Covid 19 Part XXXIV-249,437 ROI(4,906 deaths) 120,195 NI (2,145 deaths)(01/05)Read OP

eagle eye

eagle eye wrote: »

Lol, it's based on everything they've ever been involved in.

Everything?

https://www.drugreport.com/brands-owned-by-johnson-and-johnson/

Pandiculation

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Sorry you are having a hard time but, out of interest, where is better? Where would your quality of life not have gone through the floor?

Many, many places on the continent.
I can deal with life if I can actually do even 5% of the normal things.

A lot of places have compulsory masks, curfews and other measures but they have not generally just shut down absolutely everything and expected you to sit in the garden for 4+ months. Many places have outdoor dining in limited ways. Most still have a lot more access to shopping and so on.

The measures here have been extremely draconian and seem to just assume everyone’s sitting at home with 2.5 kids, a cat and a dog. That isn’t the reality for everyone and I’ve just come to the conclusion that if you don’t have a house in the suburbs, you’re just not really considered in policy making here. It’s not just the pandemic. It’s in most areas of life.

So I might just be better off living back on the continent again where that kind of lifestyle is more normal.

That’s my assessment of it anyway and the pandemic has just driven the points home to me.

Polar101

Pandiculation wrote: »

Nope you can’t. There is no outdoor dining and hasn’t been for months - as I’m sure you well know.

Many places have opened for takeaway (food/drink) recently, including pubs and cafes. Now that the weather is good, it looks pretty "normal" outside with all the people gathering outside having drinks and food.

Ficheall

Pandiculation wrote: »

Nope you can’t. There is no outdoor dining and hasn’t been for months - as I’m sure you well know.

All you can do is take a coffee away and walk aimlessly in circles or lean on a wall somewhere.

Anytime I have eaten outside the house, it’s been sitting on my own in the car for the last number of months.

Oh, I was just thinking of getting a coffee to take away, as opposed to sitting outdoors in the cafe's premises. Gotcha, fair enough.

I've not eaten anything not home-prepared in about fourteen months. And while the option would be nice, I have to admit it's been good for my pocket and maybe my health. Am also fortunate enough to have lovely picnic spots within walking distance.

Bit cynical

Batattackrat wrote: »

But the most vulnerable have been vaccinated now so its different.

Not saying to get rid of restrictions till more are vaccinated, but level 2 to 3 should be in now.

That's very true but the fixation is currently on case numbers and that will take a long time to shift.

podgeandrodge

eagle eye wrote: »

Well all I can tell you about J and J is that those brothers don't fill me with confidence. I'm not surprised that there's question marks over their vaccine.

Did your brother tell you something that we should all know about on this? Or is it something you yourself have found out? It's a covid thread, feel free to let us all know why we shouldn't take the J&J vaccine!

Stheno

Polar101 wrote: »

Many places have opened for takeaway (food/drink) recently, including pubs and cafes. Now that the weather is good, it looks pretty "normal" outside with all the people gathering outside having drinks and food.

In Dublin its not permitted to drink alcohol outside AFAIK

There were two vans of the public order unit in Malahide moving anyone who was drinking alcohol on

Ficheall

Someone did mention this to me the other day re J&J when we were discussing the vaccines. It wouldn't dissuade me from taking the vaccine, but still...
https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/johnsonandjohnson-cancer/

Stheno

Stheno wrote: »

In Dublin its not permitted to drink alcohol outside AFAIK

There were two vans of the public order unit in Malahide moving anyone who was drinking alcohol on

What about all the pubs doing takeout beers?

Stheno

[Deleted User] wrote: »

What about all the pubs doing takeout beers?

Dunno tbh there were queues outside all the open pubs in Malahide today and some people were drinking them on the green which is where the guards were patrolling and telling people to move on and that could not drink in public

Dunno if people did as I left shortly after

bodhrandude

It looked like the youth were celebrating their rag week in Salthill beach today, gorgeous weather and all that, but I wouldn't like to be the guards tasked to clear that. I just thought they were too tightly packed together and when I took the clip the party was just getting started. It got more mental later on where they were all just piling on top of each other to the beats. I know though, its hard not to let go in such lovely sunshine.

Stheno

Stheno wrote: »

Dunno tbh there were queues outside all the open pubs in Malahide today and some people were drinking them on the green which is where the guards were patrolling and telling people to move on and that could not drink in public

Dunno if people did as I left shortly after

Dunno where that is coming from. Don’t know what the actual rules are I guess. I assumed that to swan around in public with a pint in your hand was fine. Like there are a load of places in the centre of Dublin selling pints and plenty of people wandering around drinking yesterday. Stags head and dame tavern to name but two.

Pandiculation

[Deleted User] wrote: »

What about all the pubs doing takeout beers?

That’s what I mean about the illogical policies. It’s a good example of it.

Takeaway pubs are permitted, but you can’t drink the beer anywhere. What exactly do they expect people to do with it?

It’s the same with food and drink. If you’ve takeout and there’s acceptable weather, people will eat sitting anywhere and everywhere. What’s the difference between that and having outdoor seating? If anything it seems safer than trying to eat a sandwich perched on a wall or something.

It’s like they aren’t taking decisions and are trying to sit on the fence and the result is arbitrary and random enforcement in a rather school principal kind of way. The Gardai aren’t a draconian force but it’s like we are in a “careful now! Down with that sort of thing “ kind of enforcement of a set of rules that nobody really thought though.

It’s not just this but things like the fact that until recently public toilets haven’t been considered. There are people urinating and even worse in public and that’s only barely been resolved.

We seem to do rules but without any consideration of how they’ll function in the real world.

Stheno

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Dunno where that is coming from. Don’t know what the actual rules are I guess. I assumed that to swan around in public with a pint in your hand was fine. Like there are a load of places in the centre of Dublin selling pints and plenty of people wandering around drinking yesterday. Stags head and dame tavern to name but two.

Its illegal under a bye law since 2004 in Fingal Council areas

https://m.independent.ie/regionals/fingalindependent/news/tough-new-bye-laws-curb-drinking-in-public-places-27772267.html

Dublin City Council brought in similar in 2008

Pandiculation

It’s illegal under bylaws in lot of urban areas.

Stheno

Stheno wrote: »

Its illegal under a bye law since 2004 in Fingal Council areas

https://m.independent.ie/regionals/fingalindependent/news/tough-new-bye-laws-curb-drinking-in-public-places-27772267.html

Dublin City Council brought in similar in 2008

And yet.....

Stheno

[Deleted User] wrote: »

And yet.....

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Jinglejangle69

bodhrandude wrote: »

It looked like the youth were celebrating their rag week in Salthill beach today, gorgeous weather and all that, but I wouldn't like to be the guards tasked to clear that. I just thought they were too tightly packed together and when I took the clip the party was just getting started. It got more mental later on where they were all just piling on top of each other to the beats. I know though, its hard not to let go in such lovely sunshine.

Fair play to them.

Life is for living and enjoying.

Polar101

Stheno wrote: »

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I'd argue there are a lot of people drinking outside in those areas right now, without getting moved on by the Gardai.

How busy is A&E at the moment ,is it back to normal with queues etc
Specifically vincents
On my way up there now with a sibbling who lobbed most of her finger off 😱

Stheno

Polar101 wrote: »

I'd argue there are a lot of people drinking outside in those areas right now, without getting moved on by the Gardai.

I think Malahide gets special attention as last year the pedestrianised the main street the pubs are on and there was uproar from the residents about losing parking and drinking in public and the local Super came out and said it would not be allowed

Beasty

BlondeBomb wrote: »

I think they might build a backlog for this weeks restriction announcement

In case you did not know, we have a whole forum for conspiracy theories. Please post such nonsense there and not here

LeakyLime

Deleted User wrote: »

Sorry you are having a hard time but, out of interest, where is better? Where would your quality of life not have gone through the floor?

Have a friend in Spain in his 30s - restaurants, bars and gyms have been open since January.

Another in Portugal, they had a massive numbers after us in February 2021, but have reopened sooner and have a clear pathway.

Many states in the US stayed open.

Obviously people in NZ and Oz are better off.

My friends in the UK are now enjoying themselves again.

So many countries.

LeakyLime

Pandiculation wrote: »

Quite honestly, I am leaving. It’s not “chat”. My view of this place has completely changed since December. I don’t think what’s happened here has been anything remotely approaching a competent response to the crisis. My quality of life has gone though the floor since December and I’ve been suffering from severe depression as a result.

I don’t want to live here anymore. That’s not “chat”.
I’m gone as soon as the restrictions lift and I’ve job opportunities elsewhere.

Anyone in their twenties would be mad to stay here for another Autumn lockdown. My advice is definitely to get out if you are free to do so.
People in their twenties have sacrificed enough of their youth.
Lots of countries with more reasonable living with covid strategies.

LeakyLime

bodhrandude wrote: »

It looked like the youth were celebrating their rag week in Salthill beach today, gorgeous weather and all that, but I wouldn't like to be the guards tasked to clear that. I just thought they were too tightly packed together and when I took the clip the party was just getting started. It got more mental later on where they were all just piling on top of each other to the beats. I know though, its hard not to let go in such lovely sunshine.

Outdoor socialising is generally safe and should be encouraged.

babyboom

Marine Layer wrote: »

How busy is A&E at the moment ,is it back to normal with queues etc
Specifically vincents
On my way up there now with a sibbling who lobbed most of her finger off 😱

I was in Beaumont A&E on Tuesday night with my mother and it was as busy as ever.

LeakyLime

LeakyLime wrote: »

Outdoor socialising is generally safe and should be encouraged.

Generally. I’d be more worried about boozed up teens piling into the water as some appeared to be in that video.

And the young families unable to bring small children down to the beach

humberklog

I go into town drinking once a week. Last week (like most) we were drinking in Stephen's Green. I pop my drink into a 500ml coffee cup and work away. We haven't been stopped since Christmas. We moved onto Sheehan's who sell 500ml Guinness in a large paper coffee cup. The Gardai strolled past 3 times and just asked if we were ok. I'm over 50 and so were the 3 others I was with and we just had a brief chat with them. I know some of the Gardai as I've a shop in town and have had dealings with them in the past.

This lockdown we've never been moved on but during the previous ones the Gardai were stricter and more out in force often enough for it to become annoying enough to move our socialising indoors.

Stheno

Stheno wrote: »

Its illegal under a bye law since 2004 in Fingal Council areas

https://m.independent.ie/regionals/fingalindependent/news/tough-new-bye-laws-curb-drinking-in-public-places-27772267.html

Dublin City Council brought in similar in 2008

Nanny state bolloxology largely ignored and rightly so. Cops turn a blind eye for the most part.

Pandiculation

LeakyLime wrote: »

Anyone in their twenties would be mad to stay here for another Autumn lockdown. My advice is definitely to get out if you are free to do so.
People in their twenties have sacrificed enough of their youth.
Lots of countries with more reasonable living with covid strategies.

I’m in my 30s and single. I think this issue is a lot broader than just age based. The policies aren’t considering that there are a significant number of people who are basically just totally isolated when there’s a complete shutdown of everything.

It’s across the board in Irish policy making though. They consider everyone to be in a relationship, having 2.5 kids, cat and dog, living in the suburbs or rural location with a garden and so on.

They also seemed to have assumed that all irish - continental travel is for holiday making. The reality is many Irish households have continental European and much further afield family. Ireland’s far more diverse and interconnected than it was a few decades ago.

I think they left a lot of independent elderly people totally high and dry too and while I know they’re an at risk group, the measures put in place were sometimes bordering on very high risk. I’ve elderly relatives in Dublin for example, who haven’t been physically called into in many months. They’re fully vaccinated at this stage, yet the isolation is rolling on because of inter county travel issues.

Very little of any of that was considered in policy making. I could understand things being crude in the early days of the pandemic but the same level of lack of adaptive policy making has persisted throughout and the key decision makers - ministers - have been remote.

I think the Irish public overall have been extremely pragmatic and tolerant, to an almost remarkable degree, but they deserve better than this chaotic, and frankly often patronising, kind of policy making. It’s a very grown up society that’s been able to make all sorts of complex and nuanced decisions. It’s also a country that’s generally very prepared to listen to science and not go off into populist nonsense. It just feels at the moment like it’s being treated very shabbily.

It just feels like we never got past the initial crisis management phase, moving into a chronic problem that needs to be managed phase.

The reality of it this is we are going to be dealing with COVID, albeit with a largely vaccinated population, for years. We need to be planning for that and I don’t see much evidence of that.