Relaxation of Restrictions, Part X *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

FlubberJones

FlubberJones wrote: »

He should of ****ed off and stayed at home moping, he is almost deranged with doom now.

I'm not a fan of Tony Holohan and wish he wasn't in charge. To say that he was "home moping" is very unfair I think. The man was and no doubt still is grieving the loss of his wife.

Windmill100000

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Increased case numbers are not equal to increased hospitalisations, ICU admittance, or deaths.

Those are the important metrics, not obsessing about cases in people who probably don't even realise they have it.

Increased cases, whether people know they have it or not, increases the risk of community transmission. This in turn can ramp up hospitalisations. The more people vaccinated, the less important case numbers are.

niallo27

gozunda wrote: »

Yup the same Germans who have effectively lockdowned their own country to tourism.

They really have the whole thing licked ...

You do know they can fly to Spain on their holidays, where as we can stand in a field with another person as long neither of us own the field. I'd swap any day with them.

niallo27

Windmill100000 wrote: »

Increased cases, whether people know they have it or not, increases the risk of community transmission. This in turn can ramp up hospitalisations. The more people vaccinated, the less important case numbers are.

So you agree case numbers are in no way as important as they were let's say to last November or December.

niallo27

Deleted User wrote: »

I'm not a fan of Tony Holohan and wish he wasn't in charge. To say that he was "home moping" is very unfair I think. The man was and no doubt still is grieving the loss of his wife.

So should a man grieving the loss of a loved one be in charge of recommending restrictions, he will obviously recommend restrictions scaled for no loss of life at all.

peterc1991

TomSweeney wrote: »

God, RTE **** over the situation in France and India ... like they really are using it to justify the endless lockdown they want here.

You dont genuinely believe that..

Boggles

niallo27 wrote: »

You do know they can fly to Spain on their holidays, where as we can stand in a field with another person as long neither of us own the field. I'd swap any day with them.

You'd wonder why the Health Minister is calling for more restrictions as there hospitals fill back up.

Also as you said earlier you are from Clare, the weather is gorgeous, it's the weekend and you are in a County that is up there with some of the most spectacular coast line on the planet?

But all you think you can do is stand in a field.

You are doing wrong it lad. Very Very wrong.

peterc1991

niallo27 wrote: »

So should a man grieving the loss of a loved one be in charge of recommending restrictions, he will obviously recommend restrictions scaled for no loss of life at all.

Well thats his job. Its a recommendation and he doesnt have final decision. Thats why he isnt in government. The government need money start moving around the country so they would prefer to open. So they find a common ground. You let on as if Tony is some dictator or something.

Penfailed

gozunda wrote: »

Is that you are just catching up on this now?

Yes you're less likley to get seriously ill if you are vaccinated.

So far we are at 17.8% first vaccines administered and 7.33% second dose vaccines administered.

But hey let's ignore that and do our own thing right?

Even the UK and Isreal didn't start to open until they had a significant amount of the total population vaccinated. Yeah but we know better than them. Fek "Tony and his crew" eh?

Why is construction still partly closed? The UK and Israel didn't have a 5km or county travel restriction either. By that metric, we are 'doing our own thing'.

Corholio

Windmill100000 wrote: »

Increased cases, whether people know they have it or not, increases the risk of community transmission. This in turn can ramp up hospitalisations. The more people vaccinated, the less important case numbers are.

Cases haven't increased though, they have plateaued as you yourself said. With things open the last few weeks it's the limit of what we can expect. Even an increase means little unless it's an explosion, which has a lot of factors against that happening. The sensitivity towards an extra 100 or 150 cases etc needs to be deprogrammed from some in terms of fear and worry now, I don't blame some because we have had a year of it in our face but a lot are also over that hill of looking at it that way too.

charlie14

facehugger99 wrote: »

You're right.

Paddy's smarter than everywhere else.

Sure didn't we invent the 'avoid going into lockdown by staying in lockdown' strategy.

Smart lads, the fellas we have - lucky to have them. God bless Michael, Leo and Tony and all the rest of the brains trust.

*tugs forelock

I didn`t say "Paddy`s smarter" I asked the poster was there any scientific data to back up what these others were doing, or were they similar to India a few weeks ago. Just crossing their fingers and hoping for the best.


from your post I have a feeling it`s safe to say you`re believer in the India approach ?

_Kaiser_

niallo27 wrote: »

So should a man grieving the loss of a loved one be in charge of recommending restrictions, he will obviously recommend restrictions scaled for no loss of life at all.

I still think that Holohan's family circumstances - as sad as they are/were - mean that he is unable to be objective and shouldn't have returned to this role the first time, never mind the second.

Windmill100000

niallo27 wrote: »

So you agree case numbers are in no way as important as they were let's say to last November or December.

Until more people are vaccinated, case numbers are still important. Thought that would be obvious. Not as important as the vulnerable are getting vaccinated, but I would not say 'no way as important.

charlie14

niallo27 wrote: »

Pardon my stupidity here, can you just answer the question if you can, why are we the only country in Europe to say no, if our vaccine roll out is on track and our case numbers continue to be low. Are we basing our decisions on different criteria.

Whatever else you may be, you are not stupid when it comes to asking questions, attempting to avoid answering questions you are asked.


So again, what criterion have these countries stated on vaccination and case numbers for allowing large crowds on these dates ?
With those dates and fixtures apparently set in stone, it looks pretty much to me as none and it`s based on nothing other than crossed fingers and hoping for the best.

niallo27

niallo27 wrote: »

So should a man grieving the loss of a loved one be in charge of recommending restrictions, he will obviously recommend restrictions scaled for no loss of life at all.

I would rather if he wasn't in charge. It was the phrase 'moping at home' I took issue with.

Silentcorner

Boggles wrote: »

I didn't watch it like I said.

He is a cook book author who can use advanced excel and ms graphs.

He peddles lies to the weak minded in return for their money.

How would you describe John Ioannidis? And what do you make of Claire Byrne and Sam McConkey denying knowing who he is?

Silentcorner

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

I still think that Holohan's family circumstances - as sad as they are/were - mean that he is unable to be objective and shouldn't have returned to this role the first time, never mind the second.

Houlihan's behaviour when he returned a day early on a Sunday and completely undermined the Government and Nphet should have been enough to sack him.

A proper country doesn't tolerate that type of arrogance at the highest level of the State, if he was in a difficult place personally of course you can sympathize on a personal level, on a professional level, his act was disgraceful!

niallo27

charlie14 wrote: »

Whatever else you may be, you are not stupid when it comes to asking questions, attempting to avoid answering questions you are asked.


So again, what criterion have these countries stated on vaccination and case numbers for allowing large crowds on these dates ?
With those dates and fixtures apparently set in stone, it looks pretty much to me as none and it`s based on nothing other than crossed fingers and hoping for the best.

Maybe they are looking at the UK and seeing they have allowed crowds at games and by June they should be at the same stage in vaccinations. So you really think all the governments are just crossing their fingers. You really think this, one or two of them maybe but every single one one of them. Anyway what is wrong with being optimistic.

PTH2009

niallo27 wrote: »

Maybe they are looking at the UK and seeing they have allowed crowds at games and by June they should be at the same stage in vaccinations. So you really think all the governments are just crossing their fingers. You really think this, one or two of them maybe but every single one one of them. Anyway what is wrong with being optimistic.

ATM all bets are off from the 23rd June in the UK in terms of Arenas/night clubs etc and there opening but were just going to lie back and watch them get on with things and then months down the line implement the same rules (if even)

Our health system is the reason for us been so cautious and it's not the general public's job is fix that. The main reason for lockdowns is to get the the health system in order but no nothing done about it in Ireland and we just blame the public instead with there house parties, gatherings etc

The carry on with the Euros really pissed me off, it's not about the soccer it's the principle of the whole thing and the government's response of not making and effort

JTMan

Most EU countries are way ahead of us with reopening and giving their citizens a roadmap.

Reuters reports that restrictions on many businesses, including restaurants, bars and cinemas, will be relaxed in many Italian regions from Monday.

In Belgium, on 26 April the shops will reopen and non-medical 'contact' professions like hairdressers will reopen their doors. On 8 May bars and restaurants can reopen their terraces. Non-essential travel will be possible again, with the borders now reopened.

Both countries have higher case numbers than Ireland.

Tenzor07

JTMan wrote: »

Most EU countries are way ahead of us with reopening and giving their citizens a roadmap.
Reuters reports that restrictions on many businesses, including restaurants, bars and cinemas, will be relaxed in many Italian regions from Monday.
In Belgium, on 26 April the shops will reopen and non-medical 'contact' professions like hairdressers will reopen their doors. On 8 May bars and restaurants can reopen their terraces. Non-essential travel will be possible again, with the borders now reopened.

Both countries have higher case numbers than Ireland.

Ireland just cementing its place for 2021 after winning the prize in 2020 for longest and most severe lockdown... Belgium..bars and restaurants open while Ireland's closed last year....same with Luxembourg, Germany..even Malta in 2020, higher cases, less lockdown... It's a badge of honor to be European Outlier of the year here...

PTH2009

Hard questions should be asked but nope they won't be

Reporter- 'Why are we in ireland under such a severe lockdown compared to similar sized European nations' ???

NPHET/MM/Leo- ehhh you see Waffle waffle waffle

charlie14

niallo27 wrote: »

Maybe they are looking at the UK and seeing they have allowed crowds at games and by June they should be at the same stage in vaccinations. So you really think all the governments are just crossing their fingers. You really think this, one or two of them maybe but every single one one of them. Anyway what is wrong with being optimistic.

So are you saying that they will not go ahead with these fixtures if they have not reached the U.K. level of vaccinations ?

At this stage with their level of vaccinations and the difficulty with vaccine supply I don`t see where any of those governments are in a position to promise those crowds on those dates based on much more than fingers crossed and hope.

Not that EUFA are bothered with vaccinations anyway. Russia has just 7.5% first dose and 4.5% second using their own vaccine. But then if it does go tits up what do EUFA care.

KanyeSouthEast

I was thinking today that “the new normal” has almost become a way of life now. I’ve actually forgotten what it’s like to live a normal life, to travel, to socialise, to eat out, to book holidays, go in and clothes shop, not have to wear mask on my face even though I remain completely unconvinced of their effectiveness. It really is sad.

LuckyLloyd

KanyeSouthEast wrote: »

I was thinking today that “the new normal” has almost become a way of life now. I’ve actually forgotten what it’s like to live a normal life, to travel, to socialise, to eat out, to book holidays, go in and clothes shop, not have to wear mask on my face even though I remain completely unconvinced of their effectiveness. It really is sad.

In three months you'll get to give most of this a go again! It'll be great how novel all of these things will be again.

Pandiculation

I wonder will we all be talking about “Do y’a remember the auld COVID?” to our bored grandchildren and anyone who will listen in decades to come?

It has basically turned into an issue that’s likely going to define at least the rest of this decade as we recover from it. I still don’t think we have really begun to see the scale of the economic side of it yet.

Aph2016

It's incredible how restaurants, barbers, pubs, and hotels etc have been so docile throughout the last 13 months. The associations that represent them are a complete joke. Good luck to them trying to attract talented staff back to their sectors when they do get the go ahead to reopen.
I'm even more baffled how anyone with a mortgage, or kids, with car payments and other outgoings that can survive on €350 a week, and they're just taking it. We've barely seen anything resembling anger from these sectors. A few strongly worded emails or letters is pathetic.

Allinall

Aph2016 wrote: »

It's incredible how restaurants, barbers, pubs, and hotels etc have been so docile throughout the last 13 months. The associations that represent them are a complete joke. Good luck to them trying to attract talented staff back to their sectors when they do get the go ahead to reopen.
I'm even more baffled how anyone with a mortgage, or kids, with car payments and other outgoings that can survive on €350 a week, and they're just taking it. We've barely seen anything resembling anger from these sectors. A few strongly worded emails or letters is pathetic.

What difference do you thing real anger would make?

Perhaps these people thing the measures are needed, and are not so selfish to think of themselves only.

FintanMcluskey

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

In three months you'll get to give most of this a go again! It'll be great how novel all of these things will be again.

Not in Ireland

Abroad definitely

scamalert

Allinall wrote: »

What difference do you thing real anger would make?

Perhaps these people thing the measures are needed, and are not so selfish to think of themselves only.

So you assume everything closed because all the people thought fckit covid ill sit at home for a year collecting dole :pac: yeah sums up the mentality some here have totally disconnected from reality. whats next once businesses start to go belly up, ah sure they weren't open how can they turn income on a business thats closed.


id say we will see enough anger for decade to come, once realities of cost vs risk come out for regular folk to pay for.

LuckyLloyd

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Not in Ireland

Abroad definitely

Yes in Ireland, most definitely.

A keen observer such as yourself will see that the vaccines are effective and the rollout is ramping up. This is genuinely the last stretch.

Allinall

scamalert wrote: »

So you assume everything closed because all the people thought fckit covid ill sit at home for a year collecting dole :pac: yeah sums up the mentality some here have totally disconnected from reality. whats next once businesses start to go belly up, ah sure they weren't open how can they turn income on a business thats closed.


id say we will see enough anger for decade to come, once realities of cost vs risk come out for regular folk to pay for.

You’ve just made up a whole lot of stuff that I never even thought of, never mind assumed.

FlubberJones

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Yes in Ireland, most definitely.

A keen observer such as yourself will see that the vaccines are effective and the rollout is ramping up. This is genuinely the last stretch.

Bollox, the leaders are making a mess of it... again and again

ypres5

Boggles wrote: »

Was the competition not tenable if that was 10% or 0%?

Is the champions league this season not tenable?



You're embarrassed? I imagine you are firmly in the minority as the vast majority of the country couldn't give 2 fúcks if a few matches in a tournament we were not in gets played or not.

What's your basis for thinking the majority of the population doesn't care? Other than the over inflated value you give your own opinion?

The Davestator

Aph2016 wrote: »

It's incredible how restaurants, barbers, pubs, and hotels etc have been so docile throughout the last 13 months. The associations that represent them are a complete joke. Good luck to them trying to attract talented staff back to their sectors when they do get the go ahead to reopen.
I'm even more baffled how anyone with a mortgage, or kids, with car payments and other outgoings that can survive on €350 a week, and they're just taking it. We've barely seen anything resembling anger from these sectors. A few strongly worded emails or letters is pathetic.

Totally agree. you would have thought at this stage, with the public opinion well and truly turned that they would all just announce they were opening in the morning and be done with it. The gardai can't close everyone down.

hynesie08

The Davestator wrote: »

Totally agree. you would have thought at this stage, with the public opinion well and truly turned that they would all just announce they were opening in the morning and be done with it. The gardai can't close everyone down.

I wish I lived in a world where things like stock, staffing and insurance weren't an issue

arctictree

Just back from getting a takeaway in the local village and noticed a few people sitting on tables outside the pub and having a few drinks in this good weather. Nice to see some semblance of normality returning....

FintanMcluskey

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Yes in Ireland, most definitely.

A keen observer such as yourself will see that the vaccines are effective and the rollout is ramping up. This is genuinely the last stretch.

Ah come out of it.

The vulnerable and HCWs are vaccinated a while now, they were the one shot at normality this year in Ireland and it’s as if case numbers are still relevant. Baffling stuff

These guys are waiting for 100% vaccination and then a while to “wait and see”.

Abroad will be the place to have normality this year

Loafing Oaf

Allinall wrote: »

What difference do you thing real anger would make?.

This is the key to the quietism of SME owners IMO. With their innate pragmatism and realism, businesspeople recognise that marches on the Dail, Internet petitions etc. are very unlikely to change anything so why waste time and energy on them? If all you can do is sit back, draw your PUP and wait for the restrictions to be lifted then that's what they are going to do...

dalyboy

I met up with a bunch of mates this afternoon in a private garden for beers in the sun.
It’s been 4 months since we met up.

We all agreed to wait for our parents to be fully vaccinated (parents all early to mid 70’s in ages) before we met up.

From a personal points of view lockdown ended today.
Regular meet ups/BBQs/coffees/sports viewings etc at each other’s residence commence from now on and we have all agreed that we have done enough sacrifice.

Next mission is a Scotland weekend away beginning of June.
Can’t wait to get rekindled with my golf swing.

niallo27

People need to wake up and stop going for tests, isolate if you feel unwell. Stop driving up these numbers for them fools.

paddyisreal

The Davestator wrote: »

Totally agree. you would have thought at this stage, with the public opinion well and truly turned that they would all just announce they were opening in the morning and be done with it. The gardai can't close everyone down.

When publicans are recieving up to 5k a week to stay close depending on previous income obviously....why would you want to reopen ?

bear1

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/taoiseach-signals-reopening-to-proceed-even-if-there-s-bad-news-on-j-j-vaccine-1.4546035?mode=amp

Jesus. They are back end forth.
End of the year with pints?
**** off and you've people on this thread they seem content with it all.
Ryanair begging the government to scrap the hotel nonsense, people escaping north for a haircut..
Has the planet gone ****in insane?
Look at flightradar and it's a sad sad state of affairs.
The country striked due to water charges but for this...??

Frankie19

paddyisreal wrote: »

When publicans are recieving up to 5k a week to stay close depending on previous income obviously....why would you want to reopen ?

Exactly. Its why the pub owners are not going mental. They are receiving a % of previous revenue with very little costs. Their staff are all on pup..dont need stock....commercial rates paused e.t.c while I'm sure they would like to be open they arent pushing it as they are being looked after.

bear1

paddyisreal wrote: »

When publicans are recieving up to 5k a week to stay close depending on previous income obviously....why would you want to reopen ?

So publicans are staying silent because they've income anyway?

gozunda

niallo27 wrote: »

You do know they can fly to Spain on their holidays, where as we can stand in a field with another person as long neither of us own the field. I'd swap any day with them.

And you know the opening of Germanys own tourism sector is prosponed due to rise in the rate of infection there

Whilst we're swapping anecdotes. Apparently the Spanish can stand in a field but have to wear a mask to do so. :cool:

Batattackrat

paddyisreal wrote: »

When publicans are recieving up to 5k a week to stay close depending on previous income obviously....why would you want to reopen ?

No there not.

10% of average weekly turnover in 2019 up to €20,000
5% of average weekly turnover in 2019 in excess of €20,000

It means **** all to them, particularly counry pubs.

Your making it out like there well looked over.

bear1

gozunda wrote: »

Whilst we're swapping anecdotes. Apparently the Spanish can stand in a field but have to wear a mask to do so.

Give me their summer weather and who gives a fcuk?

paddyisreal

Batattackrat wrote: »

No there not.

oh yes they are, silence is being bought !

j@utis

Frankie19 wrote: »

Exactly. Its why the pub owners are not going mental. They are receiving a % of previous revenue with very little costs. Their staff are all on pup..dont need stock....commercial rates paused e.t.c while I'm sure they would like to be open they arent pushing it as they are being looked after.

Isn't that *income just a form of loan that will have to be repaid with interest slapped on? (A lot of bankruptcies on the way).