Covid 19 Part XXXIV-249,437 ROI(4,906 deaths) 120,195 NI (2,145 deaths)(01/05)Read OP

eigrod

I think NPHET are intent with keeping things as they are until close to the school holidays (late June). Holohan has said several times previously that when people expect an imminent loosening, or indeed tightening, of restrictions, their behaviour starts to change and adopt early to whatever is coming. They clearly don’t want that to happen now, for the schools sake, therefore are putting out the message that we have to stay in level 4.5 for the foreseeable.

I think the more people that are vaccinated, the more those people will say “**** this”, I’m done with restrictions.

MrMusician18

Kiith wrote: »

Sorry, but at this stage the language is justifiable. The day before a minor easing of restrictions they once again come out with this negative, fearful bull****. "No you can't do this, no you can't do that." What can we do? And when can we do it? What do we need to do to get to where NPHET think a re-opening is ok? Pretty sure they've not told anyone, at least not the public.

They are so afraid of giving any sort of plan, but are quite happy to continue to tell people they can't live their lives. Madness :mad:

It isn't justifiable and if you can't be civil, then perhaps take a break. If you're looking for a definitive way out of this, an unalterable cast iron plan, well then you're going to be disappointed. The spreading of the virus through the population and the efforts to contain it contain millions of different moving parts, with those in government only able to guide a response, not control.

Reopening will be ok if Nphet don't think there could be a resurgence that will put undue pressure on the health service.
They were right at Christmas (the consequence of which we are still living with) and they'll be right not to make promises that we can't keep this time around too.

aziz

is_that_so wrote: »

He'll just go back to being the CMO when NPHET is disbanded.

And then he can answer questions about the cervical checks

FintanMcluskey

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Thanks RD

So we’ve at least halved using data from February

But accounting for the vaccinations since February likely 1 million id like to see the last month specifically

We could be down to 2 admissions per 100 or less right now

This virus is at least half as dangerous and far less likely to transmit in hospital

Ya wouldn’t think it

Looked at the data late last week. It’s close to 4% now, falling steadily since February. Will post up the data tomorrow when I am online if I think of it

is_that_so

Turtwig wrote: »

I don't think that extra.ie article is one bit reliable. NPHET themselves have published modelling data on the impact of vaccination. There was nothing negative about it. The. CMO letter to MOH of health should be available tomorrow. While, I've no doubt the media will look for the worst possible interpretation and snippets from it, I am very much looking forward to the outlook it presents.

NPHET don't always concur with the far rosier picture the HSE, in particular, are trying to present. Who knows how much that article can be trusted but the comments on the vaccinations don't sound that made-up and it is something they should really steer clear of.

Deeper Blue

MrMusician18 wrote: »

They were right at Christmas (the consequence of which we are still living with) and they'll be right not to make promises that we can't keep this time around too.

Christmas has zero relevance to the current situation though

MrMusician18

funnydoggy wrote: »

Not seen frustration like this online in a while tbh. I hope Tony's message faces some criticism.

Since last week or two weeks ago when whatever news story upset the "open it up" gang.

Boggerman12

Tony will put a spanner in the works of the Jansen vaccine too just like he did in February before his sabitical with his non recommendation of the Oxford vaccine.he caught everyone in government off guard and will do so again

MrMusician18

Hellrazer wrote: »

We cant live our lives expecting a variant that may or may not even exist yet.

If that's the case they could keep us locked down forever - theres always going to be variants of any virus - none of those experts can tell the future.

As for whether they are experts - True but they are experts in medicine and health related issue.

NPHET should have had some economists / business people as members from the beginning of this pandemic to stop their advice being so one sided.

Nphets remit is public health, there's a clue in the name for you there. It's up to government to balance Nphets advice with economic, social and other factors in its determinations.

is_that_so

Boggerman12 wrote: »

Tony will put a spanner in the works of the Jansen vaccine too just like he did in February before his sabitical with his non recommendation of the Oxford vaccine.he caught everyone in government off guard and will do so again

Not his decision, that will come from NIAC.

Sofa King Great

eigrod wrote: »

I think the more people that are vaccinated, the more those people will say “**** this”, I’m done with restrictions.

I'm not vaccinated yet and won't be for a good while I reckon but I am also starting to say **** this I'm done with restrictions.

No shops have been open for 4 months, some construction is still closed, you can't leave your county, you can't get a cervical check, breast check or colon check, you cannot sit outside a cafe, visit another person's garden, play sport or assemble with more than one household.

All the while there are <180 in hospital (which will go down more tomorrow when the discharges happen) out of a population of 4.5m and a good lot of the more vulnerable groups are vaccinated.

**** that

FintanMcluskey

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

I really believe there is people happy to remain in this dour soulless existence for the rest of their days

Can’t understand why

You would be shocked with the amount of people who have no lives whatsoever outside their front door.

Someone gave me **** yesterday about having an Italian wife and wanting my daughter to see her fully vaccinated grandparents. I'm some clown for not forseeing this pandemic!

Hellrazer

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

It’s hard listen to that man

I’d love to see a graph of cases vs hospitalisation’s over the past month in Ireland

You should find that info here.Might take a bit of work to get exactly what you need out of it.

https://www.hse.ie/eng/services/news/newsfeatures/covid19-updates/coronavirus-daily-operations-updates.html

Stheno

Sofa King Great wrote: »

I'm not vaccinated yet and won't be for a good while I reckon but I am also starting to say **** this I'm done with restrictions.

No shops have been open for 4 months, some construction is still closed, you can't leave your county, you can't get a cervical check, breast check or colon check, you cannot sit outside a cafe, visit another person's garden, play sport or assemble with more than one household.

All the while there are <180 in hospital (which will go down more tomorrow when the discharges happen) out of a population of 4.5m and a good lot of the more vulnerable groups are vaccinated.

**** that

On cervical check i had one done recently

The practice where I had it about a month ago advised it was GPs refusing to do them was the issue in their area, they did not want patients in person

FintanMcluskey

MrMusician18 wrote: »

Nphets remit is public health, there's a clue in the name for you there. It's up to government to balance Nphets advice with economic, social and other factors in its determinations.

No

NPHET’s remit is covid

They have no concern for any other illness

funnydoggy

I think that the scenes from Salthill and Cork City during the weekend are enough of an indication that there is a growing number of people saying f*ck it. The majority are still following the restrictions to the letter, but good or bad, people are starting to move on. From a public health perspective it's a tricky time, but it's happening and we can't stop it.

FWIW, I'm still careful.

SEPT 23 1989

The man is grieving I don’t how he meant to have a positive look on anything at the moment which is natural

Maybe he should have stepped down

Deeper Blue

Deeper Blue wrote: »

Christmas has zero relevance to the current situation though

Nearly 1.4 million vaccines have permanently put paid to another "Christmas" scenario re-occurring. Sorry to upset the lockdown fetishists. And Tony deserves a flying kick to the kerb with his excessive caution. MM, Leo, Donnelly et al...here's a final chance at redemption after being a willing doormat for the past few months. You're at the mercy of the ballot box, we're not goldfish.

Hellrazer

MrMusician18 wrote: »

Nphets remit is public health, there's a clue in the name for you there. It's up to government to balance Nphets advice with economic, social and other factors in its determinations.

Well forget about the economic side of things for a minute.

Theres also mental health , physical health etc - If their remit is health then the above should be included as well.

Its not all about covid.

Peoples physical health is suffering due to lack of cancer screenings, gyms closed etc.

Their mental health is suffering due to continuous lockdowns and being unable to see relatives, attend funerals etc.

PmMeUrDogs

Stheno wrote: »

On cervical check i had one done recently

The practice where I had it about a month ago advised it was GPs refusing to do them was the issue in their area, they did not want patients in person

To add, I also had one recently. Same issue, GP refusing to see anyone in person - for anything except vaccinations. GP has refused all in-person appointments for a year now.


But Well Woman clinics are doing cervical checks.

Some breast screenings are happening - a friend is having one tomorrow arranged by her GP four weeks ago.

My specialist is seeing patients again, I've an in-person appointment next month.


Some services are now available, but you may have to chase and go in roundabout ways to access them.

is_that_so

funnydoggy wrote: »

I think that fhe scenes from Salthill and Cork City during the weekend are enough of an indication that there is a growing number of people saying f*ck it. Good or bad, people are starting to move on. From a public health perspective it's a tricky time, but it's happening and we can't stop it.

FWIW, I'm still careful.

Most people probably still are but are now looking at rules of congregation as advice rather than rules to be obeyed.

funnydoggy

is_that_so wrote: »

Most people probably still are but are now looking at rules of congregation as advice rather than rules to be obeyed.

Absolutely, great point. The majority are still careful, I should've said that in my post. I'll edit it!

Turtwig

is_that_so wrote: »

NPHET don't always concur with the far rosier picture the HSE, in particular, are trying to present. Who knows how much that article can be trusted but the comments on the vaccinations don't sound that made-up and it is something they should really steer clear of.

Will wait until the letter to see what they're saying now. I don't expect a rosy picture. Our situation is a precarious knife edge. I do however expect a positive outlook re vaccination with the usual caveats.

The reason why I don't trust the article is the source. The suggestion nphet are about to contradict massively their own modelling. I mean that's possible there could be a mistake in their initial analysis butttt....All this inter personal bullsh1t with inside sources.

It reads like a bloody gossip column piece tuned for outrage.

is_that_so

Turtwig wrote: »

Will wait until the letter to see what they're saying now. I don't expect a rosy picture. Our situation is a precarious knife edge. I do however expect a positive outlook re vaccination with the usual caveats.

The reason why I don't trust the article is the source. The suggestion are about to contradict massively their own modelling. I mean that's possible there could be a mistake. All this inter personal bullsh1t with inside sources.

It's like a bloody gossip column piece tuned for outrage.

My only concern is the vaccination programme comment and unfortunately it is one I could see him saying in some form.

Lumen

https://twitter.com/rwallirl/status/1386354210996985858?s=19

robbiezero

funnydoggy wrote: »

I think that the scenes from Salthill and Cork City during the weekend are enough of an indication that there is a growing number of people saying f*ck it. The majority are still following the restrictions to the letter, but good or bad, people are starting to move on. From a public health perspective it's a tricky time, but it's happening and we can't stop it.

FWIW, I'm still careful.

I had a scatter of pints with a gang on the clontarf sea front on friday night and the same in howth yesterday evening.
Both mobbed with groups of people drinking and enjoying themselves.
Great to see. I imagine its happening all over the country.

As an aside, a bit of outdoor drinking in howth is something i will do again even when pubs are open normally. Great views over the pier and the irish sea, made the pints taste even nicer in spite of the heat and plastic glasses.

Sanjuro

I hate these few days before an official announcement
Leaks, rumours, newspapers running with every shred of bull**** they can. I can already feel my anxiety growing.

Turtwig

Turtwig wrote: »

Our situation is a precarious knife edge.

Pure bull. 45 in ICU and well under 200 in hospital across Ireland. Most of the elderly and vulnerable demographics have been vaccinated, nursing homes virtually free of Covid. You could have 1,000 cases daily identified in 20/30 somethings, how many of them will present in hospital? Almost none. The terminal threat has sharply receded, this walking on eggshells business is now redundant. Those who are afraid? Hide at home behind the couch, sit in the garden, do the knitting etc. Leave the rest of us well alone, life is not a rehearsal and should be enjoyed to the fullest.

Boggerman12

is_that_so wrote: »

Not his decision, that will come from NIAC.

But he did put a spanner in the works casting doubt on az vaccine in February.it was widely reported on at the time.so there’s no doubt he will try the same thing now

is_that_so

Boggerman12 wrote: »

But he did put a spanner in the works casting doubt on az vaccine in February.it was widely reported on at the time.so there’s no doubt he will try the same thing now

AZ has been restricted in a lot of places anyway. J&J has not. If they do decide to limit it, our use of that vaccine will end quite quickly and there will be delays.