Covid 19 Part XXXIV-249,437 ROI(4,906 deaths) 120,195 NI (2,145 deaths)(01/05)Read OP

titan18

funnydoggy wrote: »

I feel nauseous even reading that. That's disgusting. The quays were not as bad, as there was a massive rubbish bin opened for bottles and other rubbish.


Yuck!!

Ya, I know there's no public toilets there (or anywhere tbf), and a lack of bins, but on litter, if you bring a bag of cans out, you can bring it home with you. The toilet situation will never be sorted though until things reopen sadly. Put public toilets in and by the second day, they'll be destroyed. Even with bins, the reason there's a lack of them is cos people dump their house rubbish into it. I can't really blame the councils for not putting those stuff in when people abuse them when they do go in.

Ficheall

muddypuppy wrote: »

Because Italy has home quarantine, which no one was really complaining about..

..because it wasn't enforced, and people could and did ignore it.

People are going on like they're chained to a radiator when they're not supposed to leave their county - can't imagine how oppressed they'd feel if they actually had to stay in their house.

Turtwig

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

I really can't understand the thought process at all. We're repeatedly told that the biggest risk is indoors, to the point where, according to the guidelines, people can't even meet in each other's gardens in case they end up going indoors - yet 50 people in a church is grand?

I can only assume it's either kite flying or a misunderstanding, because I really can't see the logic here.

There isn't any logic. It boils down to the influence of the church lobby groups.

You could make a twisted argument that spiritual needs are really important to emotional well-being. They are but so too is socialisation of any kind something which outdoor events could really help with. I expect the spiritual wellbeing will be the line they use.

There's also the problem that outdoor dining will only suit a select few businesses and leave others at a serious disadvantage. The politicians would probably rather keep this advantage period to a minimum. Open indoor as quickly as possible after outdoor only.

Opening exclusively outdoor dining and the like actually creates a headache for our politicians dealing with lobby groups. They'd prefer to kick that can down to the road until the playing field is as level as possible. I hope I'm wrong but I can't see them resisting all the pressure.

Hurrache

funnydoggy wrote: »

I feel nauseous even reading that. That's disgusting. The quays were not as bad, as there was a massive rubbish bin opened for bottles and other rubbish.


Yuck!!

Scumbags are going to be scumbags. A full thread of the mess assholes left behind them. And don't give me the nonsense that the bins were full/not enough of them and so on.

https://twitter.com/GeogheganCllr/status/1386254605017878531

big syke

Flowergirl201 wrote: »

Anyone got any idea how long the waiting time is to get a test, probably citywest?

Brought my dad their last week. He was an hour and 50 minutes in the queue before he got the jab.

Apparantly running better as the week went on.

Ktek

I'm seeing quite a lot of obvious suicides in the local press

My son said he has 5 acquaintances in the past year dead from suicide.

Lumen

Turtwig wrote: »

There isn't any logic. It boils down to the influence of the church lobby groups.

But of course! FF is in government, led by Micheál Martin who was minister for children when his 2002 government let the church off the hook for legal claims relating to institutional abuse.

Same sh!t, different year.

Normal One

Re: people gathering outdoors enjoying sunshine.

Still waiting for the anti-lockdown, BLM, students, etc mega superspreader surge....

There is no excuse for littering but that's not new.

bucketybuck

Its almost as if lockdowns cause other problems that should really be taken into account when assessing their suitability.

Who could have imagined that.

AdamD

Hurrache wrote: »

Scumbags are going to be scumbags. A full thread of the mess assholes left behind them. And don't give me the nonsense that the bins were full/not enough of them and so on.

https://twitter.com/GeogheganCllr/status/1386254605017878531

The council should be providing more bins.

opinionated3

Ktek wrote: »

I'm seeing quite a lot of obvious suicides in the local press

My son said he has 5 acquaintances in the past year dead from suicide.

I'm not at all suicidal, but I will be honest and say that my head is not in a good place right now. Every day seems like a chore right now, constantly searching for positives or things to look forward to. I'm sure there are plenty more like me.
Let's hope this comes to an end sooner rather than later.

Hurrache

AdamD wrote: »

The council should be providing more bins.

Yes, maybe they should, but it's a bull**** excuse for dumping your rubbish in the streets.

It absolutely no excuse, none whatsoever.

stephenjmcd

Hurrache wrote: »

Scumbags are going to be scumbags. A full thread of the mess assholes left behind them. And don't give me the nonsense that the bins were full/not enough of them and so on.

https://twitter.com/GeogheganCllr/status/1386254605017878531

Except the pictures quite clearly show there weren't / aren't enough bins. The ones that are there are full.

Yes people should bring empties home(personally I make sure to recycle mine and not just put them into general waste) but it's quite clear there's a lack of public bins. It was an issue before covid as well

titan18

AdamD wrote: »

The council should be providing more bins.

Sure, but then you get people abusing that by dumping their household rubbish in it. If people take the piss with then, the council won't provide it.

No reason people can't take their litter home with them too. If you're going out with a bag of cans, you can return with that bag of cans.

AdamD

Hurrache wrote: »

Yes, maybe they should, but it's a bull**** excuse for dumping your rubbish in the streets.

It absolutely no excuse, none whatsoever.

There are no maybes here, we have a councillor tweeting pictures of full bins. Maybe he should do his job and provide adequate amount of bins for the public? The irony of his tweet seems to be lost on him


The lack of bins and public toilets in Dublin is a far bigger scandal than littering.

funnydoggy

To be honest I was down at Blackrock Village in Cork yesterday afternoon. The bins were full and overflowing. There was litter everywhere.

If it was 7 or 8am I wouldn't mind, but this was after 2pm and the bins were just there from the night before, overflowing and smelling horrible, baking in the sun. It was after 3 when a council worker eventually came along to empty the bins.

This *doesn't* give the excuse to litter, but it's clear that the bins are being used by the majority and are solely needed.

beauf

iamwhoiam wrote: »

This is a consequence of having nowhere else to go .If they opened beer gardens , opened outdoor dining , allowed people in your garden etc it would spread people out and they would not have the need to gather on canal banks

Not sure I get that logic.

People are not social distancing because they don't want to. Not because of the location/venue. There is plenty of room on a canal or river bank to social distance if you wanted to.

Hurrache

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Except the pictures quite clearly show there weren't / aren't enough bins. The ones that are there are full.

Yes people should bring empties home(personally I make sure to recycle mine and not just put them into general waste) but it's quite clear there's a lack of public bins. It was an issue before covid as well

AdamD wrote: »

There are no maybes here, we have a councillor tweeting pictures of full bins. Maybe he should do his job and provide adequate amount of bins for the public? The irony of his tweet seems to be lost on him

There's enough bins for regular usage, people should not expect to have refuse collection provided to them for when they're out drinking on the streets.

If they could get their **** there, they could get their **** home again, it's not like they were going to pubs and clubs after their pre-drinks.

There is no excuse, at any time, for dumping your **** on the streets and complaining it's because the council didn't provide you with bins.

AdamD wrote: »

The lack of bins and public toilets in Dublin is a far bigger scandal than littering

Did you ever read such nonsense?

titan18

AdamD wrote: »

There are no maybes here, we have a councillor tweeting pictures of full bins. Maybe he should do his job and provide adequate amount of bins for the public? The irony of his tweet seems to be lost on him


The lack of bins and public toilets in Dublin is a far bigger scandal than littering.

What's your solution for when people dump their household rubbish on them, or the toilets get destroyed by drug addicts and scumbags though. If people are going to abuse the facilities, we end up with no facilities.

beauf

titan18 wrote: »

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No reason people can't take their litter home with them too. If you're going out with a bag of cans, you can return with that bag of cans.

Exactly this. The lack of bins is not a reasonable excuse to litter.

AdamD

titan18 wrote: »

What's your solution for when people dump their household rubbish on them, or the toilets get destroyed by drug addicts and scumbags though. If people are going to abuse the facilities, we end up with no facilities.

Its nice that local government have managed to convince you that they shouldn't provide any services on the off-chance people actually use them.

Just like Dublin bikes will never work, they'll get destroyed by scumbags, right?

Turtwig

Not for this thread but I think there's an argument to go the other way. Get rid of public bins altogether. Encourage people to take home their own waste. Incentivises less waste and thoughtful consumption by everyone all round. Hefty fines for those caught not complying.

Worth a pilot scheme imo.

(Public toilets definitely need more coverage and access.)

lawred2

Turtwig wrote: »

Not for this thread but I think there's an argument to go the other way. Get rid of public bins altogether. Encourage people to take home their own waste. Incentivises less waste and thoughtful consumption by everyone all round. Hefty fines for those caught not complying.

Worth a pilot scheme imo.

(Public toilets definitely need more coverage and access.)

already hefty fines for littering

zero enforcement.

waste of time

Hurrache

AdamD wrote: »

Its nice that local government have managed to convince you that they shouldn't provide any services on the off-chance people actually use them.

I've studied, worked and socialised in Dublin City since the early 90s and I have never been once left wanting for a public bin and said that if I can't find one I'll dump it on the street anyway, sure it's the councils fault.

It's a pathetic argument and excuse. It's another reflection of the idiots in society with no sense of responsibility or self awareness, they always whinge it's someone else fault.

titan18

AdamD wrote: »

Its nice that local government have managed to convince you that they shouldn't provide any services on the off-chance people actually use them.

Just like Dublin bikes will never work, they'll get destroyed by scumbags, right?

It wasn't that long ago where there was public toilets in the cities tbf. We all know why they were removed. Place I was complaining about (the Lough in Cork) had public toilets and it became a no go area to walk past them in the dark.

I see zero reason why that wouldn't still be an issue now.

AdamD

Hurrache wrote: »

I've studied, worked and socialised in Dublin City since the early 90s and I have never been once left wanting for a public bin and said that if I can't find one I'll dump it on the street anyway, sure it's the councils fault.

It's a pathetic argument and excuse. It's another reflection of the idiots in society with no sense of responsibility or self awareness, they always whinge it's someone else fault.

Neither have I. But you can sit here giving out about littering with your head in the sand, or you can provide an actual solution - bins.

Would you rather the moral high ground or cleaner streets?

Hurrache

AdamD wrote: »

Neither have I. But you can sit here giving out about littering with your head in the sand, or you can provide an actual solution - bins.

Would you rather the moral high ground or cleaner streets?

The solution is bring your rubbish home with you if there's nowhere to dispose of it, not dump it in the street. It's that simple.

Do you want bins provided atop of every mountain, forest and commons because you find it understandable, and excusable, that people dump their rubbish otherwise?

It's pathetic you're trying to argue and excuse littering.

Normal One

It's unfair to blame councils imo. These gatherings are impromptu events, they aren't planned like a festival where these things would be catered for. If you bring a bag of cans to a park then you can easily take the empties with you later, with the added bonus that they weigh a lot less! The toilet situation is a bit stickier. Public toilets and lack thereof have always been a problem in this country

normanoffside

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

But you were talking about antigen testing not antibody testing. Your concerns were with PCRs false positive rate and said that we should be using antigen testing to validate it. That study shows that both PCR and antigen testing have the same false positive rate. It also shows that antigen tests have a much higher false negative rate so I'm not sure how you could use it to validate the PCR tests.

Antigen tests only have a higher false negative rate when they use a PCR to 'validate' it.
The fact is that Antigen pick up active and infectious virus whereas PCR pick up inactive and deceased virus particles as well as live ones.

So maybe we are going about it the wrong way (PCR as Gold standard, everything else to be measured against it.).

In any case using Antigen testing could be more successful at picking up cases given that you get quick results and can repeat the tests frequently at a lesser cost and time delay than a single PCR taken infrequently.

Our authorities don't want to use them because they are primarily a tol to enable reopening of things and they want everything to remain closed.

Gael23

Deleted User wrote: »

Given immediate family usually means parents, spouse, siblings and children, is that not more restrictive, for most families at least? And what about where there is an partner of the deceased but they never married?

For many families children, Grandchildren and any living siblings amounts to more than 10 people.