Relaxation of Restrictions, Part X *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

Sobit1964

Beanybabog wrote: »

Does anyone know if the easing of restrictions goes ahead in the next few weeks are we changing level? How can we have outdoor dining and shops and still be called level 5? Have the levels been mentioned at ally I haven’t heard this mentioned and everything I’ve read suggests we are still officially level 5 (passport for baby won’t be processed until out of level 5, otherwise I wouldn’t care).

Passports are getting processed at the normal speed in the rest of the EU/UK - Ireland seems unique in this silly measure - what exactly are passport staff doing for their money during this?

timmyntc

Sam Wheat90 wrote: »

Way off the mark there. Conspiracy theory rubbish.

You made a new account just to make that post? :pac:

Sam Wheat90

timmyntc wrote: »

You made a new account just to make that post? :pac:

So what?

FlubberJones

Deleted User wrote: »

Well he was still getting the blame for every decision over the past two months, so he may as well return so the irrational hatred is actually being directed at someone currently involved in decision making, and not at someone on leave mourning his wife.

Well its a cruel world we live in.... And this ongoing disaster has eroded people's sympathy for many things. Someone else's wife passing away has absolutely zero effect on me, and I still dislike him.

Graces7

ingo1984 wrote: »

No its not. There is zero evidence to suggest it is more dangerous or more transmissible. What is driving the India case numbers is people started ignoring distancing, masks etc and this was driven at governemnt level who were praising they were out of the woods and encouraged people to attend local elections, religious festivals etc. There were 130,000 crammed in for a cricket match for flip sake. Thousands attending religious ceremonies. Sure no wonder cases are on the rise.

My medically qualified extended family over there are to be believed in this; while some of what you say is true in the lack of wisdom, so is the fact of this being a more dangerous and more transmissible variant of the virus.


One aspect does not exclude the other!

google and find abundant medical evidence . None so blind of course!

Stheno

Graces7 wrote: »

My medically qualified extended family over there are to be believed in this; while some of what you say is true in the lack of wisdom, so is the fact of this being a more dangerous and more transmissible variant of the virus.


One aspect does not exclude the other!

google and find abundant medical evidence . None so blind of course!

so apart from hearsay, can you provide evidence to back up your claims?

Stormyteacup

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Well he was still getting the blame for every decision over the past two months, so he may as well return so the irrational hatred is actually being directed at someone currently involved in decision making, and not at someone on leave mourning his wife.

Well even if I disagree with NPHETs decisions of extreme caution, they were easier to digest coming from Nolan. I don’t consider my dislike of Holohan irrational.

Sam Wheat90

Stormyteacup wrote: »

Well even if I disagree with NPHETs decisions of extreme caution, they were easier to digest coming from Nolan. I don’t consider my dislike of Holohan irrational.

You should.

paddyisreal

thebaz wrote: »

Lots of good news the past week, and the Indo headlines with more fear inducing stuff about 'Double mutant'. - then goes on to say not sure if it is any more dangerous, and experts warn about not over-reacting and 'Not Freaking out' .
What irresposnible journalism, the Indo was a decent paper now like a red top, anything for a headline or a click.
Ther is already far too much anxiety in our society today.

https://www.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/2021-to-become-year-of-the-variant-as-double-mutantindian-strain-detected-in-ireland-40333050.html

And people say there is no hidden agenda with the media. Independent and rté have been a disgrace, that headline should of read "new variant in India but vaccine works" but as per usual its scaremongering alarmist bull**** out of them. The lockdown has been mana from heaven for the media industry and they have acted disgracefully promoting fear and angst at every turn.

paddyisreal

paddyisreal wrote: »

And people say there is no hidden agenda with the media. Independent and rté have been a disgrace, that headline should of read "new variant in India but vaccine works" but as per usual its scaremongering alarmist bull**** out of them. The lockdown has been mana from heaven for the media industry and they have acted disgracefully promoting fear and angst at every turn.

The hidden agenda with the media is to get as many people as possible to click their links, buy their newspapers of otherwise support their revenue stream in whatever way possible. If it bleeds it leads. And in spite of what the thread believe, most people understand this and expect the resolution of the majority of issues through Q2. This is the only place I hear "but the variants". The real world not inhabited by rabid naysayers who seek out something to be offended by at every opportunity.

Polar101

paddyisreal wrote: »

And people say there is no hidden agenda with the media.

The clickbait is there for all to see, so the 'agenda' isn't exactly hidden.:)

ypres5

FlubberJones wrote: »

Well its a cruel world we live in.... And this ongoing disaster has eroded people's sympathy for many things. Someone else's wife passing away has absolutely zero effect on me, and I still dislike him.

I don't care about holohans personal life and I mean that in the nicest way. If anything people have weaponized his personal circumstances to try and shame his critics into silence

ypres5

Graces7 wrote: »

My medically qualified extended family over there are to be believed in this; while some of what you say is true in the lack of wisdom, so is the fact of this being a more dangerous and more transmissible variant of the virus.


One aspect does not exclude the other!

google and find abundant medical evidence . None so blind of course!

To quote another recent poster on here. 'My uncle works at Nintendo and he says they're making the Nintendo PlayStation.'

dalyboy

Deleted User wrote: »

The hidden agenda with the media is to get as many people as possible to click their links, buy their newspapers of otherwise support their revenue stream in whatever way possible. If it bleeds it leads. And in spite of what the thread believe, most people understand this and expect the resolution of the majority of issues through Q2. This is the only place I hear "but the variants". The real world not inhabited by rabid naysayers who seek out something to be offended by at every opportunity.

I only take offence when these articles lead to hysteria from a fragile minded minority and then they demand that politicians instigate further restrictions on me , my family , society and businesses.

I believe my “offence” is then truly validated

Penfailed

Graces7 wrote: »

Thank you and I echo this. We have extended family out there and they are in strictest lockdown now. This as you rightly say is very serious for India and for the wider world.

I didn't, "rightly say (it) is very serious." All I said was that it's reporting news, not scaremongering. It may well actually be serious...but probably not.

normanoffside

In bad news for relaxation of restrictions Tony is back!

Real Donald Trump

normanoffside wrote: »

In bad news for relaxation of restrictions Tony is back!

Welcome back An Taoiseach

charlie14

ingo1984 wrote: »

No its not. There is zero evidence to suggest it is more dangerous or more transmissible. What is driving the India case numbers is people started ignoring distancing, masks etc and this was driven at governemnt level who were praising they were out of the woods and encouraged people to attend local elections, religious festivals etc. There were 130,000 crammed in for a cricket match for flip sake. Thousands attending religious ceremonies. Sure no wonder cases are on the rise.

Do you not think that perhaps all the media speculation a few weeks back when India`s number were low that they had reached the level of herd immunity may have added to that ?
Even when many of their own experts in the field were warning that there was no real evidence to support the speculation.


In fact is there not a parallel of the same woolly headed India immunity thinking from some here.
Pointing at our present low numbers and the U.K. as reasons we should open up immediately to the same level as the U.K. while ignoring what brought those numbers down and that the U.K. is only at the stage it is at because of their level of vaccinations

Tenzor07

normanoffside wrote: »

In bad news for relaxation of restrictions Tony is back!

Oh great, expect the "2km from home" limit to be reinstated

MHQ for ALL countries.

Schools to resume remote learning

Building sites to close.


Travel/Hospitality to restart in 2023....

The Big Easy

charlie14 wrote: »

Do you not think that perhaps all the media speculation a few weeks back when India`s number were low that they had reached the level of herd immunity may have added to that ?
Even when many of their own experts in the field were warning that there was no real evidence to support the speculation.


In fact is there not a parallel of the same woolly headed India immunity thinking from some here.
Pointing at our present low numbers and the U.K. as reasons we should open up immediately to the same level as the U.K. while ignoring what brought those numbers down and that the U.K. is only at the stage it is at because of their level of vaccinations

I'll tell you what's wooly. Anything comparing what's happening in India to here. In terms of age demographics, poverty rates, population density, health system, testing regime, climate, culture and so forth and so forth.

You may as well be discussing different planets.

But no, use India as a reason to stay in lockdown why don't you?!

People can choose self-imposed lockdown, that's a perfectly valid choice if it's something that doesn't appall you, or maybe even you feel more comfortable in it, you don't need the rest of society there with you to justify that choice however.

ingo1984

charlie14 wrote: »

Do you not think that perhaps all the media speculation a few weeks back when India`s number were low that they had reached the level of herd immunity may have added to that ?
Even when many of their own experts in the field were warning that there was no real evidence to support the speculation.


In fact is there not a parallel of the same woolly headed India immunity thinking from some here.
Pointing at our present low numbers and the U.K. as reasons we should open up immediately to the same level as the U.K. while ignoring what brought those numbers down and that the U.K. is only at the stage it is at because of their level of vaccinations

Oh it certainly did. I think the main cause was their leaders and politicians openly stating on both an Indian level and global level of the great job they did and how there were now out of the woods. This was a doubled edged sword as 1) it caused a sharp decrease in the numbers seeking vaccines as they figured I don't need a vaccine as the crisis is now over and 2) the crisis is now over so no need for distancing, restrictions, masks etc.

Good article on the BBC yesterday gives a good insight as to what happened.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-56771766

hynesie08

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Oh great, expect the "2km from home" limit to be reinstated

MHQ for ALL countries.

Schools to resume remote learning

Building sites to close.


Travel/Hospitality to restart in 2023....

Wanna put a bet on that?

Tenzor07

hynesie08 wrote: »

Wanna put a bet on that?

Well, I see Robert Watt has been appointed as the top mandarin for the Dept. of Health, maybe he will reign in old Holohan and try keep a lid on his public appearances...

PTH2009

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Oh great, expect the "2km from home" limit to be reinstated

MHQ for ALL countries.

Schools to resume remote learning

Building sites to close.


Travel/Hospitality to restart in 2023....

NPHET told to rip up there recommendations and start a new one

With this new Indian Variant we can't be going under level 4+

Sexual Chocolate

normanoffside wrote: »

In bad news for relaxation of restrictions Tony is back!

We're ****ed now

showpony1

Deleted User wrote: »

Talking about it in a level headed manner, such as evidenced by NPHET

when have NPHET ever said anything isn't a "concern" let alone an Indian Variant.

showpony1

showpony1 wrote: »

when have NPHET ever said anything isn't a "concern" let alone an Indian Variant.

I sometimes wonder do most people read anything beyond the first line of a post

Deputy chief medical officer Dr Ronan Glynn said the way the Indian variant has been described in various online reports would lead you to think the “world was coming to an end”, but the speculation was inflated and not related to the real-world experience so far.

Dr Cillian De Gascun of the National Virus Reference Laboratory said there was no real world evidence yet that this particular variant was more infectious or more deadly.

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PTH2009 wrote: »

NPHET told to rip up there recommendations and start a new one

With this new Indian Variant we can't be going under level 4+

Gov sources report we can't lose sight and must take it extra slow and be cautious as we monitor Indian variant in coming months #saveindians #notthenativeones

charlie14

The Big Easy wrote: »

I'll tell you what's wooly. Anything comparing what's happening in India to here. In terms of age demographics, poverty rates, population density, health system, testing regime, climate, culture and so forth and so forth.

You may as well be discussing different planets.

But no, use India as a reason to stay in lockdown why don't you?!

People can choose self-imposed lockdown, that's a perfectly valid choice if it's something that doesn't appall you, or maybe even you feel more comfortable in it, you don't need the rest of society there with you to justify that choice however.

The points I was making appears to have sailed over your head.
India imo is at the level it is now with new cases and deaths due to, at least partially, a belief that it had reached herd immunity.
Some here are pointing to our low numbers and comparing them to the U.K. as a reason we should now be opening up to the same level, while ignoring that the reason the U.K. is now able to do is not because of their low numbers. It is because of their level of vaccinations. A level we are not yet at.

To believe we can do the same as the U.K. at this point, is the same woolly headed thinking as India thinking they could drop/ignore measure to prevent the spread of the virus due to herd immunity.

showpony1

normanoffside wrote: »

In bad news for relaxation of restrictions Tony is back!

I could not believe he came back last time with his personal circumstances which were obviously only getting worse.

We must ensure someone with a clear head is at the helm here and there is no sudden Level 5 Lockdown made for summer.

No "Clouded" judgement about zero deaths being achievable with no cases etc.

Ireland being what it is - Tony will be back on RTE and all of the above will happen.

FintanMcluskey

Deleted User wrote: »

The hidden agenda with the media is to get as many people as possible to click their links, buy their newspapers of otherwise support their revenue stream in whatever way possible. If it bleeds it leads. And in spite of what the thread believe, most people understand this and expect the resolution of the majority of issues through Q2. This is the only place I hear "but the variants". The real world not inhabited by rabid naysayers who seek out something to be offended by at every opportunity.

The media in Ireland have been regularly advising listeners and readers to follow public health guidelines.

Can that be ignored too?

Or is it open to interpretation what part of what the media communicates is true/false?

charlie14

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

The media in Ireland have been regularly advising listeners and readers to follow public health guidelines.

Can that be ignored too?

Or is it open to interpretation what part of what the media communicates is true/false?

Sounds like you are a believer in throwing out the baby along with the bathwater Fintan.:rolleyes:

FintanMcluskey

charlie14 wrote: »

Sounds like you are a believer in throwing out the baby along with the bathwater Fintan.:rolleyes:

No that’s the current approach which I’m against Charlie

A myopic approach to public health and economy

showpony1

hynesie08 wrote: »

Wanna put a bet on that?

Betting will also be banned by Tony

charlie14

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

No that’s the current approach which I’m against Charlie

A myopic approach to public health and economy

Fair enough Fintan, but you should perhaps be mindfull that myopia is nearsightedness. It gives a deceptive vision of distant objects.

FintanMcluskey

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

The media in Ireland have been regularly advising listeners and readers to follow public health guidelines.

Can that be ignored too?

Or is it open to interpretation what part of what the media communicates is true/false?

Oh god, how devious of the media to advise people to follow public health advice.


Again - its clearly flagged what is public health advice and what is a report and what is opinion. Most people can see the difference. I do sometimes wonder however - far more people than I had thought possible dont actually read the data sources they use. What I often thought was misrepresentation is actually laziness combined with confirmation bias

KrustyUCC

normanoffside wrote: »

In bad news for relaxation of restrictions Tony is back!

Just what we need especially a week before the decisions on easing restrictions are due next week

The ultra conservation approach will now be extra ultra Conservative

Hospitality sector will be waiting even longer to open with Tony back

PTH2009

Dr Tony's views should be kept private and given to the government behind closed doors. No tweets undermining the government and hospitality is not safe etc

niallo27

I really do have a deep dislike for Tony H, it's the Tony show and he loves it.

Allinall

PTH2009 wrote: »

Dr Tony's views should be kept private and given to the government behind closed doors. No tweets undermining the government and hospitality is not safe etc

You will then have a whole bunch of people whinging about lack of transparency.

What's wrong with knowing his views?

hynesie08

PTH2009 wrote: »

Dr Tony's views should be kept private and given to the government behind closed doors. No tweets undermining the government and hospitality is not safe etc

So, in your opinion, should a task force set up by the government act in the shadows with no transparency? Or should a private citizen not be allowed have an opinion?

PTH2009

PTH2009 wrote: »

Dr Tony's views should be kept private and given to the government behind closed doors. No tweets undermining the government and hospitality is not safe etc

Just like trump wanted with Fauci eh!

PTH2009

Meant to say Dr Tony's/NPHETs views and recommendations on stuff like Hospitality should be kept private and only discussed with the Government

Tenzor07

hynesie08 wrote: »

So, in your opinion, should a task force set up by the government act in the shadows with no transparency? Or should a private citizen not be allowed have an opinion?

Surely the idea of an "Expert advisory" Committee is just that... to advise Government, not to be all over RTE and Twitter telling us all what's what?

Don't we pay Donnelly and the rest of them enough to let us know what's happening?

hynesie08

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Surely the idea of an "Expert advisory" Committee is just that... to advise Government, not to be all over RTE and Twitter telling us all what's what?

Don't we pay Donnelly and the rest of them enough to let us know what's happening?

I agree, the government pushing nphet out as the voice of restrictions was a masterclass in passing the buck, and members of nphet should have been more savvy than to get sucked into it, but all expert advisors/committees will publish their findings, it's the only way to ensure transparency.

hynesie08

PTH2009 wrote: »

Meant to say Dr Tony's/NPHETs views and recommendations on stuff like Hospitality should be kept private and only discussed with the Government

So how do we find out whether or not the government are acting in good faith on that advice? Blind trust?

PTH2009

hynesie08 wrote: »

So how do we find out whether or not the government are acting in good faith on that advice? Blind trust?

Sure like last Autumn we would see of members tweeting this and that because the government didn't take there advice

That certain member got a free pass for that

hynesie08

PTH2009 wrote: »

Sure like last Autumn we would see of members tweeting this and that because the government didn't take there advice

That certain member got a free pass for that

So again, you're saying private citizens shouldn't be allowed express an opinion.

72sheep

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Well, I see Robert Watt has been appointed as the top mandarin for the Dept. of Health, maybe he will reign in old Holohan and try keep a lid on his public appearances...

Robert defiantly declaring in today's IT: "An open TLAC (Top Level Appointments Committee) competition was held and I am pleased to be asked to take on this role on a permanent basis following the Government meeting today". Now guess which committee good ole Robert was a member of until recently - https://www.gov.ie/en/collection/baa380-top-level-appointments-committee-tlac/ Great little country...

[Of course, no mention of our public service should fail to include a link to An Bord Pleanála, https://www.pleanala.ie/en-IE/Meet-the-Board. It is simply unbelievable what ABP gets up to/away with.]

scamalert

hynesie08 wrote: »

So again, you're saying private citizens shouldn't be allowed express an opinion.

yes exactly.thank you