Covid 19 Part XXXIV-249,437 ROI(4,906 deaths) 120,195 NI (2,145 deaths)(01/05)Read OP

seamus

titan18 wrote: »

From a logical point of view, why is it safe in a hotel and unsafe outside a hotel like.

You think after a year of this you'd know not to use the safe/unsafe thing, mate. It's about the balance of risk.

If a hotel restaurant has capacity for 10 groups and has 20 rooms booked out, then they will have 20 indoor groups at most that night. If their average stay is two nights, then they will have around 70 different groups in a week.

A restaurant with 10 tables could have 30 bookings in a night. And 150-250 different bookings in a week.

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This is so devastating for so many people who want things to stay closed until the vast majority are vaccinated.

Public opinion is against the reopening of society.

irishguy1983

is_that_so wrote: »

Well, it is quicker than they were painting a couple of months ago and the excitement is because people believe we are not going back to this again. For some people that is incredibly important both mentally and physically.

I disagree respectfully - think most felt we would be back in level 3 shall we say by June...I agree though - if this gives people a boost then that is good news

Deeper Blue

hotmail.com wrote: »

This is so devastating for so many people who want things to stay closed until the vast majority ar3 vaccinated.

Public opinion is against the reopening of society.

What are you on about? FFS

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It is strange how so many people seem excited to book a hair cut and book a hotel when opinion polls show that we favour restrictions.


Surely these people must have opposed level 5 originally.

Deeper Blue

hotmail.com wrote: »

It is strange how so many people seem excited to book a hair cut and book a hotel when opinion polls show that we favour restrictions.


Surely these people must have opposed level 5 originally.

Those opinion polls are clearly bollocks

In the real world most want to get back to living

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Deeper Blue wrote: »

What are you on about? FFS

Those calling for tougher restrictions in December were the first to demand an end to the 5km limit and now are saying this is good news. Even though cases are still relatively high and the vaccine rollout is going so slow.

I'd have respect for these panicers if at least they were consistent in their panic.

They'll be the first to ask for everything to be closed down again once cases rise over 600 in June.

hynesie08

hotmail.com wrote: »

It is strange how so many people seem excited to book a hair cut and book a hotel when opinion polls show that we favour restrictions.


Surely these people must have opposed level 5 originally.

Or, people saw the need for restrictions when we had 8000 cases a day and now think we can start safely opening up again....

Eod100

hotmail.com wrote: »

It is strange how so many people seem excited to book a hair cut and book a hotel when opinion polls show that we favour restrictions.


Surely these people must have opposed level 5 originally.

Think people will do what they feel is safe. If NPHET back it think people will feel comfortable. Been a long few months and hopefully everyone regardless of their views on restrictions can enjoy the easing.

iamwhoiam

hynesie08 wrote: »

Or, people saw the need for restrictions when we had 8000 cases a day and now think we can start safely opening up again....

And many of the vulnerable vaccinated .

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Deeper Blue wrote: »

Those opinion polls are clearly bollocks

In the real world most want to get back to living

Irish people aren't hypocrites. The opinion polls must be true.

mohawk

hotmail.com wrote: »

This is so devastating for so many people who want things to stay closed until the vast majority are vaccinated.

Public opinion is against the reopening of society.

They can stay at home until everyone is vaccinated.

crossman47

hotmail.com wrote: »

Those calling for tougher restrictions in December were the first to demand an end to the 5km limit and now are saying this is good news. Even though cases are still relatively high and the vaccine rollout is going so slow.

I'd have respect for these panicers if at least they were consistent in their panic.

They'll be the first to ask for everything to be closed down again once cases rise over 600 in June.

I'd respect your view more if you weren't so obviously wrong on the bit in bold.

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hynesie08 wrote: »

Or, people saw the need for restrictions when we had 8000 cases a day and now think we can start safely opening up again....

That's fine but they also pushed for schools and construction to close. There was an over panic here.

Higher cases equals panic here. Something we don't see in other countries.

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crossman47 wrote: »

I'd respect your view more if you weren't so obviously wrong on the bit in bold.

So you think the rollout is going grand?

hynesie08

hotmail.com wrote: »

That's fine but they also pushed for schools and construction to close. There was an over panic here.

Higher cases equals panic here. Something we don't see in other countries.

It wasn't higher cases, it was the highest incidence rate in Europe....

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mohawk wrote: »

They can stay at home until everyone is vaccinated.

I've met people who have broken the restrictions and then complain about other people breaking the restrictions. They justify their own actions but judge others.

hynesie08

hotmail.com wrote: »

So you think the rollout is going grand?

Why don't you break down where it's going wrong?

Deeper Blue

hotmail.com wrote: »

Those calling for tougher restrictions in December were the first to demand an end to the 5km limit and now are saying this is good news.

Anyone who says this isn't good news needs their head examined.

hotmail.com wrote: »

Even though cases are still relatively high and the vaccine rollout is going so slow.

- Cases are not high
- The vaccine rollout is broadly in line with the rest of the EU

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I'd have respect for these panicers if at least they were consistent in their panic.

The only people panicking are the likes of yourself from what I can see.

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They'll be the first to ask for everything to be closed down again once cases rise over 600 in June.

Cases won't matter in June with 70% minimum vaccinated, even if a lot of those are one dose. And 600 is feck all anyway.

Stheno

hotmail.com wrote: »

Irish people aren't hypocrites. The opinion polls must be true.

Have you a link to this opinion poll? When was it taken?

titan18

seamus wrote: »

You think after a year of this you'd know not to use the safe/unsafe thing, mate. It's about the balance of risk.

If a hotel restaurant has capacity for 10 groups and has 20 rooms booked out, then they will have 20 indoor groups at most that night. If their average stay is two nights, then they will have around 70 different groups in a week.

A restaurant with 10 tables could have 30 bookings in a night. And 150-250 different bookings in a week.

No, I get that. It minimizes risk but to me it's the same as when they pulled Dunnes and Tescos or other shops from selling non essential items, it's unfair on those they're now allowing to open, or why people complained about the €9 rule as being unfair to non food pubs.

There should be more in a decision than it minimizing risk. For one, it's guaranteed some hotels will serve people not staying there if they're not booked out as the chances of getting caught are minimal, and even without that, it's unfair on restaurants or bars not allowed to reopen with them. Even if it was a we're opening hotels and those residents need food, you can allow for room service only or something and then maybe all together can reopen late June instead of increasing the risk a bit and fcuking the non hotel restaurants/bars a lot.

irishlad123456

hotmail.com wrote: »

This is so devastating for so many people who want things to stay closed until the vast majority are vaccinated.

Public opinion is against the reopening of society.

Stayed behind the curtains forever then and let normal people live again

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hynesie08 wrote: »

Why don't you break down where it's going wrong?

I said it's going slow.

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Deeper Blue wrote: »

Anyone who says this isn't good news needs their head examined.



- Cases are not high
- The vaccine rollout is broadly in line with the rest of the EU



The only people panicking are the likes of yourself from what I can see.



Cases won't matter in June with 70% minimum vaccinated, even if a lot of those are one dose. And 600 is feck all anyway.

I hope you're right on the last point.

But I wouldn't put it passed Irish people having another meltdown when cases rise again in the summer.

hynesie08

hotmail.com wrote: »

I said it's going slow.

Oh right, you're wrong.

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hynesie08 wrote: »

Oh right, you're wrong.

It is going slow. The targets are unlikely to be met.

bennyl10

hotmail.com wrote: »

It is going slow. The targets are unlikely to be met.

Nope.
Targets are on track to be met if not very close to

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bennyl10 wrote: »

Nope.
Targets are on track to be met if not very close to

Very close means the targets aren't met.

GeorgeBailey

Deeper Blue wrote: »

Those opinion polls are clearly bollocks

In the real world most want to get back to living

I think in the real world people were happy with the restrictions that didn't overly affect them personally. So if you were running an opinion poll asking "Are you in favour of restrictions" people would reply "Yes". But if the opinion were to ask about a specific restriction the answer would probably be "Oh God no. Not that. I need that"

funnydoggy

Aaaaaaaaannnnnndddd we're back with the pessimism :pac: that didn't last long!

EDIT: Carry on, I made a booboo and can't read