Covid 19 Part XXXIV-249,437 ROI(4,906 deaths) 120,195 NI (2,145 deaths)(01/05)Read OP

iamwhoiam

British Columbia in Canada had a huge rise in cases . What did they do ? A three week sharp circuit breaker and everyone listens and complies because they trust them to stick to it
Here we know damn well they are only teasing and will extend it until Christmas and think we dont notice

stephenjmcd

Firstly the tweet is incorrect to start with, secondly anyone who follows the hospital numbers on this thread will know they go up and down, such an odd article

https://twitter.com/Independent_ie/status/1376786272761606144?s=19

irishguy1983

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Firstly the tweet is incorrect to start with, secondly anyone who follows the hospital numbers on this thread will know they go up and down, such an odd article

https://twitter.com/Independent_ie/status/1376786272761606144?s=19

You get this from RTE this morning...

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0330/1206909-coronavirus-ireland/

Kiith

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Firstly the tweet is incorrect to start with, secondly anyone who follows the hospital numbers on this thread will know they go up and down, such an odd article

https://twitter.com/Independent_ie/status/1376786272761606144?s=19

I'll bet they don't tweet every time the numbers drop, do they? :mad:

manofwisdom

This was plan at the end of February.



All that has changed is the plan pushed back two weeks. No other restrictions was ever to be lifted in April but it didn't stop many journalists brewing up a storm into thinking more was promised.

stephenjmcd

irishguy1983 wrote: »

You get this from RTE this morning...

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0330/1206909-coronavirus-ireland/

Funny how the same numbers can give 2 completely different takes isn't it

is_that_so

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Firstly the tweet is incorrect to start with, secondly anyone who follows the hospital numbers on this thread will know they go up and down, such an odd article

https://twitter.com/Independent_ie/status/1376786272761606144?s=19

Not too inclined to comment on the spectre of media COVID porn but that's a prime example of something to set people up for a miserable day!

Jim_Hodge

bennyl10 wrote: »

Morning Ireland news saying inter county by mid April

They said within County by mid-April. But, I'll wait for the actual announcement as all this speculation is wearing.

11521323

manofwisdom wrote: »

This was plan at the end of February.



All that has changed is the plan pushed back two weeks. No other restrictions was ever to be lifted in April but it didn't stop many journalists brewing up a storm into thinking more was promised.

Yeah but the fact it's pushed back is just another notch in the belt of bull**** that they've worn since this began.

It's disingenuous and it's a sneaky way of extracting another few weeks of level 5 out of an already tired population. It makes me physically sick.

Sanjuro

is_that_so wrote: »

Assuming he does speak, I'm not sure Martin can get the tone right at all and will more likely front load it with the very limited changes and keep claiming to understand how difficult it is. Of more importance will be how they intend the rest of the plan to work and probable intervals. One would really hope we don't get a lot of June, 9 weeks away, will be so much better. That said NPHET are pushing a better life in 8-12 weeks so he's corralled to an extent. Even so the real risk of not offering at least a modicum of hope is that people will really abandon compliance in larger numbers.

Micheal Martin is a charisma vacuum. I have never seen such a weasly, insipid man become the leader of a country. Seriously, was the leader of Fianna Fail a position literally nobody wanted after Brian Cowen and he got it by default, or has he Fritzl-holed a bunch of Fianna Fail leaders' families in order to maintain power? Because that's all that would make sense. Regardless, he could come out this evening and throw the doors open on the country and it would still be met with at best apathy due to his incredible lack of leadership through out the course of his tenure as Taoiseach.

Neamhshuntasach

bennyl10 wrote: »

Morning Ireland news saying inter county by mid April

So can move about the entire country? Don't know why they would increase from 5km next week and then lift completely 2 weeks later.

Keyzer

Sanjuro wrote: »

Micheal Martin is a charisma vacuum. I have never seen such a weasly, insipid man become the leader of a country. Seriously, was the leader of Fianna Fail a position literally nobody wanted after Brian Cowen and he got it by default, or has he Fritzl-holed a bunch of Fianna Fail leaders' families in order to maintain power? Because that's all that would make sense. Regardless, he could come out this evening and throw the doors open on the country and it would still be met with at best apathy due to his incredible lack of leadership through out the course of his tenure as Taoiseach.

True, he's like a really crap bond villain.

I predict the following in terms of easing restrictions tonight:

- 5KM rule to be abolished and replaced with a new 5.1KM rule
- All non-essential retail will be allowed to open on the condition they don't open
- Restrictions on non-essential travel to be abolished. However, all airlines are closed
- Pubs, sadly, will not open but, as a show of solidarity, a slab of dutch gold will be given to every Irish citizen
- House parties are back but, anyone who attends, will be shot dead on arrival

Roll on the good times lads...

Jim_Hodge

Neamhshuntasach wrote: »

So can move about the entire country? Don't know why they would increase from 5km next week and then lift completely 2 weeks later.

He got it wrong. RTE said Within County not Inter County.

iamwhoiam

Neamhshuntasach wrote: »

So can move about the entire country? Don't know why they would increase from 5km next week and then lift completely 2 weeks later.

Because we are being played like a fiddle .Make them believe they will get nothing then give them a crumb and they will be happy

flanna01

This really is a no win win situation for the Government.

If you consider this thread as the general mindset of the Irish population, then we want restrictions eased, more retail options reopened, and to do otherwise will incur the loss of the publics support.

But, the Government are mere politicians (all brylcreem and teeth as my Father would say).

These guys are not qualified to make judgements on a Viral Pandemic... Hence, they take advise from a science led team of experts.

it's not often I feel pity for the Brylcreen brigade, but their backs are truly against the wall on this occasion.

Ignore Nphet and be directly accused of making a ball's of it again as the numbers surge... Follow Nephet's advice, and be accused of dancing to Donnely's tune all the time.

What strikes me is this....

Everybody in the Country knows the stay safe protocol... Wash the paws, Social distance, Is the journey really essential......

Yet we blame the government everytime the numbers head north..??

What we have here is a blame game culture. Blame anybody but ourselves. It's all their fault....

Unfortunately, the 'Them' is really 'Us'.

DOCARCH

flanna01 wrote: »

If you consider this thread as the general mindset of the Irish population.....

I really don't think so! Tends to be extremes here.

Neamhshuntasach

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Because we are being played like a fiddle .Make them believe they will get nothing then give them a crumb and they will be happy

Actually I think the term inter county was just used wrongly having seen the news article. Inter meaning between and not within.

Jim_Hodge

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Because we are being played like a fiddle .Make them believe they will get nothing then give them a crumb and they will be happy

No. It's because a poster here misheard the News. It's within county.

The indignation is amazing .

is_that_so

flanna01 wrote: »

This really is a no win win situation for the Government.

If you consider this thread as the general mindset of the Irish population, then we want restrictions eased, more retail options reopened, and to do otherwise will incur the loss of the publics support.

But, the Government are mere politicians (all brylcreem and teeth as my Father would say).

These guys are not qualified to make judgements on a Viral Pandemic... Hence, they take advise from a science led team of experts.

it's not often I feel pity for the Brylcreen brigade, but their backs are truly against the wall on this occasion.

Ignore Nphet and be directly accused of making a ball's of it again as the numbers surge... Follow Nephet's advice, and be accused of dancing to Donnely's tune all the time.

What strikes me is this....

Everybody in the Country knows the stay safe protocol... Wash the paws, Social distance, Is the journey really essential......

Yet we blame the government everytime the numbers head north..??

What we have here is a blame game culture. Blame anybody but ourselves. It's all their fault....

Unfortunately, the 'Them' is really 'Us'.

There is a contrast to be drawn between what happened last year from May and what we're getting now. We had a plan, a pretty detailed one, with 3 weeks built into each phase. Now, unfortunately it's very reactive, hyper cautious and the spectre of Christmas is still haunting them. The frustration, not everyone wants to get their hair done or go shopping, is the lack of an actual plan. They can certainly be blamed for that and they do need to deliver one sooner rather than later.

iamwhoiam

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

No. It's because a poster here misheard the News. It's within county.

The indignation is amazing .

I think we are being played like a fiddle all along , not about the 5km but in general .People cannot see it but its happening all the time

Doctor Jimbob

This talk of easing the 5km on the 12th instead of the 5th is the return of the can't be easing restrictions on a bank holiday rubbish, isn't it?

robbiezero

flanna01 wrote: »

This really is a no win win situation for the Government.

If you consider this thread as the general mindset of the Irish population, then we want restrictions eased, more retail options reopened, and to do otherwise will incur the loss of the publics support.

But, the Government are mere politicians (all brylcreem and teeth as my Father would say).

These guys are not qualified to make judgements on a Viral Pandemic... Hence, they take advise from a science led team of experts.

it's not often I feel pity for the Brylcreen brigade, but their backs are truly against the wall on this occasion.

Ignore Nphet and be directly accused of making a ball's of it again as the numbers surge... Follow Nephet's advice, and be accused of dancing to Donnely's tune all the time.

What strikes me is this....

Everybody in the Country knows the stay safe protocol... Wash the paws, Social distance, Is the journey really essential......

Yet we blame the government everytime the numbers head north..??

What we have here is a blame game culture. Blame anybody but ourselves. It's all their fault....

Unfortunately, the 'Them' is really 'Us'.

They have never had any more clue that the rest of us what could happen over the next 2 weeks not to mind two months. That's why the next 2 weeks were always crucial and they were always "deeply concerned", because quite simply they just don't know and never have. Its disappointing that over a year into this, that we are still completely in the dark with no other tool than a ridiculously blunt level 5 lockdown.
Travel restrictions should be long gone at this stage, meeting outdoors should have been allowed long ago, these things don't cause surges, you might get a slow increase which can either be managed or just revert the restriction, but that sort of stuff would involve taking very slight risks, which there is no reason for a well-paid single-issue group to take and a spineless Government who is too scared to try anything.

AdamD

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

This talk of easing the 5km on the 12th instead of the 5th is the return of the can't be easing restrictions on a bank holiday rubbish, isn't it?

Get used to it again. It'll be the reason they don't ease restrictions before the May bank holiday, the June bank holiday and then the August bank holiday.

Because god forbid the populace actually enjoy their days off

Wolf359f

Oranage2 wrote: »

The problem with today's figures are that they're the result of the daily cases 2-3 weeks ago. Our rising numbers this week will be seen in rising hospital numbers in 2-3 weeks time.

This is like a ship, you've to start turning the wheel well in advance

Hospital admissions will always increase before you see the increases in cases. It's been that way through the past 3 waves. The only lag you see is with deaths.
Hospital admissions have been reducing week on week.

celt262

Wolf359f wrote: »

Hospital admissions will always increase before you see the increases in cases. It's been that way through the past 3 waves. The only lag you see is with deaths.
Hospital admissions have been reducing week on week.

I cannot see who that is correct?

Sanjuro

flanna01 wrote: »

This really is a no win win situation for the Government.

If you consider this thread as the general mindset of the Irish population, then we want restrictions eased, more retail options reopened, and to do otherwise will incur the loss of the publics support.

But, the Government are mere politicians (all brylcreem and teeth as my Father would say).

These guys are not qualified to make judgements on a Viral Pandemic... Hence, they take advise from a science led team of experts.

it's not often I feel pity for the Brylcreen brigade, but their backs are truly against the wall on this occasion.

Ignore Nphet and be directly accused of making a ball's of it again as the numbers surge... Follow Nephet's advice, and be accused of dancing to Donnely's tune all the time.

What strikes me is this....

Everybody in the Country knows the stay safe protocol... Wash the paws, Social distance, Is the journey really essential......

Yet we blame the government everytime the numbers head north..??

What we have here is a blame game culture. Blame anybody but ourselves. It's all their fault....

Unfortunately, the 'Them' is really 'Us'.

Oh piss off. I'm tired of being blamed for everything. The government have done the bare minimum while foisting the majority of the responsibility onto the general public and blaming them when things go south. It took them over a year to implement mandatory quarantine when it should have been one of the first things to be implemented. Then what? They blame us for transmitting the strains that easily entered the country. They are entirely reactive. Never proactive in implementing a proper track and trace program. They did the bare minimum to increase hospital capacity and have been entirely passive until a vaccine became available. And they have time, and again refused to lay out a proper plan based on either data or dates. Just wishy washy "in six weeks" nonsense. We were entirely compliant in the first lockdown. But compliance has fallen off a cliff because there has been absolutely no leadership shown. Just scolding and being told "do more. DO MORE." when there is no more most people can do. So don't turn around and scold us again. It doesn't wash any more.

gozunda

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

You mean you aren't looking forward to the headmaster's speech this evening telling us we're all in detention for another few weeks because some of the class can't behave? Personally I can't wait.

Or simply the risk of increasing case numbers at this point in our vaccination rollout doesn't warrant being told "ah sure its all grand lads"?

Doctor Jimbob

gozunda wrote: »

Or simply the risk of increasing case numbers at this point in our vaccination rollout doesn't warrant being told "ah sure its all grand lads"?

You'll have to point out where I said I expect to be told it's all grand.

Sobit1964

gozunda wrote: »

Or simply the risk of increasing case numbers at this point in our vaccination rollout don't warrant being told "ah sure its all grand lads"?

There seems to be a real tendency to pepper pro government/lockdown posts with 'Or Simply...', 'Its not hard to understand', 'Its remedial stuff', 'its not rocket science'.

Condescending, debate stifling, and silencing tactic.

I suggest its the opposite - this government are too simple to deal with anything more complicated than sitting on their hands. Their ardent supporters are too simple to consider nuance and anything other than lockdowns.

OwenM

flanna01 wrote: »

This really is a no win win situation for the Government.

If you consider this thread as the general mindset of the Irish population, then we want restrictions eased, more retail options reopened, and to do otherwise will incur the loss of the publics support.

But, the Government are mere politicians (all brylcreem and teeth as my Father would say).

These guys are not qualified to make judgements on a Viral Pandemic... Hence, they take advise from a science led team of experts.

it's not often I feel pity for the Brylcreen brigade, but their backs are truly against the wall on this occasion.

Ignore Nphet and be directly accused of making a ball's of it again as the numbers surge... Follow Nephet's advice, and be accused of dancing to Donnely's tune all the time.

What strikes me is this....

Everybody in the Country knows the stay safe protocol... Wash the paws, Social distance, Is the journey really essential......

Yet we blame the government everytime the numbers head north..??

What we have here is a blame game culture. Blame anybody but ourselves. It's all their fault....

Unfortunately, the 'Them' is really 'Us'.

The modelling group two weeks ago said the R number was between 1 and 1.3, so stating case growth is either flat or growing quickly - which is it? They honestly haven't a scooby doo.