Relaxation of Restrictions, Part X *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

gozunda

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Astounding the way Holohan hasn't permitted the restart of Sport and physical activity, can't even have a round of solo Golf, can't go for a group cycle or run, can't travel to somewhere less crowded for a Hike in the mountains or a cycle along the Waterford greenway if you live in Dublin...gyms closed even with restricted numbers and hygiene measures that would match an operating theater...

Eh?

Maybe you missed the news too?

From next Monday, April 26. (Thats just five days away btw) Outdoor sports facilities can reopen (e.g. pitches, golf courses and tennis courts, other facilities as appropriate). Activities should take place between a maximum of two households.

Outdoor visitor attractions can reopen (i.e. zoos, open pet farms, heritage sites. Including take-away services.

You can also go to any less crowded location within your country plus 20 km whether that's a beach, a mountain or forest for a hike. And if you live in Waterford you can go for cycle on the greenway if you live there. Ditto the canal trackways in Dublin etc etc etc

Gyms remain an outlier due to known issues of increased risks as a indoor location. That said- nothing stopping you doing workouts outside or at home.

Boggles

Tenzor07 wrote: »

gyms closed even with restricted numbers and hygiene measures that would match an operating theater...

Some lad in spandex power lifting himself into a hernia?

Pandiculation

I wonder if they could open gyms in areas like fairly unused office multi-story carparks. LOADS of ventilation due to open sides, but they'd be dry enough to have equipment and they're usually well lit.

There must be buildings around, both private and public, with big empty spaces like that.

If people would just agree to not shower on site and go home. Yeah it's a bit smelly, but it's not that bad. You'd do an outdoor workout and go home, so why not an outdoor gym?

I'm sure some enterprising individual could also look at maybe placing gym equipment under some kind of roof structures, but fully outdoors with no sides.

The weather's not THAT bad at the moment - it's just its usual showery self.

zebastein

gozunda wrote: »

What in the name of dog is with the non stop Doom and Gloom or that Ireland is the Worstest country ever?

Have you been living on the moon perhaps? Ireland not planning anything wtf? Take a read.

https://www.dublinlive.ie/news/dublin-news/lockdown-restrictions-ireland-dublin-news-20428340

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40266422.html

We already have schools opened. We've already rolled back the stay at home /exercise locally restrictions etc with more rollback of restrictions to follow. We know this.

Atm France is having a ****show with rapidly rising case numbers And up to this they've had no roadmap at all.

Their current restrictions were extended countrywide on the 3rd of April and include a 10km restriction for any travel from a persons home except for essential reasons

A curfew for all areas of metropolitan France. Where again you can only leave your home for the specific reasons

All schools are closed etc etc

So even as they make a huhaw about easing restrictions at some point in the future - the French Government are in reality desperately backpeddling and offering that restrictions will start to be rolled back in 2-6 weeks in an effort to keep people from saying "Zoot Alors!" - and going of a bit of old rioting as the French are fairly famous for tbf.

This is what is being promised with caveats in France atm



https://www.rfi.fr/en/france/20210415-macron-to-announce-roadmap-to-reopening-france-from-mid-may-covid-19-bars-restaurants-theatres

So yeah no doubt Ireland is definitely the worstest ever ...

Maybe France did not have a Roadmap in March because they had everything open as usual.



Speaking about the current restrictions in France in 2021:

- A total of 4 weeks national "lockdown". As you said they have a perimeter of 10km, but what you don't mention is that barbers/book shops... are open. To be compared to 4 months of strict lockdown in Ireland


- Shops have been fully open 3months + 1 month in click and collect. What about Ireland?



- Schools have been closed 1 week in total (they just extended the easter holidays of one week). Care for small children never closed.



The thing that you call a ****show does not translate in an increase of death. They have been stable over the last 4months, slightly decreasing.


Back to my point: I am not saying Ireland is the worst ever, but definitely the most cautious. Maybe you are happy that we ""already"" have the schools opened after months without school, and the right to go 20km instead of 5km. No shop, no personal services, no sport, no museum, no library.



But my opinion (and I am still allowed to have one) is that the country has been stable over the last 1-2months in terms of cases, and there is very little being reopened. There is close to nothing interesting in April for the majority of people. GAA, horse races and Zoos opened, how many jobs will be back in April ? 1% ? Not even a click and collect to save the retail economy.



I reiterate my message: we are 10days before May and they are not going to announce what restrictions will be eased before thursday or Friday next week, so that is basically announcing it 4days in advance. Maybe I am living on the moon but on my moon if you cannot tell what happen in 10days you cannot really say you have a plan.


Now if you happy that it takes 2months to move from level 5 to level 4 by easing one restriction every week good for you.

FintanMcluskey

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Do vaccines protect one from poor lifestyle choices?

Have actually heard of slimming jabs that people take to get thin. It’s a first world problem though obesity, in tandem with Netflix, takeaway and junk food. Lockdowns won’t have helped either. Filters down to kids too not exercising enough instead stuck on a screen, bad for their body, their eyes etc possibly munching away on junk as well. Bad habits being set up for life.

Penfailed

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Astounding the way Holohan hasn't permitted the restart of Sport and physical activity, can't even have a round of solo Golf, can't go for a group cycle or run, can't travel to somewhere less crowded for a Hike in the mountains or a cycle along the Waterford greenway if you live in Dublin...gyms closed even with restricted numbers and hygiene measures that would match an operating theater...

Substitute 'the government' for 'Holohan' and you might have a point.

Degag

OwenM wrote: »

Nonsense, apart from some very rare conditions, it is a choice.

So, what i said yeah?

The Big Easy

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Astounding the way Holohan hasn't permitted the restart of Sport and physical activity, can't even have a round of solo Golf, can't go for a group cycle or run, can't travel to somewhere less crowded for a Hike in the mountains or a cycle along the Waterford greenway if you live in Dublin...gyms closed even with restricted numbers and hygiene measures that would match an operating theater...

Obviously the new sport is winding up anyone who might want to return to some semblance of normality!

Unfortunately it's unlikely to be any good for mind, body or spirit!

Tenzor07

Pandiculation wrote: »

I wonder if they could open gyms in areas like fairly unused office multi-story carparks. LOADS of ventilation due to open sides, but they'd be dry enough to have equipment and they're usually well lit.
There must be buildings around, both private and public, with big empty spaces like that.
If people would just agree to not shower on site and go home. Yeah it's a bit smelly, but it's not that bad. You'd do an outdoor workout and go home, so why not an outdoor gym?.

Most gyms these days are all in massive warehouse style industrial units that were previously used by businesses, and don't have showers either, they are well ventilated and it's easy to maintain 2m distance, very little risk as those attending are in the lower risk age groups...

not all gyms have fancy showers and changing rooms...

Tenzor07

Penfailed wrote: »

Substitute 'the government' for 'Holohan' and you might have a point.

You can see where people get the idea that Holohan is the Marionettist in Govt. policy for the last year... and when they try create their own policies such as MHQ it blows up in their faces..

hynesie08

Tenzor07 wrote: »

You can see where people get the idea that Holohan is the Marionettist in Govt. policy for the last year... and when they try create their own policies such as MHQ it blows up in their faces..

Even though he wasn't working for half of it?

PTH2009

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0421/1211217-covid-restrictions/

Sounds like not much will change for the summer months compared to last summer :(:mad:

Tenzor07

hynesie08 wrote: »

Even though he wasn't working for half of it?

How many people still lucky enough to have a job need the Boss there all the time in order to keep working according to what's been laid out by said Boss?

MrMiyagi12345

Long time lurker. Im in my mid 30s, my friends and I have been ignoring these abhorrent restricions for a long time now. Currently planning a weekend in an Airbnb somewhere for the bank holiday weekend. Should be about 10 of us. Plenty available thankfully. Drove from one side of the country to the other last weekend for a 2 night break with friends. Not a guard on the road. I would imagine they're done with this **** show too.

The only way to deal with these stupid rules is ignore them as best you can. Above all don't listen or watch RTE. I and most others I know have been getting on with our lives as best we can and plan on doing so. The "sky is falling in" types can continue on locking themselves away but I'm done.

Vicxas

PTH2009 wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0421/1211217-covid-restrictions/

Sounds like not much will change for the summer months compared to last summer :(:mad:

Where did you get that from that article?

questionmark?

TomTomTim wrote: »

I honestly don't know how they manage it? Where do they even get the time? I just about hit my 2,500 everyday.

You need to try harder.

PTH2009

Vicxas wrote: »

Where did you get that from that article?

Here

'Elsewhere, at the launch of the 'Be Summer Ready' campaign, Minister for Foreign Affairs Simon Coveney said that while restrictions may impact where people can go and what they can do, there are still some standard safety precautions that people should not forget.

Mr Coveney said people can look with more confidence in relation to the removal of restrictions, and in time can reconsider international travel restrictions.

He said he is asking people to stay within their own counties, even though people are frustrated with the measures.

People are "not too far away" from better times, he said, adding that the months of June, July, August and September will be months of loosening restrictions and people feeling more confident that they can meet outside and holiday.

He said the Government will give advice throughout summer months, and that the message for now is no non-essential international travel, and people should not holiday away from home.

This may change over the coming months, he said, as they work towards a green passport that would confirm if a person has been fully vaccinated.

He said that system should be in place by the start of June, adding that there will be potential for international travel "over the coming months".

Not sounding over confident of major stuff like festivals/matches/concerts etc happening esp when the numbers naturally rise going into Autumn

Graham

PTH2009 wrote: »

Not sounding over confident of major stuff like festivals/matches/concerts etc happening esp when the numbers naturally rise going into Autumn

Did you miss the news of a vaccination program, it's been out for a while now.

gozunda

zebastein wrote: »

Maybe France did not have a Roadmap in March because they had everything open as usual....

Is that so? You missed this then?

In a televised address on 31 March, Macron announced the country could re-open  "with strict rules" from mid-May – including bars, restaurants and cultural venues –that have been closed since 30 October of last year

Or this?

From Saturday 3 April, restrictive measures already in force in some parts of France are extended to the whole of the country.

https://www.gouvernement.fr/en/coronavirus-covid-19

Or that under the current lockdown there - much like us - only Shopping for essential supplies, for professional supplies, to collect orders or deliveries, or moving house is permitted?

But yeah France is in a ****show atm.

This is why. Rates of infection have not been brought under control.




As for the rest of it. Where we are in not a freking competition with a n other random countries. Some countries can progress faster as vaccination rates rise. Others won't for a range of reasons.

Tying your balloon to what at best are hopeful promises by the French Government as some type "oh look at us - we're ****e / too cautious" is simply bollocs.

Just one thing- our current travel restrictions is not "20km" btw

People here can now travel within their county or 20km from home from 12 April

Afaik the 20km add on is for those living close or near county borders.

The next set of restrictions are being rolled back next Monday. Let's get there first before engaging in further what ifs....

if you(r) happy that it takes 2months to move from level 5 to level 4 by easing one restriction every week good for you

I'm "happy" that we're keeping the rate of infection low whilst we roll out the vaccination programme. I'm "happy" to see restrictions being reduced as that programme moves forward. That said I don't need someone to tell me what just might happen when we all know that such dates can be little more than provisional at this stage in the vaccine programme.

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Bit cynical

Graham wrote: »

Did you miss the news of a vaccination program, it's been out for a while now.

I think he's talking about festivals this summer/early autumn 2021. Obviously there will eventually be festivals and the like.

hynesie08

Bit cynical wrote: »

I think he's talking about festivals this summer/early autumn 2021. Obviously there will eventually be festivals and the like.

He specifically said "not much will change" and then posted an article detailing all the things that will change and instead focused on one thing that's clearly not happening (uk festivals are being cancelled daily but he can't blame that on Tony holohan so it doesn't count)

hynesie08

PTH2009 wrote: »

Here

Mr Coveney said people can look with more confidence in relation to the removal of restrictions, and in time can reconsider international travel restrictions.

Not much changing......

finalfurlong

PTH2009 wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0421/1211217-covid-restrictions/

Sounds like not much will change for the summer months compared to last summer :(:mad:

Think tomorrows figures of cases is being set up nicely for feeding into scaling down any talk of real changes next week.There were 542 positive swabs today-still 2.8% positivity but on way above average test figure of over 19000 results but case figure was 401.Expect to see them in tomorrows doom fest from nphet which is a precursor to week.The u turn from varadker is beyond a joke.In 24 hours he went from highlighting the falling hospital numbers and ICu to today mysteriously only mentioning the "levelling or slightly rising"case figures as "something from last couple of days that would make you pause".This is groundhog day and with Tony on way back ,expect to see 5/6 days of this spin in papers to kick things down road yet again.These goalposts never get a chance to settle.

charlie14

finalfurlong wrote: »

Think tomorrows figures of cases is being set up nicely for feeding into scaling down any talk of real changes next week.There were 542 positive swabs today-still 2.8% positivity but on way above average test figure of over 19000 results but case figure was 401.Expect to see them in tomorrows doom fest from nphet which is a precursor to week.The u turn from varadker is beyond a joke.In 24 hours he went from highlighting the falling hospital numbers and ICu to today mysteriously only mentioning the "levelling or slightly rising"case figures as "something from last couple of days that would make you pause".This is groundhog day and with Tony on way back ,expect to see 5/6 days of this spin in papers to kick things down road yet again.These goalposts never get a chance to settle.

Other than using case numbers when looking at easing restrictions. what would you suggest Tossing a coin ?

lawred2

lawred2 wrote: »

It's about time the causes of obesity was tackled head on like every other destructive personal behavior

Yet obesity gets danced around for fear of hurting people's feelings...

Very true and yet in the last year we’ve only heard about one thing. No focus on getting people fitter, eating healthy, 5 a day etc. Not sure about dancing around people’s feelings because lots do go to gym or join slimming clubs, so there is an awareness or at least there was an awareness around it.

finalfurlong

charlie14 wrote: »

Other than using case numbers when looking at easing restrictions. what would you suggest Tossing a coin ?

Coin would need to be multi headed to include hospitalisation numbers ,ICU numbers ,R Rate,society damage,economic damage,current and future state of country and its population,effectiveness or otherwise of current restrictions to deal with priority areas(which have been continuously chopped and changed to suit narrative).Work that coin out when it lands

Tenzor07

charlie14 wrote: »

Other than using case numbers when looking at easing restrictions. what would you suggest Tossing a coin ?

You're right, they should use Case numbers as the key to easing restrictions, places like Mayo, Sligo and Leitrim with no covid cases should reopen fully..
Along with all the other counties with less than 5 cases per day....

Shelga

MrMiyagi12345 wrote: »

Long time lurker. Im in my mid 30s, my friends and I have been ignoring these abhorrent restricions for a long time now. Currently planning a weekend in an Airbnb somewhere for the bank holiday weekend. Should be about 10 of us. Plenty available thankfully. Drove from one side of the country to the other last weekend for a 2 night break with friends. Not a guard on the road. I would imagine they're done with this **** show too.

The only way to deal with these stupid rules is ignore them as best you can. Above all don't listen or watch RTE. I and most others I know have been getting on with our lives as best we can and plan on doing so. The "sky is falling in" types can continue on locking themselves away but I'm done.

Personally I'm somewhere in between "level 5 forever with no plan" and "I'm going to go share a house with 10 friends because I don't give a s*** about other people and I've had enough"- but you do you.

charlie14

finalfurlong wrote: »

Coin would need to be multi headed to include hospitalisation numbers ,ICU numbers ,R Rate,society damage,economic damage,current and future state of country and its population,effectiveness or otherwise of current restrictions to deal with priority areas(which have been continuously chopped and changed to suit narrative).Work that coin out when it lands

So now there is much more to be considered other than just case numbers.
Not the impression your original post gave.

charlie14

Tenzor07 wrote: »

You're right, they should use Case numbers as the key to easing restrictions, places like Mayo, Sligo and Leitrim with no covid cases should reopen fully..
Along with all the other counties with less than 5 cases per day....

True, and now he is not doing much we could get Donald Trump to oversee the building of those counties border walls.

Tenzor07

charlie14 wrote: »

True, and now he is not doing much we could get Donald Trump to oversee the building of those counties border walls.

Why should people in Sligo town have to wait until Dublin has Covid under control before they can go to a "non-essential" retail store or out for a pint?

Garda checkpoints can be put in place to stop day trippers or bookings not taken for addresses outside the fully opened counties, show I.D at the pub/restaurant...

No need for such dramatic measures as border walls..

hynesie08

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Why should people in Sligo town have to wait until Dublin has Covid under control before they can go to a "non-essential" retail store or out for a pint?

Garda checkpoints can be put in place to stop day trippers or bookings not taken for addresses outside the fully opened counties, show I.D at the pub/restaurant...

No need for such dramatic measures as border walls..

So now you're against freedom of movement within the country?

charlie14

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Why should people in Sligo town have to wait until Dublin has Covid under control before they can go to a "non-essential" retail store or out for a pint?

Garda checkpoints can be put in place to stop day trippers or bookings not taken for addresses outside the fully opened counties, show I.D at the pub/restaurant...

No need for such dramatic measures as border walls..

So we have people on here boasting about going beyond the restriction limits. Even one recently telling us he has booked a B&B with 10 friends, and you believe that somehow you can open up pubs, restaurants and non-essential retail stores in individual counties based solely on I.D.

You sure you have thought this plan through ?

PTH2009

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Why should people in Sligo town have to wait until Dublin has Covid under control before they can go to a "non-essential" retail store or out for a pint?

Garda checkpoints can be put in place to stop day trippers or bookings not taken for addresses outside the fully opened counties, show I.D at the pub/restaurant...

No need for such dramatic measures as border walls..

Thats sounds logical but there will be ways around it for sure

'Ah here i'm staying with me bud from Sligo town' etc

MadYaker

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Why should people in Sligo town have to wait until Dublin has Covid under control before they can go to a "non-essential" retail store or out for a pint?

Garda checkpoints can be put in place to stop day trippers or bookings not taken for addresses outside the fully opened counties, show I.D at the pub/restaurant...

No need for such dramatic measures as border walls..

Garda checkpoints on every single road in and out of county Sligo 24/7? I don’t think it’s workable. We don’t have police and army to do localised restrictions properly. Until enough people are vaccinated significantly rolling back restrictions will only lead to further lockdowns, and potentially more variants that are harder to control. At this point anyway the fastest way out of the pandemic is to keep most of restrictions in place and vaccinate as fast as possible.

Tenzor07

charlie14 wrote: »

So we have people on here boasting about going beyond the restriction limits. Even one recently telling us he has booked a B&B with 10 friends, and you believe that somehow you can open up pubs, restaurants and non-essential retail stores in individual counties based solely on I.D.
You sure you have thought this plan through ?

Boasting about something on an anonymous internet forum is one thing, but breaking restrictions by getting through Garda checkpoints is another...

It's time to open up Zero covid counties, create "low infection zones" open towns, villages, population centres with no covid and let the locals enjoy a pint and getting back to work..

You were going on about using Covid cases to determine restrictions and when I backed up that point you're asking me if I'd thought this through??

gozunda

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Boasting about something on an anonymous internet forum is one thing, but breaking restrictions by getting through Garda checkpoints is another...

It's time to open up Zero covid counties, create "low infection zones" open towns, villages, population centres with no covid and let the locals enjoy a pint and getting back to work..

You were going on about using Covid cases to determine restrictions and when I backed up that point you're asking me if I'd thought this through??

Or as suggested - we can keep on with vaccinations and keep the infection rate as low as possible and that will include everyone having to take up the slack for the likes of our friend above and his 10 friends or at least those like them.

hynesie08

PTH2009 wrote: »

Thats sounds logical but there will be ways around it for sure

'Ah here i'm staying with me bud from Sligo town' etc

If it was the other way round you'd be the first one crying and trying to blame Tony holohan....

charlie14

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Boasting about something on an anonymous internet forum is one thing, but breaking restrictions by getting through Garda checkpoints is another...

It's time to open up Zero covid counties, create "low infection zones" open towns, villages, population centres with no covid and let the locals enjoy a pint and getting back to work..

You were going on about using Covid cases to determine restrictions and when I backed up that point you're asking me if I'd thought this through??

Everyone knows it is not just boasting. The reason it didn`t have a more adverse effect on case numbers is because there was nowhere open.
Have you any idea how many Garda it would take to patrol even the county roads between one county and those that border it. Multiple that by the number of counties you are proposing this plan for and on that basis alone it is a non-runner.

Open up towns villages and population centres just for local simply based on I.Ds. What could possibly go wrong :rolleyes:

Your plan has nothing to do with using case numbers to determine restrictions.
It`s a plan to encourage people to break restrictions.

Tenzor07

charlie14 wrote: »

Everyone knows it is not just boasting. The reason it didn`t have a more adverse effect on case numbers is because there was nowhere open.
Have you any idea how many Garda it would take to patrol even the county roads between one county and those that border it. Multiple that by the number of counties you are proposing this plan for and on that basis alone it is a non-runner.
Open up towns villages and population centres just for local simply based on I.Ds. What could possibly go wrong :rolleyes:
Your plan has nothing to do with using case numbers to determine restrictions.
It`s a plan to encourage people to break restrictions.

Grand so, you've just proved that you don't believe in data determining restrictions. If you feel it encourages people to break restrictions and risk their no covid zones being put back in line with level 5 then you vastly underestimate how smaller communities would act after their areas have been fully reopened.

Cork, Leitrim, Kilkenny and Kerry have been consistently outperforming other counties in keeping cases low, so they should be allowed to open now instead of waiting for places like Dublin to get the cases low...
Don't need Gardai behind every bush.. trust the parishes, the villages and the town's residents to protect what they have achieved while they wait for the rest of Ireland to catch up.

charlie14

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Grand so, you've just proved that you don't believe in data determining restrictions. If you feel it encourages people to break restrictions and risk their no covid zones being put back in line with level 5 then you vastly underestimate how smaller communities would act after their areas have been fully reopened.

Cork, Leitrim, Kilkenny and Kerry have been consistently outperforming other counties in keeping cases low, so they should be allowed to open now instead of waiting for places like Dublin to get the cases low...
Don't need Gardai behind every bush.. trust the parishes, the villages and the town's residents to protect what they have achieved while they wait for the rest of Ireland to catch up.

It`s nonsense. What you are proposing is nothing to do with how smaller communities would act. It`s how others outside those communities would act.

What would your plan be for a county that has low numbers overall but has pockets that has higher numbers. Fence them off from the rest of the county.

hynesie08

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Grand so, you've just proved that you don't believe in data determining restrictions. If you feel it encourages people to break restrictions and risk their no covid zones being put back in line with level 5 then you vastly underestimate how smaller communities would act after their areas have been fully reopened.

Cork, Leitrim, Kilkenny and Kerry have been consistently outperforming other counties in keeping cases low, so they should be allowed to open now instead of waiting for places like Dublin to get the cases low...
Don't need Gardai behind every bush.. trust the parishes, the villages and the town's residents to protect what they have achieved while they wait for the rest of Ireland to catch up.

So you'd have no issues with them applying the same logic up north??

Tenzor07

charlie14 wrote: »

It`s nonsense. What you are proposing is nothing to do with how smaller communities would act. It`s how others outside those communities would act.What would your plan be for a county that has low numbers overall but has pockets that has higher numbers. Fence them off from the rest of the county.

"It's nonsense" to you, however regional restrictions have worked all over the world, local lockdowns in places like Australia have meant that residents are getting haircuts, drinking pints and going to football matches...Same thing here, let people from smaller covid low/free zones go to Church, play parish GAA games..

If there are any nearby pockets of higher cases then introduce full contact tracing, this is something which is already in place, but on a regional basis it can be very successful and will be much more effective at keeping numbers low than sledge hammer lockdowns...

Like I've mentioned, create "Green zones" or zones of low infection, smaller countries tend to have populations centered around towns and small villages where zero or 5 or 10 cases have been recorded over a period of time, months in many cases...If you're familiar with small towns you'll know the sense of community that exists there, everyone knows everyone else pretty much, hardly going to risk their fully open status for a bunch of people driving up from Dublin who rock up at the local small pub looking for pints and a room at the local B&B are they?

Del Griffith

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Like I've mentioned, create "Green zones" or zones of low infection, smaller countries tend to have populations centered around towns and small villages where zero or 5 or 10 cases have been recorded over a period of time, months in many cases...If you're familiar with small towns you'll know the sense of community that exists there, everyone knows everyone else pretty much, hardly going to risk their fully open status for a bunch of people driving up from Dublin who rock up at the local small pub looking for pints and a room at the local B&B are they?

Fantasy land.

Any 2 horse bog town opens its pub doors now and it'll be like spring break in Miami this Saturday night.

"Regulars only" ? Good luck there

Jinglejangle69

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Jonathan seems to find it incredible that someone in Government can have a different opinion than the herd.

That right there is the problem with the media (and politics) in this country.

Excellent point.

moonage

Idbatterim wrote: »

I know several people in the last few days, declining the vaccine. I wont be a hypocrite here and then take this bull****, potentially dangerous vaccine! Why are the young and youngish being vaccinated ? They face virtually no risk. Could spend the millions saving more lives with suicide prevention etc

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Random numbers with no source to back them up - you know what forum that belongs in don't you? Not this one

suicide_circus

MrMiyagi12345 wrote: »

Long time lurker. Im in my mid 30s, my friends and I have been ignoring these abhorrent restricions for a long time now. Currently planning a weekend in an Airbnb somewhere for the bank holiday weekend. Should be about 10 of us. Plenty available thankfully. Drove from one side of the country to the other last weekend for a 2 night break with friends. Not a guard on the road. I would imagine they're done with this **** show too.

The only way to deal with these stupid rules is ignore them as best you can. Above all don't listen or watch RTE. I and most others I know have been getting on with our lives as best we can and plan on doing so. The "sky is falling in" types can continue on locking themselves away but I'm done.

My freind group is the same age group as yourselves. A couple of us have been ignoring restrictions for months now but the rest of the lads were obeying restrictions. Last week this ended. We had a knees up and it was blissful. The guys who has been observing restrictions simply were no longer convinced. They lost faith in the mantra and the motivations. We never had a split or falling out. We all respected eachothers stance on the matter. But it's over now.

charlie14

Tenzor07 wrote: »

"It's nonsense" to you, however regional restrictions have worked all over the world, local lockdowns in places like Australia have meant that residents are getting haircuts, drinking pints and going to football matches...Same thing here, let people from smaller covid low/free zones go to Church, play parish GAA games..

If there are any nearby pockets of higher cases then introduce full contact tracing, this is something which is already in place, but on a regional basis it can be very successful and will be much more effective at keeping numbers low than sledge hammer lockdowns...

Like I've mentioned, create "Green zones" or zones of low infection, smaller countries tend to have populations centered around towns and small villages where zero or 5 or 10 cases have been recorded over a period of time, months in many cases...If you're familiar with small towns you'll know the sense of community that exists there, everyone knows everyone else pretty much, hardly going to risk their fully open status for a bunch of people driving up from Dublin who rock up at the local small pub looking for pints and a room at the local B&B are they?

I`m very familiar with small towns, but I also know that counties do not just have small town and villages so where do you draw the line.
Off the counties you mention Leitrim would have one of the smallest county towns, if not the smallest, Carrick-on-Shannon. Carrick weekends before Covid was hen & stag party central.
Do you seriously believe if Carrick was in one of these "Green Zones" pubs, restaurants, hotels, B&B`s etc. are going to just cater to locals ?

I also know small towns well enough to know that Johnny when he`s back home from wherever drinks in a few local pubs with his family, pubs his family have drank in before he was even born, eats in a local restaurant and rocks up one weekend with friends from outside the "Green Zone" is not going to be refused service.

It`s nonsense and that is not even getting into those from pockets within this "Green Zone" with high numbers that will seemingly have no effect on transmissions due to contact tracing.

Charles Babbage

Irish restrictions look about right

Graham

Charles Babbage wrote: »

Irish restrictions look about right

Look at that, closest to the target zone for the 0% - 20% vaccination band.