Covid 19 Part XXXIV-249,437 ROI(4,906 deaths) 120,195 NI (2,145 deaths)(01/05)Read OP

Banana Republic 1

is_that_so wrote: »

Not really, testing to date is dependent on people seeking out tests. These centres may offer better data on the possible effect of asymptomatics on the spread of disease. Testing like this is not practical on a national scale.

It is in Britain, the rest of the EU and the wider western world.

Banana Republic 1

is_that_so wrote: »

Contact tracing breaks down once the number of cases gets too high or the average number of close contacts is in double figures. As Reid commented you can't exponentially expand a system just because people are getting sick. What I would say is that these walk-ins look like an effort to add more tools and it's far better to identify cases than to rely on contact tracing.

In Ireland anyway.

is_that_so

Banana Republic 1 wrote: »

It is in Britain, the rest of the EU and the wider western world.

You want to throw up a link that claims to show this? Remember though, Britain, speed of vaccinations aside, is not a good example of how to deal with a pandemic.

OwenM

Cosmo Kramer wrote: »

Exactly, it's impossible. There can be no roadmap, at least not one that people want to hear.

The reality is that by the time we get up to speed with the current vaccination program it will be largely rendered useless anyway, as the South African variant, which is currently spreading widely around mainland Europe, will have taken over as the dominant variant in Ireland also.

The current vaccinations only have a 10% to 30% success rate against the SA variant so are insufficient to tackle the autumn wave we're facing into. Everybody will need to be vaccinated again anyway because of it, we'll be starting over from scratch with vaccinations. It's unavoidable, and the government will know that, but probably don't want to depress people any further at the moment.

But the reality is that we're facing into another winter of lockdown and probably well into 2022 as well, so the best advice unfortunately is probably to just try to suck it up, stop worrying about irrelevancies like 10k or 20k travel limits and make the best of whatever you have because it is unlikely there will be any significant changes for the next year or more.

That is simply not true, one flawed trial in SA with the astrazeneca vaccine has been debunked, actually your entire post is the most childish attempt at trolling.

seamus

seamus wrote: »

It's off-topic here, but we do know there is no link between stressful events/periods and cancer.

Cancer is the result of cumulative genetic damage/mutations, typically over decades, leading to runaway cell growth as the typical growth regulation systems have been damaged. Stressful situations do not cause cells to suddenly become cancerous.

Stress may exacerbate an existing cancer, but it doesn't prompt one to spontaneously start.

so how does a 4 year old get cancer especially if its not genetic?

I'm not saying in this specific case it was triggered by stress but there are various reasons cancer develops. Its not always "cumulative genetic damage/mutations, typically over decades"

(apologies I don't want to go off topic here either)

kleiner feigling

kleiner feigling wrote: »

I haven't heard that theory before, and my point was that neither one of them offered data to support their arguments.
To date I've only seen evidence supporting seasonality of the disease so that is what I base my opinion on (opinion!).
I am open to being proven wrong as I am not an expert.... so it would be helpful if the experts actually used evidence to support their arguments, or alternatively, kept stumm!

You mean SA? Brazil? Florida? The autumn European surge starting 2 months before the normal winter virus season? New surges in spring in Europe, at the end of normal winter virus season?

retro:electro

Wombatman wrote: »

Slap on the wrist for George Lee.

https://www.dublinlive.ie/whats-on/food-drink-news/rtenews-irishpubs-level5update-georgelee-livetv-20275718

He is an absolutely pathetic person

iamwhoiam

[Deleted User] wrote: »

so how does a 4 year old get cancer especially if its not genetic?

I'm not saying in this specific case it was triggered by stress but there are various reasons cancer develops. Its not always "cumulative genetic damage/mutations, typically over decades"

(apologies I don't want to go off topic here either)

I have looked after babies with cancer . It definitely is not cumulative in a 10 month old

PowerToWait

SusieBlue wrote: »

Yes, you’re right. I think we will end up having more secondary deaths because of the lockdowns and restrictions than we will from the virus.

The lockdowns prevented many deaths from the virus. Like, people would be sick in huge numbers, the system would not be able to function correctly, the screenings would be unavailable anyway, so without lockdown you’d have a screwed HC system, hundreds dead a day and no cancer treatments or screenings. Is that what you are advocating for?

retro:electro

retro:electro wrote: »

He is an absolutely pathetic person

The role of journalists are to inform the public, not deliberately mislead them. He is a disgrace, and so are his employers standing over such brazen lies.

PowerToWait

PowerToWait wrote: »

The lockdowns prevented many deaths from the virus. Like, people would be sick in huge numbers, the system would not be able to function correctly, the screenings would be unavailable anyway, so without lockdown you’d have a screwed HC system, hundreds dead a day and no cancer treatments or screenings. Is that what you are advocating for?

Do you have evidence for any of that?

newuser99999

PowerToWait wrote: »

The lockdowns prevented many deaths from the virus. Like, people would be sick in huge numbers, the system would not be able to function correctly, the screenings would be unavailable anyway, so without lockdown you’d have a screwed HC system, hundreds dead a day and no cancer treatments or screenings. Is that what you are advocating for?

The health service has never functioned correctly lol.

Why wouldn’t you be able to have cancer treatments or screenings?

igCorcaigh

I don't understand why cancer screening or treatment would have to stop. What has that got to do with covid?

(apart from post surgical ICU care)

yourdeadwright

Surely all them folks in Dry robes are super spreaders ,
they seem to think because they are woke sea swimmer they can gather in large number and be fine ?

Amirani

igCorcaigh wrote: »

I don't understand why cancer screening or treatment would have to stop. What has that got to do with covid?

(apart from post surgical ICU care)

Loads of medical staff were off sick due to Covid, meaning many teams couldn't function properly. There were quite a few staff that had to be redeployed to focusing on urgent Covid care too.

Then just following the Covid regs mean you can't have lots of people in waiting rooms for cancer clinics/screenings, you need staggered appointments. There were/are whole areas of hospitals that became Covid wards/areas instead of what they were previously. There are lots of reasons really that meant non-Covid care got reduced.

covidrelease

PowerToWait wrote: »

The lockdowns prevented many deaths from the virus. Like, people would be sick in huge numbers, the system would not be able to function correctly, the screenings would be unavailable anyway, so without lockdown you’d have a screwed HC system, hundreds dead a day and no cancer treatments or screenings. Is that what you are advocating for?

Hundreds dead a DAY?

zinfandel

PowerToWait wrote: »

The lockdowns prevented many deaths from the virus. Like, people would be sick in huge numbers, the system would not be able to function correctly, the screenings would be unavailable anyway, so without lockdown you’d have a screwed HC system, hundreds dead a day and no cancer treatments or screenings. Is that what you are advocating for?

exactly, I cant figure out why people cannot understand this...

covidrelease

zinfandel wrote: »

exactly, I cant figure out why people cannot understand this...

Hundreds dead a day?

zinfandel

covidrelease wrote: »

Hundreds dead a DAY?

if it had been allowed run rampant and the hospitals got overwhelmed it would easily have been 100's a day plus the people with other problems who could not get into hospital,

SnuggyBear

zinfandel wrote: »

if it had been allowed run rampant and the hospitals got overwhelmed it would easily have been 100's a day plus the people with other problems who could not get into hospital,

You know it is possible to take precautions and not lock down everything for the best part of year. It doesn't have to be all or nothing.

mayordenis

covidrelease wrote: »

Hundreds dead a DAY?

Obviously, yes.

hotmail.com

Tennis and golf could have a delayed reopening it seems.

FintanMcluskey

Deleted User wrote: »

Do you have evidence for any of that?

Lombardy March 2020.

About 10 million citizens in an area the size of Munster with one of the oldest population demographic’s in the world

Similar demographics to Ireland.

Eod100

https://twitter.com/MichealLehane/status/1376519668580634632?s=19

cjyid

Eod100 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/MichealLehane/status/1376519668580634632?s=19

AKA the government bowing to NPHET again.

Doctor Jimbob

Eod100 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/MichealLehane/status/1376519668580634632?s=19

More caution, that's good. If there's one thing we've been lacking in all this, it's caution.

Eod100

Eod100 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/MichealLehane/status/1376519668580634632?s=19

Translation: "Government crippled by cowardice, overly deferential to NPHET which actually holds the reins of power in Ireland despite being a single-issue entity".

giveitholly

hotmail.com wrote: »

Tennis and golf could have a delayed reopening it seems.

I don't play tennis or golf and have no intention of taking them up but if true that is some joke

marno21

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Translation: "Government crippled by cowardice, overly deferential to NPHET which actually holds the reins of power in Ireland despite being a single-issue entity".

This has Micheal Martin written all over it.

Doctor Jimbob

marno21 wrote: »

This has Micheal Martin written all over it.

The man is an utter coward with all the leadership qualities of a wet dishcloth.