Covid 19 Part XXXIV-249,437 ROI(4,906 deaths) 120,195 NI (2,145 deaths)(01/05)Read OP

Always_Running

Wolf359f wrote: »

We look to be over it now.
There was about 12 days where it didn't really budge. Seems to be on a downward trend now, but we still have the weekend to go!

Rarely goes down any Saturday, Sunday so we'll likely have to wait until next week before we see hospital numbers under 300.

Wolf359f

Always_Running wrote: »

Rarely goes down any Saturday, Sunday so we'll likely have to wait until next week before we see hospital numbers under 300.

I actually meant, it looks like the stagnation is behind us, but it's going to go up because of the weekend effect. Some people will see that and think it's still stagnating.

Wolf359f

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

These calculations are ignoring the spread due to HCWs themselves

Which although inevitable, was still a cause

Kidney recipients in their early 30s revived their vaccine this week

We are in a far better place than people think

It's hard to get direct figures.
The % hospitalized is based on hospital admissions, not hospital acquired covid.
The peak of 2000 certainly included hospital acquired for sure.
Fact remains ~60% of admissions are in under 65's.

I just hate people assuming because most deaths occur in over 65's that means most hospital admissions are over 65, which is not the case.

Vaccinating Cohort 4 should make a massive difference.
We certainly are in a better place, but there's too much uncertainty within Government. Personally I think Micheal Martin should **** or get off the pot!

gozunda

Wolf359f wrote: »

It's hard to get direct figures.
The % hospitalized is based on hospital admissions, not hospital acquired covid.
The peak of 2000 certainly included hospital acquired for sure.
Fact remains ~60% of admissions are in under 65's.

I just hate people assuming because most deaths occur in over 65's that means most hospital admissions are over 65, which is not the case.

Vaccinating Cohort 4 should make a massive difference.
We certainly are in a better place, but there's too much uncertainty within Government. Personally I think Micheal Martin should **** or get off the pot!

The 14 day incidence reports from the hspc are a useful source of data.

With regard to hospital acquired covid the most recent report shows that Healtcare acquired infection (Covid) is at about 2.2%

That's all healthcare settings. Not just hospitals

Healthcare setting acquired: patient ~ 1.54%
Healthcare setting acquired: staff ~ 0.70%


https://www.hpsc.ie/a-z/respiratory/coronavirus/novelcoronavirus/surveillance/covid-1914-dayepidemiologyreports/COVID-19%2014%20day%20epidemiology%20report_20210325_WEB.pdf

noplacehere

Wolf359f wrote: »

It's a bit of a mess the way it's layed out, but I could be mistaken that severe asthma where steroids where required (daily?) was group 4. I just remember people on here discussing it.

It was recategorised when they bumped some up to group 4. Severe asthma stayed at group 7

purplefields

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

We are in a far better place than people think

I would like to believe that.

However, it's the new variants that are, or will be, the problem.
Even in the UK where over half of people have had at least one dose, they appear to be worried. The South African variant is what's concerning them at the moment:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8l4PrGZeg0

Once coronavirus finds out about Vaccines, then it will mutate against them.

Wolf359f

gozunda wrote: »

The 14 day incidence reports from the hspc are a useful source of data.

With regard to hospital acquired covid the most recent report shows that Healtcare acquired infection (Covid) is at about 2.2%

That's all healthcare settings. Not just hospitals

Healthcare setting acquired: patient ~ 1.54%
Healthcare setting acquired: staff ~ 0.70%


https://www.hpsc.ie/a-z/respiratory/coronavirus/novelcoronavirus/surveillance/covid-1914-dayepidemiologyreports/COVID-19%2014%20day%20epidemiology%20report_20210325_WEB.pdf

You're comparing a recent report when HCW's and nursing home residents have been vaccinated with hospital acquired covid (1.54%) to when we had a peak of over 2000. I'm guessing there was more than 30 of that 2000 (1.54%) infected in hospital.

podgeandrodge

"The Beacon Hospital did not respond to queries about whether board members have also been vaccinated"

Surely not. That would be far worse than the school issue. Or do they mean board members of the school, rather than the Beacon.

gozunda

Wolf359f wrote: »

You're comparing a recent report when HCW's and nursing home residents have been vaccinated with hospital acquired covid (1.54%) to when we had a peak of over 2000. I'm guessing there was more than 30 of that 2000 (1.54%) infected in hospital.

No not comparing no. That's the current figures and relate to another poster positing about the number of hospital / hcw's acquired infections

Go back through the hspc reports to find the period you're looking.

Wolf359f

purplefields wrote: »

I would like to believe that.

However, it's the new variants that are, or will be, the problem.
Even in the UK where over half of people have had at least one dose, they appear to be worried. The South African variant is what's concerning them at the moment:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8l4PrGZeg0

Once coronavirus finds out about Vaccines, then it will mutate against them.

Variants don't seem to bother Israel reopening though, everything seems ok there so far.
On the UK, they seem to have plateaued like we had (until a week or so ago). We have similar restrictions and the same strain circulating at the same rate. It will be interesting to see if they continue to plateau, drop or follow us with an increase.

From their point of view, they have ~3x the number vaccinated than us, but still following our curve (sorta speak) Which makes sense, as both have a higher incidence in a younger population (of which we have the same vaccination rate..... nearly 0%)

This is where the disconnect from case numbers needs to be made. The ones who spread it most are the ones who will be vaccinated last, so any opening up will cause an increase in cases, but should not spread into older populations.

Sorry I went off on a rant there.

Has there been any peer reviews study on vaccines with the SA strain?
It seems to be the strain of choice to drum up the fear, but all studies come up with flaws in how they are carried out.

Turtwig

noplacehere wrote: »

It was recategorised when they bumped some up to group 4. Severe asthma stayed at group 7

That can't be correct. I'm not saying you're wrong. It's just bizarre if true. Don't get me wrong the vast majority of asthmatics should be in cohort 7 or lower. All of them though?

AxleAddict

purplefields wrote: »

I would like to believe that.
Once coronavirus finds out about Vaccines, then it will mutate against them.

Coronavirus mutates, with or without the existence of a vaccine - that's why we already have various mutations out there even before vaccines started to roll out - the vast majority of which are similar to the original strains and a few which have mutated in such a way as to make them more dangerous either in terms of transmissibility or potency or both. The virus does not consciously mutate 'against' vaccines - it has no central intelligence - the mutations are entirely random, it's just that some of those random mutations change the behaviour of the virus in such a way that the effectiveness of the vaccines are reduced, and example being a significant change in the spike protein which the vaccines target.

Wolf359f

gozunda wrote: »

No not comparing no. That's the current figures and relate to another poster positing about the number of hospital / hcw's acquired infections

Go back through the hspc reports to find the period you're looking.

I would do that, but that data seems to be lacking in reports around that timeframe: https://www.hpsc.ie/a-z/respiratory/coronavirus/novelcoronavirus/surveillance/covid-1914-dayepidemiologyreports/2021/january2021/COVID-19_14_day_epidemiology_WEB%20report_20210112_v1.pdf

Deeper Blue

purplefields wrote: »

I would like to believe that.

However, it's the new variants that are, or will be, the problem.
Even in the UK where over half of people have had at least one dose, they appear to be worried. The South African variant is what's concerning them at the moment:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8l4PrGZeg0

Once coronavirus finds out about Vaccines, then it will mutate against them.

Most of this post is pure conjecture

gozunda

Wolf359f wrote: »

I would do that, but that data seems to be lacking in reports around that timeframe: https://www.hpsc.ie/a-z/respiratory/coronavirus/novelcoronavirus/surveillance/covid-1914-dayepidemiologyreports/2021/january2021/COVID-19_14_day_epidemiology_WEB%20report_20210112_v1.pdf

I thought you were looking for the January peak. What date are you looking for?
The available reports online go all the way back to September 2020

https://www.hpsc.ie/a-z/respiratory/coronavirus/novelcoronavirus/surveillance/covid-1914-dayepidemiologyreports/2020/

blowitupref

Deeper Blue wrote: »

Most of this post is pure conjecture

He's not alone. Our government make plenty of decisions based on conjecture.

Tyrone212

Nice news below. I saw earlier those factories would be operating from now on but had no idea on the figures. The Moderna plant in Switzerland was also given the go ahead but no idea on total delivers per month from there.

Meanwhile the controversial AstraZeneca facility at Halix in the Netherlands, which can supply five million vaccines per month, as well as the Pfizer-BioNTech plant at Marburg in Germany, aiming to deliver one billion doses per year, were both approved by the European Medicines Agency yesterday.

Wolf359f

gozunda wrote: »

I thought you were looking for the January peak. What date are you looking for?
The available reports online go all the way back to September 2020

https://www.hpsc.ie/a-z/respiratory/coronavirus/novelcoronavirus/surveillance/covid-1914-dayepidemiologyreports/2020/

Well, show me the hospital transmitted cases in this HPSC report, because I can't find them:
https://www.hpsc.ie/a-z/respiratory/coronavirus/novelcoronavirus/surveillance/covid-1914-dayepidemiologyreports/2021/january2021/COVID-19_14_day_epidemiology_WEB%20report_20210112_v1.pdf

Wolf359f

Tyrone212 wrote: »

Nice news below. I saw earlier those factories would be operating from now on but had no idea on the figures. The Moderna plant in Switzerland was also given the go ahead but no idea on total delivers per month from there.

Meanwhile the controversial AstraZeneca facility at Halix in the Netherlands, which can supply five million vaccines per month, as well as the Pfizer-BioNTech plant at Marburg in Germany, aiming to deliver one billion doses per year, were both approved by the European Medicines Agency yesterday.

I think all out vaccine projections have been based on all that happening, so I don't believe nothing changes. AZ aside, I'll get laid before they will reach a quarter, let alone monthly target!

ceadaoin.

purplefields wrote: »

I would like to believe that.

However, it's the new variants that are, or will be, the problem.
Even in the UK where over half of people have had at least one dose, they appear to be worried. The South African variant is what's concerning them at the moment:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8l4PrGZeg0

Once coronavirus finds out about Vaccines, then it will mutate against them.

Well you can relax because coronavirus isn't a sentient being so its not going to find out about anything or hatch any cunning plans

Happydays2020

When did restaurants and pubs reopen. George Lee seems to think they are still the problem...

https://twitter.com/idahocafe/status/1375516825954385921?s=21

Vicxas

Happydays2020 wrote: »

When did restaurants and pubs reopen. George Lee seems to think they are still the problem...

https://twitter.com/idahocafe/status/1375516825954385921?s=21

They've no one else to beat with their stick. So let's blame the people... Who are.... Closed? Makes sense

caveat emptor

Happydays2020 wrote: »

When did restaurants and pubs reopen. George Lee seems to think they are still the problem...

https://twitter.com/idahocafe/status/1375516825954385921?s=21

Poor George is a doom loop. Still thinks its 2020. Ground hog day.

lawred2

Happydays2020 wrote: »

When did restaurants and pubs reopen. George Lee seems to think they are still the problem...

https://twitter.com/idahocafe/status/1375516825954385921?s=21

he's a joke

prunudo

Happydays2020 wrote: »

When did restaurants and pubs reopen. George Lee seems to think they are still the problem...

https://twitter.com/idahocafe/status/1375516825954385921?s=21

That can't be real, can it, did he really say that yesterday.
I've been critical of the government's mixed messaging of late but the media also have a lot to answer for the lockdown fatigue among the majority of the public.

Itssoeasy

Seems I wasn’t the only one to see George lee trending and wonder what doom and gloom he was spreading, and I find out it’s blaming an industry that is closed. That’s some achievement by an industry that’s closed to spread a virus. Like the poster above I had to actually watch the clip a second time to just make sure I’d actually heard that scutter correctly.

Jim_Hodge

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

The HSE currently lists for cohort 4: asthma (continuous or repeated use of systemic corticosteroids),

odyssey06 wrote: »

Severe asthma is group 7 not group 4 I think

That is the Group 4 definition they're giving.

Jim_Hodge

noplacehere wrote: »

It was recategorised when they bumped some up to group 4. Severe asthma stayed at group 7

Can you show that somewhere, please? Because severe asthmatics are receiving the vaccine in group 4 and it's still listed by HSE and Gov.ie websites.

FintanMcluskey

purplefields wrote: »

I would like to believe that.

However, it's the new variants that are, or will be, the problem.
Even in the UK where over half of people have had at least one dose, they appear to be worried. The South African variant is what's concerning them at the moment:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8l4PrGZeg0

Once coronavirus finds out about Vaccines, then it will mutate against them.

Surely this information is what reinforces an anti vaccer’s opinion

If the virus will simply mutate to counter the effects of the vaccine will it ever be safe to reopen society?

jackboy

Happydays2020 wrote: »

When did restaurants and pubs reopen. George Lee seems to think they are still the problem...

https://twitter.com/idahocafe/status/1375516825954385921?s=21

Has to be fake. If not he needs to clarify and apologise.