Covid 19 Part XXXIV-249,437 ROI(4,906 deaths) 120,195 NI (2,145 deaths)(01/05)Read OP

stephenjmcd

gctest50 wrote: »

I suppose if someone dies it's counted as a reduction


Hospital numbers :

Total 255 (down from 272 last night - 17 deaths )



272 minus 17 = 255




from here :

https://covid19ireland-geohive.hub.arcgis.com/

Except you know well that the 17 deaths didn't all occur today, only that they were reported.

Of the deaths reported today, 11 occurred in March and 7 occurred in February

Your implying that the reduction of 17 today are all people that died. Its like putting 2+2 together and getting 5

Dickie10

deaths will dry up very soon too. but naturally people will still die of covid, but its all about numbers and risk.

Dutchboy352

Dickie10 wrote: »

deaths will dry up very soon too. but naturally people will still die of covid, but its all about numbers and risk.

So what amount of deaths do people feel is acceptable for us to open up? If we went zero covid we wouldn't have to have this conversation

Polar101

Not too sure how useful the quarantine is, if EU countries and the USA are off it. And apparently there's currently only 650 places in the quarantine "system" (more coming soon), which doesn't sound like nearly enough.

Maybe it will slow the spread of some new variants a bit.

gctest50

For all those leaving by the front door of the hospital there might be about a third of them back again:


"47 780 individuals (mean age 65, 55% men) in hospital with covid-19 and discharged alive by 31 August 2020, exactly matched to controls from a pool of about 50 million people in England for personal and clinical characteristics from 10 years of electronic health records.


Results : Over a mean follow-up of 140 days, nearly a third of individuals who were discharged from hospital after acute covid-19 were readmitted (14 060 of 47 780) and more than 1 in 10 (5875) died after discharge"

Dutchboy352

Dickie10 wrote: »

with antigen testing electric picnic may still go ahead

No it shouldn't what about new variants or what if there's unvaccinated people there? It's way to soon to be thinking of music shows or anything like that

Deeper Blue

Dutchboy352 wrote: »

No it shouldn't what about new variants or what if there's unvaccinated people there? It's way to soon to be thinking of music shows or anything like that

It's in September so we should be in a massively different place by then

Doesn't mean I actually think it'll go ahead though

marno21

Dutchboy352 wrote: »

No it shouldn't what about new variants or what if there's unvaccinated people there? It's way to soon to be thinking of music shows or anything like that

We can’t live in lockdown forever. There’s a new train of thought in the UK, led by the CMO that it’s time to accept that Covid will be an endemic disease and we need to live alongside it as we always did with flu. That means yearly infections and yearly deaths. They predict upto 25k per year. We can limit most of the damage with vaccines.

For anyone following viruses, a pandemic in our lifetimes was a dead certainty. We got away quite lightly in my opinion, IFR is less than 1%, and within a year we have 4 safe and efficacious vaccines approved. It could have been much much worse. Of course, some elements of Covid are unfortunate, very very transmissible and the presymptomatic transmission.

Music festivals are part of normality. Most people want them back. By the time EP comes along, Ireland will have received in excess of 8 million doses of vaccine. I fail to see any reason why we wouldn’t be back to normal then unless the future of Ireland is governance by medical doctors in which case you will see mass emigration.

Dutchboy352

Deeper Blue wrote: »

It's in September so we should be in a massively different place by then

Doesn't mean I actually think it'll go ahead though

What about new variants though? Until we know more I think the max we should be considering letting up is level 2-3 there's too many variables

purplefields

Polar101 wrote: »

Not too sure how useful the quarantine is, if EU countries and the USA are off it. And apparently there's currently only 650 places in the quarantine "system" (more coming soon), which doesn't sound like nearly enough.

Maybe it will slow the spread of some new variants a bit.

It's totally pointless.
Either have a quarantine system, or don't. None of this pretend quarantine where only people from Zambia, who didn't stop off in France first, actually have to quarantine.

Of course, any quarantine is over a year too late now. The virus came in from abroad.

The people of Ireland have done our part. We've all suffered. Unfortunately for us, the government hasn't played their part.

User1998

Dutchboy352 wrote: »

What about new variants though? Until we know more I think the max we should be considering letting up is level 2-3 there's too many variables

Variants are going to spread all over the world weather we are in level 1 or level 5. Its time to get the economy back open and get on with our lives and stop living in fear

purplefields

marno21 wrote: »

We can’t live in lockdown forever. There’s a new train of thought in the UK, led by the CMO that it’s time to accept that Covid will be an endemic disease and we need to live alongside it as we always did with flu. That means yearly infections and yearly deaths. They predict upto 25k per year. We can limit most of the damage with vaccines.

Consider that.

Always worrying when it'll be your turn, and if you'll get long covid, or even die.
If it goes on for years, then life expectancy goes down. You might be okay getting it in your 20s, but maybe not your 70s or 80s.

Then waiting for the next nasty new variant. Maybe something that kills young people (Spanish flu second wave?)

Remember the virus will mutate to survive vaccines, just like flu does. As more and more people get it, so will the mutations increase. We could end up with multiple new variants a year. How will vaccines keep up with that?

This virus will spread when the carrier is asymptomatic. So it is less like to evolve into something benign.

This is why governments across the globe are terrified of this. Why we have such stringent lockdowns.

Deeper Blue

Dutchboy352 wrote: »

What about new variants though? Until we know more I think the max we should be considering letting up is level 2-3 there's too many variables

Once a large portion of the population are vaccinated we need to move on, might as well stay in lockdown forever otherwise

purplefields

Deeper Blue wrote: »

Once a large portion of the population are vaccinated we need to move on, might as well stay in lockdown forever otherwise

If Israel cases start to increase, we're screwed.

cameramonkey

purplefields wrote: »

If Israel cases start to increase, we're screwed.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/active-covid-19-cases-drop-to-lowest-level-since-june-2020/

Deeper Blue

purplefields wrote: »

If Israel cases start to increase, we're screwed.

I don't think cases matter in Israel at this stage, hospitalisations and deaths are the ones to watch.

PTH2009

purplefields wrote: »

If Israel cases start to increase, we're screwed.

NPHET will still want lockdown for other reasons like getting the hospital waiting lists down for other diseases

If that happens I hope we all lose our ****

nocoverart

Funny how most posters with new accounts come across as miserable, scaremongering twats. Covid and its many “scariants” aren’t really the biggest concern now, bitter fooks who spread false information are.

Qrt

Personally I think forget EP. Focus on getting to daily normality, like being able to go for a meal, and getting students back on our college campuses. I can wait a while longer for live events, I just want to get back on campus.

Corholio

purplefields wrote: »

Remember the virus will mutate to survive vaccines, just like flu does. As more and more people get it, so will the mutations increase. We could end up with multiple new variants a year. How will vaccines keep up with that?

The same way the flu vaccine doees.

JP Liz V1

https://twitter.com/FergalBowers/status/1377639985558458371

emo72

purplefields wrote: »

Consider that.

Always worrying when it'll be your turn, and if you'll get long covid, or even die.
If it goes on for years, then life expectancy goes down. You might be okay getting it in your 20s, but maybe not your 70s or 80s.

Then waiting for the next nasty new variant. Maybe something that kills young people (Spanish flu second wave?)

Remember the virus will mutate to survive vaccines, just like flu does. As more and more people get it, so will the mutations increase. We could end up with multiple new variants a year. How will vaccines keep up with that?

This virus will spread when the carrier is asymptomatic. So it is less like to evolve into something benign.

This is why governments across the globe are terrified of this. Why we have such stringent lockdowns.

What a post.
What is the point in anything.
The virus is going to get us.
And destroy us.
We're all going to die, so let's lockdown forever
It's the best way to crush the virus
Is too hide in our caves forever.

shtpEdthePlum

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-europes-vaccine-rollout-unacceptably-slow-says-world-health-organisation-12262635

The WHO says the EU's vaccine rollout is "unacceptably slow".

Fair enough, but why not criticise China for giving a dud vaccine to Turkey??

https://www.aa.com.tr/en/latest-on-coronavirus-outbreak/turkey-reports-record-40-800-new-covid-19-cases/2195647

Also in Chile
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/3/31/as-covid-cases-spike-many-chileans-fear-toll-of-another-lockdown

Sinovac seems to not be working effectively at all.

Polar101

marno21 wrote: »

Music festivals are part of normality. Most people want them back. By the time EP comes along, Ireland will have received in excess of 8 million doses of vaccine.

5 months till Electric Picnic, sounds doable. Whether the organiser wants to take a chance and book performers is another thing, but sooner or later live events will be back.

Normal One

Polar101 wrote: »

5 months till Electric Picnic, sounds doable. Whether the organiser wants to take a chance and book performers is another thing, but sooner or later live events will be back.

It isn't going to happen. Festivals are a massive logistical operation, 99% of the work would need to be done already were it to go ahead.

prunudo

Dutchboy352 wrote: »

No it shouldn't what about new variants or what if there's unvaccinated people there? It's way to soon to be thinking of music shows or anything like that

If you really are a Dutch boy, you should look at how proactive your government are about getting back to normal with regards to concerts and mass gatherings from this summer on. They're also looking at allowing some audience members into the Eurovision song contest as a trial to guage effects from large gatherings.

What Username Guidelines

What Username Guidelines wrote: »

Spot on, I've found over the last year that the ones that are so quick to label people doom mongers for even wanting to discuss possibilities, are the ones that are basically sticking their fingers in their ears saying "lalalalalala". It's easy to just thinly veil it in "but think of the economy". When the reality is that it's incredibly complex issue that isn't just binary, and discussing long covid or agreeing with measures does not equal an opinion of "lock up forever."

Ahhhh but the good old early days in covid threads when the hard chaws used to say people who were not chilled out like them were probably masturbating with nettles or even barbed wire were fun though, weren' they? Innocent oul lyrical times

is_that_so

Deleted User wrote: »

Ahhhh but the good old early days in covid threads when the hard chaws used to say people who were not chilled out like them were probably masturbating with nettles or even barbed wire were fun though, weren' they? Innocent oul lyrical times

Did this ever really happen? By the sounds of this you were using mind enhancing substances!

Neamhshuntasach

Never mind different covid variants. What about a completely new virus?! We need to stay at least at level 4 just in case. Probably indefinitely.

is_that_so

is_that_so wrote: »

Did this ever really happen? By the sounds of this you were using mind enhancing substances!

1. Absolutely did, it was a recurring thing and 2. I wish I had the constitution for them!!