ireland

Most of Europe also currently has more daily cases and deaths..

Wolf359f

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Had the government not reopened slightly, as they did in December, Irish citizens would have spent almost 7 consecutive months limited to 5km of their homes and all non essential retail closed for that same amount of time.

That’s just an insane thought

Your last point about Europe reopening, last time I checked, most of Europe is still more open than Ireland

If Ireland follow Europe’s lockdown path for the next few months it will be a welcome reprieve

That 7 months is based in hindsight though. that 7 months includes the months we've been locked down after Xmas. Which would not have happened if they didn't reopen at level 3 just for xmas.
Same train of thought is the longer they keep us locked down the bigger we will go wild when we open, so they are slow to reopen, so we complain etc... it's a vicious circle.

Most of Europe maybe still reopened, kinda like us at Xmas, we're slowly reopening up, not many countries are following us with relaxing restrictions though, some are getting more restrictive.

I'll agree with your last point, we need to be (or the Government) more confident vaccines work and rather than a super slow reopening, look to the data abroad (UK/USA/Israel) will provide 3 separate reopenings with 3 different levels of vaccinations to draw data from.

FintanMcluskey

saabsaab wrote: »

Think about that, 4,000 variants in 1 year already.



It won't take a genius to work out that a much more virulent one will arise as this goes on unless we vaccinate to beat the band. Across the world there is more Covid than ever, evolving as we read this. It is a race. One the corona virus only has to win once and we start again, unless we get on top of it immediately by isolation quarantines and improved vaccines.

Perhaps your right

Time to get used to our new normal for the rest of lives

Variants and all that

FintanMcluskey

Ficheall wrote: »

Most of Europe also currently has more daily cases and deaths..

Exactly my point

Ireland is using restrictions just in case

The rest of the EU is using them as a blunt tool when required

Azatadine

saabsaab wrote: »

Think about that, 4,000 variants in 1 year already.



It won't take a genius to work out that a much more virulent one will arise as this goes on unless we vaccinate to beat the band. Across the world there is more Covid than ever, evolving as we read this. It is a race. One the corona virus only has to win once and we start again, unless we get on top of it immediately by isolation quarantines and improved vaccines.

Remember that it can't evolve indefinitely as it will lose its ability to infect. Scientists can predict potential mutations.

https://twitter.com/laoneill111/status/1383518642508234763?s=19

wadacrack

saabsaab wrote: »

Think about that, 4,000 variants in 1 year already.



It won't take a genius to work out that a much more virulent one will arise as this goes on unless we vaccinate to beat the band. Across the world there is more Covid than ever, evolving as we read this. It is a race. One the corona virus only has to win once and we start again, unless we get on top of it immediately by isolation quarantines and improved vaccines.

When about 80% are vaccinated in any country it will be close to normal. Quarantine at airports will be needed. Israel has extremely low numbers. Vaccination and surveillance on new variants and mandatory quarantine at airports is likely to the way forward. Impact of vaccines on certain variants still not clear.

prunudo

MerlinSouthDub wrote: »

Hospital report is out

176 in hospital (179 last night)
49 in icu (51 last night, 2 deaths)
7 new confirmed cases in hospital over past 24 hours

Thats really good news, first time in a long long time I can recall hospital numbers dropping during a weekend.