Covid 19 Part XXXIV-249,437 ROI(4,906 deaths) 120,195 NI (2,145 deaths)(01/05)Read OP

Cork2021

Klonker wrote: »

"Let's move a little bit at a time so they won't notice and we won't get given out to"

These are suppose to be the leaders of our country ffs. I'm actually embarrassed of our country at the moment and I don't say that lightly.

There’s not one ounce of leadership been shown not one!! We’ve been thrown a few crumbs and told to hold firm!! It’s all bollix to me!
Wife due our baby over the next couple of days and I won’t even be allowed back in after the birth! It’s a ****ing joke!
Show us leadership, give us a roadmap, hinge it on the vaccination programme and icu numbers! Not cases! Cases will mean sweet fûck all soon!

RGS

Natterjack from Kerry wrote: »

Thats not as we were. Thats a plan of staged relaxation of restrictions over the next two months. Really ? Is it that difficult to go cautiously for just a few more months until the vaccines reach the English level ? Look at where they are and they only opened golf today ? And people here want it next week ! We are 6-8 weeks behind. EU vaccine programme to blame on that one. But NPHET and the govt can only go on the facts as they are, not how they would like them to be.

But English golfers knew when the road plan was issued golf was opening today. NI have a roadmap. We dont have a roadmap.
Golfers here still dont know when the courses will open. Will it be the 5th April, 12th 19th or postponed till may.
Our government is a joke.

Corholio

hynesie08 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/PTHosford/status/1376660990595567622?s=20

If you've been reading between the lines, may is on course for a major easing of restrictions, so why they won't come out and give the caveats necessary for it is beyond me.

Hopefully I'm proven wrong tomorrow.......

They constantly mention this 'pre breaking of conditions', that if they announce the eased restrictions for May, that people will already go out and start breaking them. I don't believe that's a very strong reason not to though, a lot of the potential May restrictions would be premises that wouldn't open until then, so how could people pre-break those restrictions? I fully believe that giving people something to look forward to will help people stay contained than much better than hitting them with a 'hold on or else' stick.

blowitupref

gozunda wrote: »

Which was what?

Do you class 202 more weekly cases from 27,823 more weekly tests as a volatile situation?

Jizique

Cork2021 wrote: »

There’s not one ounce of leadership been shown not one!! We’ve been thrown a few crumbs and told to hold firm!! It’s all bollix to me!
Wife due our baby over the next couple of days and I won’t even be allowed back in after the birth! It’s a ****ing joke!
Show us leadership, give us a roadmap, hinge it on the vaccination programme and icu numbers! Not cases! Cases will mean sweet fûck all soon!

Canada to suspend the AZ for those aged under 55 - wonder if the regulators will need to take another look here

Cork2021

hynesie08 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/PTHosford/status/1376660990595567622?s=20

If you've been reading between the lines, may is on course for a major easing of restrictions, so why they won't come out and give the caveats necessary for it is beyond me.

Hopefully I'm proven wrong tomorrow.......

I’d accept a roadmap with caveats like you’ve said, it gives us all something to work on.. ie, go to a restaurant, go to the pub when and how can this happen?? Let us know and I’m sure people will listen and say right let’s get through these 6-8 weeks and then we can actually enjoy summer!

Natterjack from Kerry

RGS wrote: »

But English golfers knew when the road plan was issued golf was opening today. NI have a roadmap. We dont have a roadmap.
Golfers here still dont know when the courses will open. Will it be the 5th April, 12th 19th or postponed till may.
Our government is a joke.

Like which Monday golfers can play again is a pressing matter for the govt at the moment ? Really ?

11521323

Natterjack from Kerry wrote: »

Like which Monday golfers can play again is a pressing matter for the govt at the moment ? Really ?

10% of the population play golf, it's the only exercise many of those will get too. It's outdoors, it's safe. There is zero logical or scientific reasoning to keep courses closed any longer.

You're so out of touch with reality it's scary. You're on the ignored list now for being incapable of rational thought.

hotmail.com

A lot of people will be angry tomorrow the government is rejecting the advice of NPHET.

A large junk of people what the current restrictions to remain in place.

cheezums

hotmail.com wrote: »

A lot of people will be angry tomorrow the government is rejecting the advice of NPHET.

A large junk of people what the current restrictions to remain in place.

i don't think so at all. most people i know have had enough of lockdown. all of them were supportive of restrictions right up until about a month ago.

the blanket level 5 is no longer tolerable. people are literally losing their minds.

if there is not meaningful changes tomorrow, there will be very little support left nationally for this government and things will so south fast.

Pepsirebel

Cork2021 wrote: »

I’d accept a roadmap with caveats like you’ve said, it gives us all something to work on.. ie, go to a restaurant, go to the pub when and how can this happen?? Let us know and I’m sure people will listen and say right let’s get through these 6-8 weeks and then we can actually enjoy summer!

A roadmap....our roadmap is us on a roundabout with a number of exits available to us but we're going round & round white knuckling the steering wheel while hugging & staring at the kerb of the roundabout. While holding up traffic.

Dopes

RGS

Natterjack from Kerry wrote: »

Like which Monday golfers can play again is a pressing matter for the govt at the moment ? Really ?

You mentioned golf in your post, I responded.

Yes outdoor non contact sport should be an issue on the agenda or are you dismissive of the health benefits available from golf and other sports.

I firmly believe any outdoor activity should be promoted and actively encouraged but it appears our health experts put too much emphasis on the possible side issues and they go on about possible coffee buying, petrol buying, car sharing but ignore the real benefits to people.

Kunta Kinte

TheDoctor wrote: »

We are all the worst and deserve to be punished by NPHET

Correct.

Natterjack from Kerry

RGS wrote: »

You mentioned golf in your post, I responded.

Yes outdoor non contact sport should be an issue on the agenda or are you dismissive of the health benefits available from golf and other sports.

I firmly believe any outdoor activity should be promoted and actively encouraged but it appears our health experts put too much emphasis on the possible side issues and they go on about possible coffee buying, petrol buying, car sharing but ignore the real benefits to people.

As an example. Of how we are realitve to the UK, which is 6-8 weeks ahead of us. So why does anyone think the irish govt will accelerate to the UK pace in a week. No chance.

hotmail.com

cheezums wrote: »

i don't think so at all. most people i know have had enough of lockdown. all of them were supportive of restrictions right up until about a month ago.

the blanket level 5 is no longer tolerable. people are literally losing their minds.

if there is not meaningful changes tomorrow, there will be very little support left nationally for this government and things will so south fast.

This isn't what opinion polls say.

I'm being flippant, because I'm just highlighting the annoying flip flop approach of so many Irish people.

They want restrictions but not for themselves. They asked for tighter restrictions back in January to eliminate the virus and the government gave it to them. Now they are moaning about the rules.

You can't win.

Natterjack from Kerry

RGS wrote: »

I firmly believe any outdoor activity should be promoted and actively encouraged but it appears our health experts put too much emphasis on the possible side issues and they go on about possible coffee buying, petrol buying, car sharing but ignore the real benefits to people.

They dont ignore them. Of course they are aware of the benefits. But dont consider them to outweigh the downsides.

Sofa King Great

hotmail.com wrote: »

This isn't what opinion polls say.

I'm being flippant, because I'm just highlighting the annoying flip flop approach of so many Irish people.

They want restrictions but not for themselves. They asked for tighter restrictions back in January to eliminate the virus and the government gave it to them. Now they are moaning about the rules.

You can't win.

Back in January when we had thousands of cases a day and far higher numbers in hospital?

cheezums

hotmail.com wrote: »

This isn't what opinion polls say.

I'm being flippant, because I'm just highlighting the annoying flip flop approach of so many Irish people.

They want restrictions but not for themselves. They asked for tighter restrictions back in January to eliminate the virus and the government gave it to them. Now they are moaning about the rules.

You can't win.

like i said, i was supportive right up until a month ago. it now seems like we cannot get cases below 500-600 due to rapidly eroding public buy in. this was always the danger with the blanket lockdown approach. it is not sustainable.

if vaccines were being thrown out like candy bars then maybe people would buy in, but at current rates the country won't be vaccinated until sometime in 2022.

also there are clearly businesses and activities that are extremely low risk that no one (not even scientists) can understand why they are part of any disease control strategy. if we had some kind of targeted restrictions, again, maybe there would be more buy in.

TheDoctor

Hospital numbers at 8pm

Total 313 (down from 328 last night)
ICU 70 (up from 68 last night)

Last Monday
Total 342
ICU 80

hotmail.com

cheezums wrote: »

like i said, i was supportive right up until a month ago. it now seems like we cannot get cases below 500-600 due to rapidly eroding public buy in. this was always the danger with the blanket lockdown approach. it is not sustainable.

if vaccines were being thrown out like candy bars then maybe people would buy in, but at current rates the country won't be vaccinated until sometime in 2022.

also there are clearly businesses and activities that are extremely low risk that no one (not even scientists) can understand why they are part of any disease control strategy. if we had some kind of targeted restrictions, again, maybe there would be more buy in.

That's grand, but once there is a relaxation of restrictions and the cases go up, please don't moan about it and look for more restrictions again!

aziz

Kunta Kinte wrote: »

Correct.

Well now,you are just taking the piss

blowitupref

Hospital operations update

In hospital 313 (decrease of 15)

In ICU 70 (increase of 2 and 1 death in the last 24)

Last Monday

In hospital 342
In ICU 80

cheezums

hotmail.com wrote: »

That's grand, but once there is a relaxation of restrictions and the cases go up, please don't moan about it and look for more restrictions again!

a final point that many have made. there are counties where this thing is basically eradicated and there is no inter county travel. how hard is it to use the county level restrictions that they originally proposed? are we that ****ing incompetent we can't even manage that?

hotmail.com

cheezums wrote: »

a final point that many have made. there are counties where this thing is basically eradicated and there is no inter county travel. how hard is it to use the county level restrictions that they originally proposed? are we that ****ing incompetent we can't even manage that?

The country is too small for that.

We would be a region in Germany or France all on our own.

I've never agreed with the tight restrictions after the first lockdown, particularly the closing of schools and construction.

Ending stuff like golf and tennis was crazy too. Once you introduce it, it's difficult to reverse them. As Irish people are so annoying.

KrustyUCC

I do have to laugh at this part of the Indo article

"Another source at the meeting said Nphet urged ministers to “hold firm”. The source conceded there would only be a gradual easing of “very few restrictions” next month. “I think we didn’t lower expectations enough,” the source said.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/easing-lockdownnow-could-result-in-new-wave-of-covid-cases-lasting-until-mid-summer-nphet-warns-40254516.html?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=seeding&fbclid=IwAR3ofo71xfazH4veoNHUTlFJDGcHyntIHC_faIBjy4a9q0GXOq1lzxYc_Ic

Going to be brilliant in May after SFA easing of restrictions in April when they will try to lower expectations even further than the measly easing of restrictions proposed for April

PTH2009

hotmail.com wrote: »

A lot of people will be angry tomorrow the government is rejecting the advice of NPHET.

A large junk of people what the current restrictions to remain in place.

That's not happening

NPHET's advice wont be refused as the government are scared ****less of a repeat of Xmas 2020

Really hope i'm wrong but cant see it

gozunda

KrustyUCC wrote: »

See blowitups post above

Very little change in cases for much more testing

The more you test the more cases you'll find

See the pop up centres

NPHET don't want any changes

They have no care for the wellbeing of society or how hard the restrictions have been not the effort people have put in

4 months of not seeing friends, family, partners

If the government don't give small changes after 4 months of level 5 there's going to be a lot more people not adhering to the restrictions

The plateauing of new cases was evident before the "much more testing"

As for "The more you test the more cases you'll find"

Not quite ...

Experts warn the data must be treated with caution. Graham Medley, professor of infectious disease modelling at the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine, said the relationship between the volume of testing and number of positives is complex.

“It does depend how the testing is targeted (who is being offered tests), and which individuals are agreeing to be tested, or coming forward requesting tests,” Medley said.

The point was echoed by a spokesperson for the European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control, who said that there can be numerous reasons for increased case numbers in some countries.

“It may reflect changes in surveillance strategies (e.g. increasing testing, changes in the case definition), increased sustained transmission, large localized outbreaks and importation of cases,” the spokesperson said. “It remains important to consider whether an increase in case notification rates is due to a change in testing methods or a true resurgence.”

the relationship between more testing and new cases isn’t always straightforward. In Finland, health workers doubled the number of tests carried out in the space of a month, and found that positive cases ticked downward. Likewise in the U.K. and Portugal.

https://www.politico.eu/article/does-more-coronavirus-testing-mean-more-cases/

I doubt that anyone wants restrictions. Those in Nphet also have families, loved ones, children.

Restrictions will be rolled back as vaccination numbers increase. As of today we still have a relatively small number vaccinated overall. And of the elderly and those who are medically of high risk many remain to be vaccinated and recieve their first and ,/ or second shots.

It may take some time. Until then we have to do the best we can.

Corholio

TheDoctor wrote: »

Hospital numbers at 8pm

Total 313 (down from 328 last night)
ICU 70 (up from 68 last night)

Last Monday
Total 342
ICU 80

Another week of both numbers falling, another week of both numbers relegated to stat fillers in terms of importance to some.

ShineOn7

Dev's gonna need extra servers for 6pm here tomorrow

The Government has been warned that lifting restrictions too early could cause another wave of Covid-19 lasting into the summer.

In a stark warning delivered to Ministers on Monday night by the National Public Health Emergency Team (Nphet), the Government was told that while the Irish vaccination programme is progressing relatively well by European standards, there is nowhere near enough protection at a population level in order to substantially relax restrictions.

However, if a four-to-eight week period of caution is observed, risks could be reduced by between 50 and 70 per cent. The advice is being considered by Government.

Meanwhile, the HSE told the Government that it would struggle to meet key healthcare goals if confronted with another wave of the disease, such as running a healthcare service catering for non-Covid needs.

More here https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/nphet-gives-stark-warning-that-lifting-restrictions-too-early-could-cause-fresh-covid-wave-lasting-into-summer-1.4522864

Kunta Kinte

ShineOn7 wrote: »

Dev's gonna need extra servers for 6pm here tomorrow




More here https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/nphet-gives-stark-warning-that-lifting-restrictions-too-early-could-cause-fresh-covid-wave-lasting-into-summer-1.4522864

Yep. If the government follows goes along with the NPHET advice the outrage from certain quarters will be off the scale.