Covid 19 Part XXXIV-249,437 ROI(4,906 deaths) 120,195 NI (2,145 deaths)(01/05)Read OP

Leftwaffe

Can anyone explain to me how all kids are in classrooms together but they can’t train together outside yet?

Kunta Kinte

paddyisreal wrote: »

Is it, is it really? Limerick on a Tuesday night. Must be making sure he gets all the expenses or he's at one of them student parties I would say

Alan Kelly is at a student party? Riiiiight.........:rolleyes::rolleyes:

MrMusician18

Leftwaffe wrote: »

Can anyone explain to me how all kids are in classrooms together but they can’t train together outside yet?

Children's education is more important than training. If its a choice between education and training, and thats what it is, then education wins.

The restrictions are about reducing the total number of social interactions. Over a year of this, and we are still explaining this.

MrMusician18

MrMusician18 wrote: »

Will things ever return to pre-pandemic normal? Its not often I agree with eskimohunt, but things will be normal enough that almost everyone will be able to get on with their lives relatively unhindered by June. To be honest, after the year we've had, that's good enough for me.

Would you be willing to wear masks forever?

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A lot of people are going to be annoyed with this relaxation because the cases are still high.

The people shouting for level 5 in December.

paddyisreal

Leftwaffe wrote: »

Can anyone explain to me how all kids are in classrooms together but they can’t train together outside yet?

Because covid knows that you are playing sport and will transmit more effectively or more than likely nphet haven't a bloody clue so just resort to shut everything down when numbers climb

paddyisreal

MrMusician18 wrote: »

Children's education is more important than training. If its a choice between education and training, and thats what it is, then education wind.

The restrictions are about reducing the total number of social interactions. Over a year of this, and we are still explaining this.

You are still explaining a stupid rule that stops kids training in non contact pods but can go to school and mix in every green and park in the country. If you are still explaining you're losing.

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Devastating news to put France, Germany and Italy on a quarantine list.

This will surely irritate the EU.

paddyisreal

Kunta Kinte wrote: »

Alan Kelly is at a student party? Riiiiight.........:rolleyes::rolleyes:

party animal is Alan promoting zero covid and zero fun.

Messi19

hotmail.com wrote: »

A lot of people are going to be annoyed with this relaxation because the cases are still high.

The people shouting for level 5 in December.

Give over. We never got anywhere near level 5. If it wasn't for the UK variant we'd be well out the other side by now

Leftwaffe

MrMusician18 wrote: »

Children's education is more important than training. If its a choice between education and training, and thats what it is, then education wind.

The restrictions are about reducing the total number of social interactions. Over a year of this, and we are still explaining this.

Would you believe it MrMusician, I actually understand that. It’s all about managing and assessing the risk. Thanks nonetheless.

MrMusician18

paddyisreal wrote: »

You are still explaining a stupid rule that stops kids training in non contact pods but can go to school and mix in every green and park in the country. If you are still explaining you're losing.

They'd be allowed to train if the population could be trusted to not mix surrounding things like this, but time and time again we've learned that people do not behave. They let their guard down and do as they please when they think no one is looking.

namloc1980

namloc1980 wrote: »

So we won't have a return to normality in 12 weeks as you claimed: "12 weeks left and normality returns". And now you've changed the goalposts to end of June the worst being over. So which is it, a return to normality or not by end of June?

Stop playing games.

No pandemic ends at a defined date. Stop it. Now.

If in 12-weeks, we are more or less open with masks in certain situations, that is a more than acceptable situation.

That approximates to the word 'normality' more than ever before.

namloc1980

MrMusician18 wrote: »

Will things ever return to pre-pandemic normal? Its not often I agree with eskimohunt, but things will be normal enough that almost everyone will be able to get on with their lives relatively unhindered by June. To be honest, after the year we've had, that's good enough for me.

This is it though. The "new normal" will include longer term masks and social distancing. It's not normal but people will inevitably accept it after the year we've had.

Deleted User

Deleted User wrote: »

Stop playing games.

No pandemic ends at a defined date. Stop it. Now.

If in 12-weeks, we are more or less open with masks in certain situations, that is a more than acceptable situation.

That approximates to the word 'normality' more than ever before.

But it's masks everywhere apart from outdoors. When do you think they'll be scrapped for good?

Would you consider the heavily restricted level 1 normal?

namloc1980

Deleted User wrote: »

Stop playing games.

No pandemic ends at a defined date. Stop it. Now.

If in 12-weeks, we are more or less open with masks in certain situations, that is a more than acceptable situation.

That approximates to the word 'normality' more than ever before.

No need to be so angry.

So what you're saying is the "new normal" of ongoing masks, social distancing etc. Most, if not all hospitality will still be closed in 12 weeks.

namloc1980

namloc1980 wrote: »

This is it though. The "new normal" will include longer term masks and social distancing. It's not normal but people will inevitably accept after the year we've had.

According to Dr Mary Ramsay of Public Health England masks and social distancing are low level measures that people have got used to and can live with for years to come. I would say they are extremely high level restrictions. The fact that there's no level 0 in the plan suggests you're right.

Kunta Kinte

thebaz wrote: »

Outdoor football/hurling for children will keep our kids healthy - locking them up for a year, will just encourage more bad health beahiour , like I witnessed today with mass teenage drinking and smoking in the sun .

So you saw mass teenage drinking and smoking and yet at the same time they have been supposedly "locked up for a year." Which is it?

paddyisreal

MrMusician18 wrote: »

They'd be allowed to train if the population could be trusted to not mix surrounding things like this, but time and time again we've learned that people do not behave. They let their guard down and do as they please when they think no one is looking.

I have never been at any trianing session for kids where all the parents are mixing. Are you sure you are not mixing this up something else? An outdoor orgy or something?

Deleted User

Deleted User wrote: »

But it's masks everywhere apart from outdoors. When do you think they'll be scrapped for good?

Would you consider the heavily restricted level 1 normal?

Are you seriously suggesting that we just return to normality on 1 July, not knowing what effects variants might hold?

For God's sake, where is the seriousness here?

I'm an anti-Lockdown-ist by the way. I hate lockdown and hope it is removed as soon as possible.

But the idea that we immediately return to a pre-pandemic situation, as if the pandemic never existed and has no opportunity to re-emerge in some nasty form, is both delusional and almost ideologically driven to the point of naivety.

Kunta Kinte

Deleted User wrote: »

According to Dr Mary Ramsay of Public Health England masks and social distancing are low level measures that people have got used to and can live with for years to come. I would say they are extremely high level restrictions. The fact that there's no level 0 in the plan suggests you're right.

Mask wearing and social distancing will be the new normal indefinitely, possibly for good.

I see that PCR tests on arrival into Ireland will be needed. Was there any detail given on when they’d be taken (a few hours wait at the airport for a result) or whether you’d be locked up in the hotel if you failed?

That will stop essential as well as non essential travel to Ireland.....no one will risk 14 days detention.

titan18

Kunta Kinte wrote: »

Mask wearing and social distancing will be the new normal indefinitely, possibly for good.

Social distancing should never be considered normal.

Boggerman12

Kunta Kinte wrote: »

Mask wearing and social distancing will be the new normal indefinitely, possibly for good.

If some want to live with their faces covered forever work away but I for one will count the days to burning them.

Deleted User

Deleted User wrote: »

Are you seriously suggesting that we just return to normality on 1 July, not knowing what effects variants might hold?

For God's sake, where is the seriousness here?

I'm an anti-Lockdown-ist by the way. I hate lockdown and hope it is removed as soon as possible.

But the idea that we immediately return to a pre-pandemic situation, as if the pandemic never existed and has no opportunity to re-emerge in some nasty form, is both delusional and almost ideologically driven to the point of naivety.

Sorry, I thought you meant that you'd be willing to accept mask wearing as a permanent feature of the post-pandemic normal. I didn't realise you meant for a while.

And on the variants the media is obsessed with. Nothing to be concerned about according to Dr Bhattacharya of Stanford University: https://twitter.com/MartinKulldorff/status/1375200672182853632

Kunta Kinte

Kunta Kinte wrote: »

Mask wearing and social distancing will be the new normal indefinitely, possibly for good.

Nah

Sure ya couldn’t populate the planet anyways.

namloc1980

titan18 wrote: »

Social distancing should never be considered normal.

Or mask wearing but I'd be fairly sure masks will be with us through Winter 2021 and into Spring 2022 at least, of not longer.

Kunta Kinte

Kunta Kinte wrote: »

Mask wearing and social distancing will be the new normal indefinitely, possibly for good.

Utter nonsense, trying to wind people up.

Masks, in certain settings at certain times perhaps, like in SE Asia since SARS.

Boggerman12

Boggerman12 wrote: »

If some want to live with their faces covered forever work away but I for one will count the days to burning them.

Same here. It's gives me hope that there are countries such as Australia, in particular, and New Zealand, to a lesser extent, where they have been scrapped (although I don't think the snap lockdown approach in both is sustainable). Emigration will be considered by thousands, I'm sure.

MrMusician18

namloc1980 wrote: »

This is it though. The "new normal" will include longer term masks and social distancing. It's not normal but people will inevitably accept after the year we've had.

Masks could well be here for a long time, perhaps permanently in some form. In places like Tokyo and HK you would've witnessed mask wearing long post sars. In fact when I was there two years ago, you'd still see some wearing them on public transport.

Social distancing might stay too, but it will be an individual choice (as it always was)