Relaxation of Restrictions, Part X *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

PintOfView

walus wrote: »

What pressure is he under? And more importantly who applies it?

I'd have thought that was pretty obvious?
Have you ever had a job where people's lives were shaped, or taken away, by your decisions?

Do you think he just treats it like a 9 to 5 job, and then goes home and looks at Coronation St?

The Big Easy

PintOfView wrote: »

Do you mind me asking how you know so much about what's going on in his head?

I don't know and I said I don't know, but I'm speculating like everyone else.

And sometimes you can make inferences from what actually happens in life.

That's what happens in science, which everyone on here are seemingly big fans of

MrMischief

Personally I've no issue with the CMO or his deputy (they come across as decent folk) - the issue I have is that the Taoiseach & co. are letting NPHET dictate the economy.

MrMischief

MrMischief wrote: »

Personally I've no issue with the CMO or his deputy (they come across as decent folk) - the issue I have is that the Taoiseach & co. are letting NPHET dictate the economy.

Reasonable opinion not based on emotion or hyperbole

PintOfView

The Big Easy wrote: »

I don't know and I said I don't know, but I'm speculating like everyone else.

And sometimes you can make inferences from what actually happens in life.

That's what happens in science, which everyone on here are seemingly big fans of

Yes, but come on, he's a real person, just like you or me, and doing a difficult job.

As regards science, yes, inferences happen in science,
but with a reasonable bit of data and evidence on the table,
and they're cross checked to make sure they make sense.

We can't really claim that what we're seeing here is rigorous science though!

The Big Easy

PintOfView wrote: »

Yes, but come on, he's a real person, just like you or me, and doing a difficult job.

As regards science, yes, inferences happen in science,
but with a reasonable bit of data and evidence on the table,
and they're cross checked to make sure they make sense.

We can't really claim that what we're seeing here is rigorous science though!

Oh I agree it's a difficult job and he's merely human like you and me, so subject to some of the same biases and desires, but in different combinations.

I don't think it's a coincidence if his return coincides with a much heralded exit from Level 5, a significant relaxation of restrictions and a big congratulations and well done to everyone involved.

I could be wrong but that's my theory.

FintanMcluskey

Glynn had his time but he is only a pretender

The boss is back and he’s better than ever

Level 5 in Ireland is here forever

Boggles

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Glynn had his time but he is only a pretender

The boss is back and he’s better than ever

Level 5 in Ireland is here forever

Rhyming ever with forever, pure genius.

FintanMcluskey

Boggles wrote: »

Rhyming ever with forever, pure genius.

I was nearly an hour composing that

Real Donald Trump

Allinall wrote: »

What does his salary have to do with it?

Degag wrote: »

Interested to know what qualifications you have to determine he is doing a bad job?

St Tony sure has a loyal following on here

walus

Degag wrote: »

I don't know. I am guessing being CMO of a country during a global pandemic, presumably working extremely long hours, 6-7 days a week for over a year, while his wife was dying, and then died while listening to vitriol from parasitic cretins on the internet...... may not be that easy..... ya know?

If it really has been that stressful why does he keep coming back for more?

TomSweeney

Corcaigh84 wrote: »

Not sure if already mentioned but my buddy who owns a golf course told me it's opening for members only on Monday coming.

Tennis is back also on Monday 26th right ?

Gael23

Holohans return is so disheartening after beginning to ease restrictions meaningfully

ypres5

Degag wrote: »

I don't know. I am guessing being CMO of a country during a global pandemic, presumably working extremely long hours, 6-7 days a week for over a year, while his wife was dying, and then died while listening to vitriol from parasitic cretins on the internet...... may not be that easy..... ya know?

Hope he reads this bro

ypres5

walus wrote: »

If it really has been that stressful why does he keep coming back for more?

He has 16,000 reasons every month to come back. Kinda clashes with the hagiography the spit on me tony crew are writing for him

walus

ypres5 wrote: »

He has 16,000 reasons every month to come back. Kinda clashes with the hagiography the spit on me tony crew are writing for him

He comes back because he enjoys the job. Stress is not a deterrent.

Christ this place is full of loons

MadYaker

walus wrote: »

He comes back because he enjoys the job. Stress is not a deterrent.

I doubt he has enjoyed the last year and a bit that much. Nobody has. But maybe he likes the job during normal times so he doesn’t want to quit. He is a few years off retirement age yet. Might also distract him from the fact that his wife is no longer around.

Necro

Deleted User wrote: »

Christ this place is full of loons

You don't need to post here so. Threadbanned

hynesie08

I heard Tony holohan is behind the super league.....

Dickie10

is it really true Tony is back? sshhit thats the good times over so....

Degag

walus wrote: »

If it really has been that stressful why does he keep coming back for more?

If that's your attitude then why does anyone do anything?

Some jobs are difficult and someone has to do them.

Degag

Real Donald Trump wrote: »

St Tony sure has a loyal following on here

I just choose to look at things with an open mind and not through blinkers.

bear1

So next week they will be announcing what will open in May.
Leo speculates non essential and all construction can restart if nphet agree basically.
This should be good.

PTH2009

bear1 wrote: »

So next week they will be announcing what will open in May.
Leo speculates non essential and all construction can restart if nphet agree basically.
This should be good.

NPHET getting the final say in everything

Penfailed

The Big Easy wrote: »

I don't think the return of Tony definitely means what everyone thinks it does.

While he wanted to be the one making the big decision by putting us in perpetual lockdown, he'll also want to be the one releasing us.

I've long thought that we won't come out of level 5 until he returns and can take the credit himself.

I don't know if the man is a narcissist or an egomaniac, but if his return does coincide with a significant relaxation of restrictions, it would certainly point to it.

Jesus. This place - Tony's back, we'll stay in Level 5 now, just wait and see. Also this place - Tony's back, we'll come out of Level 5 now so that he can take credit. FFS.

FintanMcluskey

It’s hard to know if we’re coming or going with Tony back

Sobit1964

Penfailed wrote: »

Jesus. This place - Tony's back, we'll stay in Level 5 now, just wait and see. Also this place - Tony's back, we'll come out of Level 5 now so that he can take credit. FFS.

Yeah its highly unusual on a forum to have posters with differing opinions. Suggest you try something like twitter. :rolleyes:

hynesie08

PTH2009 wrote: »

NPHET getting the final say in everything

Not really though.

Penfailed

Sobit1964 wrote: »

Yeah its highly unusual on a forum to have posters with differing opinions. Suggest you try something like twitter. :rolleyes:

The point is, both versions are from people that appear to have an irrational dislike of a fella who's just doing his job...so, same opinion, different outcome. Twitter is great BTW.

Idbatterim

As a relatively young, very healthy person, please give me one reason I should take this rushed, very questionable vaccine. Because I can think of way more reasons that I shouldn't take it...

But the government blackmail attempts are a problem travel passports etc

Penfailed

Idbatterim wrote: »

As a relatively young, very healthy person, please give me one reason I should take this rushed, very questionable vaccine. Because I can think of way more reasons that I shouldn't take it...

But the government blackmail attempts are a problem travel passports etc

I'm sure there's a vaccine thread for that kind of question.

Degag

Idbatterim wrote: »

As a relatively young, very healthy person, please give me one reason I should take this rushed, very questionable vaccine. Because I can think of way more reasons that I shouldn't take it...

But the government blackmail attempts are a problem travel passports etc

Because it may help you not transmit the virus to someone other than yourself who may be very vulnerable to it.

FintanMcluskey

Degag wrote: »

Because it may help you not transmit the virus to someone other than yourself who may be very vulnerable to it.

What vulnerable can’t take the vaccine themselves?

I’ve not heard yet of anyone not actually taking the vaccine due to underlying conditions

walus

Idbatterim wrote: »

As a relatively young, very healthy person, please give me one reason I should take this rushed, very questionable vaccine. Because I can think of way more reasons that I shouldn't take it...

But the government blackmail attempts are a problem travel passports etc

If you feel coerced into doing something, you probably are. Don’t do it if you are not afraid to be ostracised. Short term it may be painful, but you will learn that it is really long term that matters.

Sobit1964

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

What vulnerable can’t take the vaccine themselves?

I’ve not heard yet of anyone not actually taking the vaccine due to underlying conditions

When you hear about pregnant women and people in palliative care taking their jabs, I get a sense of wtf - but hey their choice. Am I supposed to now worry about the people who are both vulnerable AND anti-vax?

I'm a bit past caring for every overweight loudmouthed boomer in existence, is there a line somewhere?

Degag

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

What vulnerable can’t take the vaccine themselves?

I’ve not heard yet of anyone not actually taking the vaccine due to underlying conditions

I believe there are some people who can't take the vaccine for some medical reason.

In any case it is up to each individual whether he or she takes the vaccine or not. The overwhelming consensus is that they should however.

I think that not taking it because of a worry about it being "questionable" is questionable in it's own right however as i think the risk of any significant side effects are extremely low.

Each to their own but people taking vaccines are our way out of this thing.

Jim_Hodge

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

What vulnerable can’t take the vaccine themselves?

I’ve not heard yet of anyone not actually taking the vaccine due to underlying conditions

True. I read and heard people with ME and autoimmune issues say they can't take the vaccine but all the medical opinion is that patients with autoimmune diseases are far safer getting the Covid vaccine than not.

I know a couple of people who have convinced themselves that they can't take the vaccine without ever discussing it with their doctors. It's not that they don't want to but they are genuinely convinced they can't.

Idbatterim

Doctors getting e78 for each jab....

Ha Long Bay

Idbatterim wrote: »

Doctors getting e78 for each jab....

Why post fake news?



"Vaccination centres
Under the new deal, GPs and pharmacists will be paid €25 for administering each dose of the vaccine in their surgeries or in centres in their localities. An additional single €10 processing fee will be paid per patient. For a two-dose vaccine, such as that being produced by AstraZeneca, the total paid will be €60.

If a single-dose vaccine is subsequently approved, the total paid to GPs will be €35.


https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/nearly-500-000-people-over-70-to-receive-covid-vaccine-from-their-gp-1.4462427

Sharpyshoot

Allinall wrote: »

What point are you trying to make?

The realisation that the point you are making makes no sense.

Klonker

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/easing-covid-restrictions-ministers-want-as-wide-a-reopening-as-possible-in-may-1.4542964?mode=amp

Possibly another conflict between Government and NPHET on the cards. Be interesting to see how this plays out.

_Kaiser_

Klonker wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/easing-covid-restrictions-ministers-want-as-wide-a-reopening-as-possible-in-may-1.4542964?mode=amp

Possibly another conflict between Government and NPHET on the cards. Be interesting to see how this plays out.

Whatever happens, there's a few things that are essential...

- Cases will rise. This needs to be accepted as part of the reopening rather than NPHET immediately demanding lockdown again a few weeks later

- As things reopen, they will STAY open, and with as little restrictions as possible. We can't keep messing with people's jobs and the viability of businesses by imposing shutdowns or conditions that will add costs and discourage customers

- Inter-county travel needs to be restored urgently for all. The nonsense that the GAA can travel but not the average punter is ridiculous

... without the above it'll be the same farce we saw last year.

OwenM

hynesie08 wrote: »

Not really though.

Really. Micheal Martin is the most indecisive vacillating person to ever get elected in the history of Irish politics.

Boggles

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

- Inter-county travel needs to be restored urgently for all. The nonsense that the GAA can travel but not the average punter is ridiculous

Travel where?

facehugger99

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Whatever happens, there's a few things that are essential...

- Cases will rise. This needs to be accepted as part of the reopening rather than NPHET immediately demanding lockdown again a few weeks later

- As things reopen, they will STAY open, and with as little restrictions as possible. We can't keep messing with people's jobs and the viability of businesses by imposing shutdowns or conditions that will add costs and discourage customers

- Inter-county travel needs to be restored urgently for all. The nonsense that the GAA can travel but not the average punter is ridiculous

... without the above it'll be the same farce we saw last year.

I think we all know the drill at this stage.

Reopening happens and cases rise.

The media - who are financially incentivized to hype up the hysteria - will hype up the hysteria.

NPHET will release statements about how "deeply concerning" the situation is

Karen on Facebook will demand action.

The politicians will decide that borrowing and spending an extra few billion quid is totally worth it if they can't be called 'granny-killers'.

Everything gets shut again.

The Big Easy

Penfailed wrote: »

Jesus. This place - Tony's back, we'll stay in Level 5 now, just wait and see. Also this place - Tony's back, we'll come out of Level 5 now so that he can take credit. FFS.

It's almost like it's composed of all sorts of different people with all sorts of different opinions :eek:

You might want to see "this place" as an amorphous blob, but it's just people expressing an opinion on an opinion board. One media driven narrative might be easier to understand and swallow, but that's not the truth of people or democracy or opinion.

It's layered and complex and not everyone thinks one thing or the other, so that you can be faux-outraged on the internet.

zebastein

France will announce the reopening of outdoor dining/drinking for mid-May. Though they are the most impacted European country at the moment, they plan for the future, because they are confident that the vaccination will put them in a much better position in a month time.

Ireland which had one of the lowest positivity rates for a month and a half now is still not able to plan anything. We need to wait 2/4/6 more weeks, these weeks are crucial, there are subjects of concern, ....

suicide_circus

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

- Cases will rise. This needs to be accepted as part of the reopening rather than NPHET immediately demanding lockdown again a few weeks later

This will require tackling what i heard referred to as the "gross sentimentalism" which has gripped many over the last year. In the midst of life we are in death. The passing of someone elderly, while sad for the family is not a "tragedy".

The Big Easy

Penfailed wrote: »

The point is, both versions are from people that appear to have an irrational dislike of a fella who's just doing his job...so, same opinion, different outcome. Twitter is great BTW.

I don't have an irrational dislike of Tony Holohan. I have doubts about his competency and his suitability for his role considering his track record in the job.

I struggle to have respect for people in high-position and authority who do not respect the general citizenry in return deigning to condescendingly explain what's expected of them.

Late Late appearances and daily press conferences that present public health advice as a defacto rule of law, usurping the popular legitimacy entrusted in our elected officials to govern on our behalf is worrying and wrong.