Covid 19 Part XXXIV-249,437 ROI(4,906 deaths) 120,195 NI (2,145 deaths)(01/05)Read OP

MrMusician18

Kunta Kinte wrote: »

In your opinion. In any case it will be part of the new normal.

It will, but it won't be mandated. It will just be that a significant minority (and it will be a minority) will just decide to exclude themselves from situations where they could end up in large crowds. And they might not do it all the time - perhaps just choosing where it is possible, going to the quiet pub over the busy niteclub, picking the table at the end of the restaurant, getting the bus off-peak or keeping distance at the supermarket checkout.

Behavioural scientists say it takes three months for a new behaviour to become embedded, how long has this been going on?

martingriff

Deleted User wrote: »

I agree with you, but I fear 99% would consider it normal such is the level of brainwashing and normalising of them.

Companies want to make money they would never make money that way. They may have hand sanitizer at the door but not else. The only thing to come as a new normal is work may become more flexible on how people can work. People and companies will go back to there only thinking of themselves mentality

martingriff

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Fantastic to be under 300

RIP to those who've died

While I do not want to be a downer and lower numbers are great it the 7 or 14 days you should look at as daily number will fluctuate

martingriff

martingriff wrote: »

Companies want to make money they would never make money that way. They may have hand sanitizer at the door but not else. The only thing to come as a new normal is work may become more flexible on how people can work. People and companies will go back to there only thinking of themselves mentality

But if shops insisted on them people wouldn't stop going to shops. Likewise with restaurants. People would put up with wearing them until seated. I detest them, but I see no evidence to suggest people wouldn't put up with them.

Why makes you think they wouldn't make money that way?

TimeUp

Hi, does anybody have information on the amount of people that have been vaccinated with Astrazeneca and the total number of deaths reported after receiving it?

I've been trying to find this info but no matter how hard I try all I can find are articles explaining how safe it is and how nothing proves that deaths are linked to the vaccine. I find it mad, with the tones of data that we have on everything.

Widdensushi

martingriff wrote: »

While I do not want to be a downer and lower numbers are great it the 7 or 14 days you should look at as daily number will fluctuate

Surely not as relevant when many patients have been there for weeks, it's not like daily cases etc?

manofwisdom

TheDoctor wrote: »

Hospital numbers at 8pm

Total 290 (down from 313 last night)
ICU 65 (down from 70 last night - 4 deaths)

Last Tuesday
Total 325
ICU 76

We're under 300!!!

On February 22nd when it was decided nothing would be eased other than schools reopening

In hospital 726
In ICU 154

The current declining numbers in hospital has been a key metric towards the plan of easing restrictions from April.

Kunta Kinte

MrMusician18 wrote: »

It will, but it won't be mandated. It will just be that a significant minority (and it will be a minority) will just decide to exclude themselves from situations where they could end up in large crowds. And they might not do it all the time - perhaps just choosing where it is possible, going to the quiet pub over the busy niteclub, picking the table at the end of the restaurant, getting the bus off-peak or keeping distance at the supermarket checkout.

Behavioural scientists say it takes three months for a new behaviour to become embedded, how long has this been going on?

Social distancing has been advised since Feb 2020. Mask wearing in shops etc. was made mandatory in August as far as I remember although many of us had been wearing them anyway for long before then.

Goldengirl

Deleted User wrote: »

But if shops insisted on them people wouldn't stop going to shops. Likewise with restaurants. People would put up with wearing them until seated. I detest them, but I see no evidence to suggest people wouldn't put up with them.

Why makes you think they wouldn't make money that way?

You know there is mask thread....?

Goldengirl

Goldengirl wrote: »

You know there is mask thread....?

Just me or the other posters who mentioned them as well?

martingriff

Deleted User wrote: »

While I agree with you, what gives you grounds for such optimism? Most people have shown they'll do and put up with anything and everything.

It's like when people say 'there'll be uproar if they keep the country locked down until then'. But they never say where that uproar will come from. From the media? Nope. Political pressure? Nope. Ireland is unique in the world for having zero media or political opposition.

MONEY CAPITALISM

MrMusician18

Kunta Kinte wrote: »

Social distancing has been advised since Feb 2020. Mask wearing in shops etc. was made mandatory in August as far as I remember although many of us had been wearing them anyway for long before then.

My question was more of a rhetorical one. But yes, this has been going on long enough to elicit permanent changes in the behaviour of some individuals that will not revert. And this will be their choice.

martingriff

Deleted User wrote: »

But if shops insisted on them people wouldn't stop going to shops. Likewise with restaurants. People would put up with wearing them until seated. I detest them, but I see no evidence to suggest people wouldn't put up with them.

Why makes you think they wouldn't make money that way?

????

You were talking about social distancing

hotmail.com

hotmail.com wrote: »

NPHET has widespread public support, up to 90% approval ratings. The public want the restrictions to remain in place.

This is what the public wants.

According to the ESRI behavioural economist on newstalk this morning, that 90% has fallen to about 50:50 based on ESRI surveys

martingriff

Widdensushi wrote: »

Surely not as relevant when many patients have been there for weeks, it's not like daily cases etc?

Oh sorry thought it was daily cases then realized they were over 300. My mistake. Yes hospital numbers under 300 is great

Deleted User

Deleted User wrote: »

According to the ESRI behavioural economist on newstalk this morning, that 90% has fallen to about 50:50 based on ESRI surveys

That's a huge drop. That's why I'm always wary of polls. There were YouGov polls in the UK for months which showed extremely high levels of support for even harsher restrictions than a complete lockdown (how you get harsher than that, I'm not sure). And today there was a poll which showed that only something like 23% of people still think covid is a serious threat.

martingriff

martingriff wrote: »

????

You were talking about social distancing

Sorry, confused the two.

Deeper Blue

Kunta Kinte wrote: »

Mask wearing and social distancing will be the new normal indefinitely, possibly for good.

How could anyone think this on the same day we've been told that vaccinated people can meet indoors without masks?

Widdensushi

Deleted User wrote: »

Just me or the other posters who mentioned them as well?

I totally agree that we should be wearing masks, when they became mandatory though I didn't see any change in numbers, I am not talking about cases, I am talking about supermarket staff cases, they handle every item that a customer has, and a customer handles every item they have. Surely superspreaders, it hasn't been the case, from what I can see supermarket staff are less likely to have covid than the general public, this was the case premask and after mandatory mask wearing, the conclusion I take is that contact in a high ceiling, well ventilated for less than 10 minutes is low risk, handling products that someone infected is very low risk. Either way we will all be wearing masks for the foreseeable and I agree with it, just surprised at the lack of noticeable difference when it was introduced

Widdensushi

Deeper Blue wrote: »

How could anyone think this on the same day we've been told that vaccinated people can meet indoors without masks?

Because it will become the new normal here as it has for Asian countries due to other flu etc

Deeper Blue

Widdensushi wrote: »

Because it will become the new normal here as it has for Asian countries due to other flu etc

Social distancing is not normal in Asia

namloc1980

Deeper Blue wrote: »

How could anyone think this on the same day we've been told that vaccinated people can meet indoors without masks?

Limited to two and visiting in their own homes. Not sure many people wear masks in their own homes as it is anyway. Vaccinated people still have to wear masks out and about in shops etc.

Beechwoodspark

Germany and France have apparently suspended the AZ vaccine for under 60s.

[Deleted User]

[Deleted User] wrote: »

That's a huge drop. That's why I'm always wary of polls. There were YouGov polls in the UK for months which showed extremely high levels of support for even harsher restrictions than a complete lockdown (how you get harsher than that, I'm not sure). And today there was a poll which showed that only something like 23% of people still think covid is a serious threat.

Yeh, but this is the ESRI behavioural science unit, not a newspaper poll.

h2005

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Germany and France have apparently suspended the AZ vaccine for under 60s.

Does that mean it’s suspended entirely? I thought AZ was only to be used on under 65s?

Deeper Blue

People have lost their minds if they seriously believe social distancing will be a long term thing.

Deeper Blue

Deeper Blue wrote: »

People have lost their minds if they seriously believe social distancing will be a long term thing.

Dr Mary Ramsay of PHE thinks it could: https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-56475807

"Dr Ramsay said restrictions such as face coverings in crowded places and social distancing had become accepted by many and still allowed the economy to function.

She said "people have got used to those lower-level restrictions now, and people can live with them, and the economy can still go on with those less severe restrictions in place".

"So I think certainly for a few years, at least until other parts of the world are as well vaccinated as we are, and the numbers have come down everywhere, that is when we may be able to go very gradually back to a more normal situation," she added."

stephenjmcd

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Germany and France have apparently suspended the AZ vaccine for under 60s.

The French only brought it back after EMA approval for over 55s. Its been in use since & continues to be in use

Leftwaffe

I think you’ll see some elderly people with masks on yet for quite a while, also those ineligible for the vaccines, etc. Masks will be with us on a minor, minor scale for a few years yet I’d imagine. Tbf ive never been as well since this all began, touch wood. I put some of that down to masks.

Sanitising hands will be here to stay for the long haul I’d imagine, which is only a good thing.

Social distancing will be binned fairly sharpish I think. Once the critical mass is vaccinated people will go back to normal pretty rapidly in that sense. Again, this it depends on your age and vulnerability leve to the virus.

Klonker

What happens if by end April we have less than 200 cases a say, 150 in hospital and 40 in ICU from covid? Is there any scope for bringing the reopening forward do people think?

I think the lifting of restrictions in April are overly cautious but I'd have taken it if offered beforehand such was my expectations.

Its May onwards that is most frustrating to me. It sounds like restaurants won't open until July or intercounty travel. Every adult who wants a vaccine will probably have one by then? Why wait so long? The rest of Europe will have nightclubs opened and holidaying around Europe by then and we'll be grateful if they let us get a haircut!

Hopefully if numbers decrease heavily like I expect them too they might speed it up slightly.