Relaxation of Restrictions, Part X *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

hynesie08

PTH2009 wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2021/0421/1211175-hard-for-euros-to-go-ahead-in-dublin-tanaiste/

Obviously it was expected but it is outrages we're losing these games because of how cowardly our government are. Why can other places go ahead and host games are some capacity

Reckon it would open up a can of worms as other sporting organisations will want people attending and then concert promoters etc

How great would it be if we decided yeah we'll host the games are 25% capacity thus starting the road to recovery of events in this country but Tony/NPHET find it too risky and demand the government say no

Is Tony responsible for bilbao and Munich as well? Wanna blame him on you burning your toast this morning?

Doctor Jimbob

PTH2009 wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2021/0421/1211175-hard-for-euros-to-go-ahead-in-dublin-tanaiste/

Obviously it was expected but it is outrages we're losing these games because of how cowardly our government are. Why can other places go ahead and host games are some capacity

Reckon it would open up a can of worms as other sporting organisations will want people attending and then concert promoters etc

How great would it be if we decided yeah we'll host the games are 25% capacity thus starting the road to recovery of events in this country but Tony/NPHET find it too risky and demand the government say no

25% capacity at an outdoor event is too risky?

I was optimistic about our reopening picking up speed over the next month or so given some of the reports lately but it's hard to see that happening with this level of caution.

average_runner

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

25% capacity at an outdoor event is too risky?

I was optimistic about our reopening picking up speed over the next month or so given some of the reports lately but it's hard to see that happening with this level of caution.

It will pick up speed, but crowds at sport events will be end of August i say

hynesie08

emo72 wrote: »

I know. They were essential. But the fact that people weren't really going to shopping centers, wouldn't that have an effect on passing trade.

Their model was no longer viable, unless bought outright, phones are loss leaders to tie you into contract, carphone warehouse lost your return custom as soon as you walked out the door. It's always a sad day when people lose their jobs, but you can't blame covid on this one.

emo72

What kites was leo flying this morning? I heard there was good optimism. But didn't see an interview. Of course Tony gets wheeled out right on cue to smash down any optimism.

plodder

I think June is just a tad too soon for 25% occupancy of football stadia. Here is what we have to look forward to later in the Summer though (if not actual beach bars yet :pac:)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/israel-coronavirus-vaccine-herd-immunity/2021/04/20/e4e1199c-a118-11eb-b314-2e993bd83e31_story.html

JERUSALEM — Israel is partying like it's 2019. With most adults now vaccinated against the coronavirus and restrictions falling away — including the lifting this week of outdoor mask requirements — Israelis are joyously resuming routines that were disrupted more than a year ago and providing a glimpse of what the future could hold for other countries.

Restaurants are booming outside and in. Concerts, bars and hotels are open to those who can flash their vaccine certificates. Classrooms are back to pre-covid capacity

average_runner

plodder wrote: »

I think June is just a tad too soon for 25% occupancy of football stadia. Here is what we have to look forward to later in the Summer though (if not actual beach bars yet :pac:)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/israel-coronavirus-vaccine-herd-immunity/2021/04/20/e4e1199c-a118-11eb-b314-2e993bd83e31_story.html

Israel is a very high tech country and invested all of its services in it.
They are great for looking after their own, not so great with their neighbours

ypres5

hynesie08 wrote: »

Is Tony responsible for bilbao and Munich as well? Wanna blame him on you burning your toast this morning?

To be fair we spent weeks with feck all cases last year and the lines about us not being where we need to be were being regurgitated endlessly. Holohan is certainly risk adverse to the point of insanity

newuser99999

newuser99999 wrote: »

Because it’s obviously breaking the guidelines? You’re not meant to travel outside of your county. Why do the GAA get to bend the rules?

Guidelines are there to be broken and that travel guideline deserves to be broken. The most ridiculous one that was ever brought in

Penfailed

facehugger99 wrote: »

I think we all know the drill at this stage.

Reopening happens and cases rise.

The media - who are financially incentivized to hype up the hysteria - will hype up the hysteria.

NPHET will release statements about how "deeply concerning" the situation is

Karen on Facebook will demand action.

The politicians will decide that borrowing and spending an extra few billion quid is totally worth it if they can't be called 'granny-killers'.

Everything gets shut again.

If they reopen gradually, they'll not be shutting down again (unless, possibly in October/November depending on the success or otherwise of the vaccine rollout).

Fandymo

Boggles wrote: »

Sorry it's common knowledge where all inter county GAA players live?

You are assuming again me thinks.

Tut Tut.

Would it be fair to say that the majority of GAA players who make up the 30+ panels would live in the county? I imagine (assumption) a portion of these travel for work purposes to different counties, if we really want to throw outrage nuggets on the fire.

And wouldn't it be fair to say that you would want to be a special sort of contrarian to be outraged over young people and kids being allowed train outdoors even if a portion of them have to cross county lines to do so?

Quite a large number of non-Dublin inter county players play for Dublin clubs as they live and work here. And inter-county players are adults.

Penfailed

The Big Easy wrote: »

It's almost like it's composed of all sorts of different people with all sorts of different opinions :eek:

You might want to see "this place" as an amorphous blob, but it's just people expressing an opinion on an opinion board. One media driven narrative might be easier to understand and swallow, but that's not the truth of people or democracy or opinion.

It's layered and complex and not everyone thinks one thing or the other, so that you can be faux-outraged on the internet.

When, in the main, the opinion is all the same Re: Tony Holohan being the enemy, then, yes, it is an amorphous blob. No 'outrage' faux or otherwise from me.

Fandymo

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Why single out GAA players?

Plenty of league of Ireland players doing the same

One very talented player was on Nationwide during the week

Now playing with a Dublin club and travels from Cork several times a week

LOI has been designated as an elite sport, GAA has not.

Fandymo

average_runner wrote: »

Inter County GAA was allowed to train from the 19th, so players can travel across counties now.

Also from last week, you were allowed to travel within 20k of another county if you were close to it

You were allowed travel 20km from your home, into another county, if you lived near a county border.

Penfailed

The Big Easy wrote: »

I don't have an irrational dislike of Tony Holohan. I have doubts about his competency and his suitability for his role considering his track record in the job.

I struggle to have respect for people in high-position and authority who do not respect the general citizenry in return deigning to condescendingly explain what's expected of them.

Late Late appearances and daily press conferences that present public health advice as a defacto rule of law, usurping the popular legitimacy entrusted in our elected officials to govern on our behalf is worrying and wrong.

Blame the government, not Holohan. Your ire is directed at the wrong person.

Boggles

Fandymo wrote: »

LOI has been designated as an elite sport, GAA has not.

Indeed, and that is why inter county games are still restricted but inter county training is not since Monday.

Again how this is upsetting people is quite bizarre.

SAMTALK

ypres5 wrote: »

To be fair we spent weeks with feck all cases last year and the lines about us not being where we need to be were being regurgitated endlessly. Holohan is certainly risk adverse to the point of insanity

You are not taking vaccines into account, which werent an issue last year

dominatinMC

facehugger99 wrote: »

I think we all know the drill at this stage.

Reopening happens and cases rise.

The media - who are financially incentivized to hype up the hysteria - will hype up the hysteria.

NPHET will release statements about how "deeply concerning" the situation is

Karen on Facebook will demand action.

The politicians will decide that borrowing and spending an extra few billion quid is totally worth it if they can't be called 'granny-killers'.

Everything gets shut again.

But what if granny, who is protected by the gold-standard Pfizer vaccine, doesn't die? What justification will we be left with..

SAMTALK

facehugger99 wrote: »

I think we all know the drill at this stage.

Reopening happens and cases rise.

The media - who are financially incentivized to hype up the hysteria - will hype up the hysteria.

NPHET will release statements about how "deeply concerning" the situation is

Karen on Facebook will demand action.

The politicians will decide that borrowing and spending an extra few billion quid is totally worth it if they can't be called 'granny-killers'.

Everything gets shut again.

Maybe inject something positive into your list.


Vaccines

Penfailed

newuser99999 wrote: »

Because it’s obviously breaking the guidelines? You’re not meant to travel outside of your county. Why do the GAA get to bend the rules?

The GAA aren't bending the rules.

normanoffside

NIAC don't seem to be in any hurry to get the vaccination programme rolling.

Sure we'll meet tomorrow to discuss yesterday's EMA ruling. It's clear the length of lockdown has no affect on them or their jobs.


https://twitter.com/FergalBowers/status/1384832765489778691

PTH2009

normanoffside wrote: »

NIAC don't seem to be in any hurry to get the vaccination programme rolling.

Sure we'll meet tomorrow to discuss yesterday's EMA ruling. It's clear the length of lockdown has no affect on them or their jobs.


https://twitter.com/FergalBowers/status/1384832765489778691

This is the attitude that's holding us back

Meeting should be ASAP as the vaccine rollout is so important but nah typical ' ah sure look and we'll be grand"

Doctor Jimbob

normanoffside wrote: »

NIAC don't seem to be in any hurry to get the vaccination programme rolling.

Sure we'll meet tomorrow to discuss yesterday's EMA ruling. It's clear the length of lockdown has no affect on them or their jobs.


https://twitter.com/FergalBowers/status/1384832765489778691

I assume/hope they meet remotely. What exactly is the need to wait all about? Send a zoom invite and meet within the hour. It's urgent.

Russman

PTH2009 wrote: »

This is the attitude that's holding us back

Meeting should be ASAP as the vaccine rollout is so important but nah typical ' ah sure look and we'll be grand"

Maybe the meeting is asap.......

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/johnson-johnson-to-resume-deliveries-of-covid-19-vaccine-to-eu-1.4542574

Addressing an Oireachtas committee after the EMA announcement, Niac chairwoman Prof Karina Butler said it was awaiting further data from the European agency which may impact decisions on restricting access to specific age groups for some vaccines, and from the UK on dose intervals.

charlie14

Russman wrote: »

Maybe the meeting is asap.......

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/johnson-johnson-to-resume-deliveries-of-covid-19-vaccine-to-eu-1.4542574

Addressing an Oireachtas committee after the EMA announcement, Niac chairwoman Prof Karina Butler said it was awaiting further data from the European agency which may impact decisions on restricting access to specific age groups for some vaccines, and from the UK on dose intervals.

I would imagine those will not be the only points up for discussion. AstraZeneca`s vaccine is a two dose vaccine and they have shown themselves to be a shower of cowboys when it comes to promised quantities and delivery dates.

normanoffside

Russman wrote: »

Maybe the meeting is asap.......

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/johnson-johnson-to-resume-deliveries-of-covid-19-vaccine-to-eu-1.4542574

Addressing an Oireachtas committee after the EMA announcement, Niac chairwoman Prof Karina Butler said it was awaiting further data from the European agency which may impact decisions on restricting access to specific age groups for some vaccines, and from the UK on dose intervals.

They already have some J&J in storage.
They should have met already and have some plans outlined pending the data.

The Big Easy

Penfailed wrote: »

Blame the government, not Holohan. Your ire is directed at the wrong person.

It's not ire and I take up any recourse available to me to make my feelings known to Government and those we elect.

I have no recourse to address Nphet yet they seem to have multiple available to address me, an imbalance surely?

hynesie08

Russman wrote: »

Maybe the meeting is asap.......

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/johnson-johnson-to-resume-deliveries-of-covid-19-vaccine-to-eu-1.4542574

Addressing an Oireachtas committee after the EMA announcement, Niac chairwoman Prof Karina Butler said it was awaiting further data from the European agency which may impact decisions on restricting access to specific age groups for some vaccines, and from the UK on dose intervals.

No! It's not possible that they are waiting for the published information before making an informed decision, they hate us, it's the only logical answer.

PTH2009

Sure remember when the AZ was stopped a few weeks ago then quickly allowed to resume. Our lads starting pissing about and we had a longer delay

Sobit1964

https://academic.oup.com/cesifo/advance-article/doi/10.1093/cesifo/ifab003/6199605

Peer reviewed - study across the EU revealing that lockdowns did not influence mortality. Can we now start to assess the fecking costs associated with this gormless policy?

I explore the association between the severity of lockdown policies in the first half of 2020 and mortality rates. Using two indices from the Blavatnik Centre’s COVID-19 policy measures and comparing weekly mortality rates from 24 European countries in the first halves of 2017–2020, addressing policy endogeneity in two different ways, and taking timing into account, I find no clear association between lockdown policies and mortality development.

hynesie08

PTH2009 wrote: »

Sure remember when the AZ was stopped a few weeks ago then quickly allowed to resume. Our lads starting pissing about and we had a longer delay

Is pissing about the scientific term?

Deleted User

Deleted User wrote: »

The fcuk is wrong with people indeed. The fcuk is wrong with half a million citizens denied a livelihood over past year by strict recommendations. The fcuk is wrong with the abandoned hospitality sector, trivialised and mocked by flippant statements like "Covid loves alcohol". The fcuk is wrong with those struggling with mental health issues. The fcuk is wrong with reopening the economy and plugging the spiralling national debt, before we plunge headlong into another deep recession.

A beyond wearied and exasperated public have had enough of the fcuking Tony show.

Yeah, a load of words there but nothing in relation to what I posted just a populist drivel. How is him recommending restrictions as per his job description "the Tony show"? How have people got this notion that he's a narcissist who's damaging the country just so he can see stories about himself and his dead wife in the paper every day? It is vile and nasty and you and others like you should be ashamed.

Parachutes wrote: »

Jesus Christ... how much RTE do you listen to? I think its melted your brain.

Very little, as it matters. Reeling in the years is about the height of it. You must be a fairly avid listener yourself, though, if you're able to recognise it as similar to what they're saying.

Hellrazer wrote: »

He deserves the criticism he gets.

"Wah wah wah....this man get's paid more than I do so I'm allowed to cast aspersions on his motives and assassinate his character"

RGS

hynesie08 wrote: »

No! It's not possible that they are waiting for the published information before making an informed decision, they hate us, it's the only logical answer.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40271477.html


Norway must have received a different memo than NIAC.


Norway to resume J&J on Wednesday, I presume that means today.


The problem Ireland has is how can NIAC make a different recommendation on J&J than they did on AZ, as both cause similar clots.
Will they revisit the AZ decision?

francogarbanzo

"Follow the science!"

Sobit1964 wrote: »

https://academic.oup.com/cesifo/advance-article/doi/10.1093/cesifo/ifab003/6199605

Peer reviewed - study across the EU revealing that lockdowns did not influence mortality. Can we now start to assess the fecking costs associated with this gormless policy?

"NOOOO not like that!!"

Idbatterim

I know several people in the last few days, declining the vaccine. I wont be a hypocrite here and then take this bull****, potentially dangerous vaccine! Why are the young and youngish being vaccinated ? They face virtually no risk. Could spend the millions saving more lives with suicide prevention etc

bear1

Since when is going abroad illegal?

https://www.thejournal.ie/ireland-international-travel-5416194-Apr2021/

Stheno

bear1 wrote: »

Since when is going abroad illegal?

https://www.thejournal.ie/ireland-international-travel-5416194-Apr2021/

Since January I think, when they brought in the 2k fine if you were found to be at the airport travelling for non essential purposes

Charles Babbage

Sobit1964 wrote: »

https://academic.oup.com/cesifo/advance-article/doi/10.1093/cesifo/ifab003/6199605

Peer reviewed - study across the EU revealing that lockdowns did not influence mortality. Can we now start to assess the fecking costs associated with this gormless policy?

This is not surprising. Countries tailored their lockdowns to the severity of the disease, if the disease didn't get going they didn't have a very severe lockdown. However, it isn't the case that the lack of disease was caused by the lack of lockdown, rather that the lack of lockdown was caused by the disease not being too bad.

The costs should not be compared with the deaths that occurred but with the deaths that did not occur, but then you already know that.

Sobit1964

bear1 wrote: »

Since when is going abroad illegal?

https://www.thejournal.ie/ireland-international-travel-5416194-Apr2021/

Its not illegal, you just have to provide a reason other than going on holiday. Most of the ones for travelling more than 5km worked just fine.

This is another case of government gobsheets pushing bad information in the hopes of scaring people into following a non-law. For the most part its worked just fine.

Boggles

RGS wrote: »

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40271477.html


Norway must have received a different memo than NIAC.


Norway to resume J&J on Wednesday, I presume that means today.


The problem Ireland has is how can NIAC make a different recommendation on J&J than they did on AZ, as both cause similar clots.
Will they revisit the AZ decision?

The more pertinent question based on your premise is how can Norway justify still pausing the AZ whilst rolling out the J&J?

Sobit1964

Charles Babbage wrote: »

This is not surprising. Countries tailored their lockdowns to the severity of the disease, if the disease didn't get going they didn't have a very severe lockdown. However, it isn't the case that the lack of disease was caused by the lack of lockdown, rather that the lack of lockdown was caused by the disease not being too bad.

The costs should not be compared with the deaths that occurred but with the deaths that did not occur, but then you already know that.

Sweden is curious why you didn't actually read the study.

Charles Babbage

Idbatterim wrote: »

I know several people in the last few days, declining the vaccine. I wont be a hypocrite here and then take this bull****, potentially dangerous vaccine! Why are the young and youngish being vaccinated ? They face virtually no risk. Could spend the millions saving more lives with suicide prevention etc

The young are being vaccinated so that they do not spread a potentially fatal disease to other people. It is perfectly reasonable to expect people to not threaten other people with death unnecessarily.



Suicide has not increased during the pandemic



https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/health-family/suicides-have-not-increased-during-pandemic-figures-indicate-1.4492985


https://www.bbc.com/news/health-56818876

Sobit1964

Charles Babbage wrote: »

The young are being vaccinated so that they do not spread a potentially fatal disease to other people. It is perfectly reasonable to expect people to not threaten other people with death unnecessarily.



Suicide has not increased during the pandemic



https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/health-family/suicides-have-not-increased-during-pandemic-figures-indicate-1.4492985


https://www.bbc.com/news/health-56818876

Jeez you are melodramatic. Threatening people with death.

Might you have the stats on other forms of mental health problems?

Boggles

Idbatterim wrote: »

I know several people in the last few days, declining the vaccine. I wont be a hypocrite here and then take this bull****, potentially dangerous vaccine!

You have said it several times now, they are not mandatory, you don't have to take it.

Graham

Sobit1964 wrote: »

Might you have the stats on other forms of mental health problems?

**scrambles for new problems to find now the previous claim has been debunked**

Sobit1964

Graham wrote: »

**scrambles for new problems to find now the previous claim has been debunked**

*As of the current statistics available. Did I do that right?

The question however remains, do you?

niallo27

Graham wrote: »

**scrambles for new problems to find now the previous claim has been debunked**

I had to laugh at this one, you of all people accusing people looking for new problems, did make laugh in fairness.

Degag

Two main reasons for younger people getting vaccinated:

Stops (or at least reduces) the virus being passed on

This virus is not just survive or die. There are many symtoms in between. Such as losing sense of smell or taste. Lethargy for an extended period of time.

I don’t want any side affect or symptom. Either from the virus OR the vaccine. But its fairly clear that the vaccine is the way to go to get us all out of this.

Gael23

I think the North’s timetable for reopening will outweigh any influence Holohans might have. The government will not be forgiven for allowing trade to go across the border while thousands languish on PUP

Hellrazer

Gael23 wrote: »

I think the North’s timetable for reopening will outweigh any influence Holohans might have. The government will not be forgiven for allowing trade to go across the border while thousands languish on PUP

While that all sounds well and good this lot have proven that they dont always do the right thing once they have dug their heels in and made a decision - MHQ has shown us that they are afraid to back down from bad decisions.

Id hazard a guess that they couldnt give a sh1t who travels over the border to buy goods or services and that could be their undoing or even bring down the coalition.