Relaxation of Restrictions, Part X *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

hynesie08

paddyisreal wrote: »

oh yes they are, silence is being bought !

What % of pubs do you think are getting 5k a week?

bear1

hynesie08 wrote: »

What % of pubs do you think are getting 5k a week?

"I'll take example of a load of bollocks for 100"

paddyisreal

Frankie19 wrote: »

Exactly. Its why the pub owners are not going mental. They are receiving a % of previous revenue with very little costs. Their staff are all on pup..dont need stock....commercial rates paused e.t.c while I'm sure they would like to be open they arent pushing it as they are being looked after.

All publicans should be worried about is how drinking habits have changed. People are now going to other people's houses and will realise the money saved in the pocket the longer this goes on.

paddyisreal

hynesie08 wrote: »

What % of pubs do you think are getting 5k a week?

Did you read what I said depending on previous income. Let's take a rural pub in Clare for example, their income for the month might be 5k how they are getting 700 a week plus income supplement. It's a no brainer. Also every city center pub is getting the 5k a week no doubt

Batattackrat

There getting 10% of weekly taking for 2019.

Yea pubs are minted now getting that 10%

PTH2009

bear1 wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/taoiseach-signals-reopening-to-proceed-even-if-there-s-bad-news-on-j-j-vaccine-1.4546035?mode=amp

Jesus. They are back end forth.
End of the year with pints?
**** off and you've people on this thread they seem content with it all.
Ryanair begging the government to scrap the hotel nonsense, people escaping north for a haircut..
Has the planet gone ****in insane?
Look at flightradar and it's a sad sad state of affairs.
The country striked due to water charges but for this...??

Oh FFS

All this negativity all of a sudden and its not surprising given who just came back to his role. Jesus this 'Irish version' of covid is bad really really bad, jesus christ i'm sick of it

gozunda

Penfailed wrote: »

Why is construction still partly closed? The UK and Israel didn't have a 5km or county travel restriction either. By that metric, we are 'doing our own thing'.

Not sure what your point is but yeah that was the point. We're doing are own thing. But apparently that's not good enough - and we should open up "now"!

But to digress ' afaik the 5km was gone last time I checked. Construction on major infrastructure and residential projects is now open. And if I remember correctly- the UK had stay at home and exercise local restrictions. And Israelis were not allowed to leave their homes unless absolutely necessary. 

But back to the original point about people who demand we should open up 'now' - what's your take on that?

Btw as an aside- Interesting you mentioned construction btw. Apparently the Intel site has been reported as having a significant confirmed outbreak with the number of confirmed cases having risen today to 85.

Dickie10

pubs may open in september but dont think it will be much earlier, they will leave it til schools are back then open. thought it might be mid august for staycation but i dont think so now.

bear1

PTH2009 wrote: »

Oh FFS

All this negativity all of a sudden and its not surprising given who just came back to his role. Jesus this 'Irish version' of covid is bad really really bad, jesus christ i'm sick of it

The Irish variant, no vaccine will help, only cure is an utter annihilation of the economy, destruction of the populations mental health and an infinite lockdown.

Batattackrat

Dickie10 wrote: »

pubs may open in september but dont think it will be much earlier, they will leave it til schools are back then open. thought it might be mid august for staycation but i dont think so now.

They'll be open long before September.

Beer gardens in June or sooner, and indoor from July.


There not gonna keep us locked up all summer for fear of some variant that the vacinne is not 90% effective against in winter.

75% of counties should be at level 2 right now.

If you took Dublin out of the equation our numbers are excellent.

Dickie10

aww i really hope your right, thanks for the optimism. i really am finding myself a bit institutionalised since xmas. i actually cant picture or even dare to think of what normal life feels like or would look like.

Batattackrat

Dickie10 wrote: »

aww i really hope your right, thanks for the optimism. i really am finding myself a bit institutionalised since xmas. i actually cant picture or even dare to think of what normal life feels like or would look like.

My social anxiety is worse than ever as as a result of lockdown. I had it in the past but its gone back to been worse than it ever was.

I just want to get into my regular routine again, probably take me a few months to get out of it when we are back to normal.

Few outdoor pints was torturous 2nite with friends.

FintanMcluskey

Batattackrat wrote: »

They'll be open long before September.

Beer gardens in June or sooner, and indoor from July.


There not gonna keep us locked up all summer for fear of some variant that the vacinne is not 90% effective against in winter.

75% of counties should be at level 2 right now.

If you took Dublin out of the equation our numbers are excellent.

Your implying, with great confidence I may add, something that you have completely made up and the very opposite of what’s being said by those in authority

They will keep us locked up without issue “just in case”

The fact they still believe case numbers hold relevance with vulnerable and HCWs vaccinated will be an indication of the path the rest of the year will follow.

Sharpyshoot

Batattackrat wrote: »

They'll be open long before September.

Beer gardens in June or sooner, and indoor from July.


There not gonna keep us locked up all summer for fear of some variant that the vacinne is not 90% effective against in winter.

75% of counties should be at level 2 right now.

If you took Dublin out of the equation our numbers are excellent.

What is wrong in Dublin, are they licking each other that the numbers are high?

Batattackrat

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Your implying, with great confidence I may add, something that you have completely made up and the very opposite of what’s being said by those in authority

They will keep us locked up without issue “just in case”

The fact they still believe case numbers hold relevance with vulnerable and HCWs vaccinated will be an indication of the path the rest of the year will follow.

Well there giving an update on the hospitality sector been open next week so??

There going to open hospitality in the summer, my guess is properly when the schools are closed.

Batattackrat

Sharpyshoot wrote: »

What is wrong in Dublin, are they licking each other that the numbers are high?

Nothing just the population is high, no worse than kildare.

hynesie08

Sharpyshoot wrote: »

What is wrong in Dublin, are they licking each other that the numbers are high?

You can't understand why numbers are higher when you cram 30% of the population into 8% of the space?

hynesie08

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Your implying, with great confidence I may add, something that you have completely made up and the very opposite of what’s being said by those in authority

They will keep us locked up without issue “just in case”

The fact they still believe case numbers hold relevance with vulnerable and HCWs vaccinated will be an indication of the path the rest of the year will follow.

Hmmmm.

Sharpyshoot

hynesie08 wrote: »

You can't understand why numbers are higher when you cram 30% of the population into 8% of the space?

Are you on that angle grinder or what?

Batattackrat

hynesie08 wrote: »

Hmmmm.

I think they misinterpreted my post completely

gozunda

bear1 wrote: »

Give me their summer weather and who gives a fcuk?

A bit of an uncivil start to a discussion but no matter

As to who gives a "fcuk"? Apparently Spain does..

https://www.piccavey.com/safe-travel-to-spain/

Maybe have a word with them and you can vent your anger about the ****e Irish weather and whatever else ...

bear1

gozunda wrote: »

A bit of an uncivil start to a discussion but no matter

As to who gives a "fcuk"? Apparently Spain does..

https://www.piccavey.com/safe-travel-to-spain/

Maybe have a word with them and you can vent your anger about the ****e Irish weather and whatever else ...

And your point is?
They don't force inbound travelers to spend 1900e per person in a hotel.
Masks indoor and out seems to be their biggest issue but I suspect you'll say it's just as bad there as it is here.
And re the weather, if Ireland had the same summer weather, do you believe the mood would be better?
Or do you just berate anyone that doesn't believe things are that bad to keep everything closed?

Penfailed

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Not in Ireland

Abroad definitely

As pessimistic as ever.

niallo27

gozunda wrote: »

A bit of an uncivil start to a discussion but no matter

As to who gives a "fcuk"? Apparently Spain does..

https://www.piccavey.com/safe-travel-to-spain/

Maybe have a word with them and you can vent your anger about the ****e Irish weather and whatever else ...

So your link says their shops bars and restaurants are a open and many areas are gone back to normality, but hey Germany restrictions are increasing so it could be worse for us. Your posts are getting more deluded by the night.

niallo27

Penfailed wrote: »

As pessimistic as ever.

What is there to be optimistic about, we have the tightest restrictions in Europe, we have cowards in government, Tony is back now and it won't suit his ego to ease restrictions so we are ****ed.

bear1

niallo27 wrote: »

So your link says their shops bars and restaurants are a open and many areas are gone back to normality, but hey Germany restrictions are increasing so it could be worse for us. Your posts are getting more deluded by the night.

Should be in nphet

Batattackrat

Batattackrat wrote: »

Nothing just the population is high, no worse than kildare.

Numbers should have context. But no they are just thrown out there and people don’t read beyond the headline figure. And then they start panicking.

Ray Donovan

Batattackrat wrote: »

They'll be open long before September.

Beer gardens in June or sooner, and indoor from July.


There not gonna keep us locked up all summer for fear of some variant that the vacinne is not 90% effective against in winter.

75% of counties should be at level 2 right now.

If you took Dublin out of the equation our numbers are excellent.

Zero chance of this happening. September after schools go back is way more likely and if doesn’t happen in September then start looking at 2022.

FintanMcluskey

Ray Donovan wrote: »

Zero chance of this happening. September after schools go back is way more likely and if doesn’t happen in September then start looking at 2022.

Last summer the messaging was they didn’t want to jeopardise the schools returning

Expect the same again

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/health/coronavirus-in-ireland-further-reopening-delayed-amid-worrying-rise-in-infection-rates-1.4305535%3fmode=amp

July 16th 2020

Getting the “R number” back below one would give the Government the best possible chance to reopen schools in late August and to resume essential healthcare, he said.

There is no hope for Ireland

Those who can will work here but socialise abroad

MOR316

The Euros aren't until the end of June...
Government think it's risky putting people within 4 or 5 seats of one another, outside, at the end of June...

Having a laugh if people think they'll open up this summer

PTH2009

MOR316 wrote: »

The Euros aren't until the end of June...
Government think it's risky putting people within 4 or 5 seats of one another, outside, at the end of June...

Having a laugh if people think they'll open up this summer

Reckon a bit of it is to do with the matchday experience ie getting a few pints in and people chanting/singing/hugging etc

Spineless leadership we have

Batattackrat

PTH2009 wrote: »

Reckon a bit of it is to do with the matchday experience ie getting a few pints in and people chanting/singing/hugging etc

Spineless leadership we have

If there's one set of tesicles between 100 of them id be surprised

peterc1991

MOR316 wrote: »

The Euros aren't until the end of June...
Government think it's risky putting people within 4 or 5 seats of one another, outside, at the end of June...

Having a laugh if people think they'll open up this summer

You do realise that poland and slovakia were due to play in the aviva. Likely would have been a lot of people travelling up to it from all around the country Drinking outside. Whatever it would be a gathering.

We will probably only just about have pubs open by then yet you think having a major sporting event is grand.

Would likely set us back weeks. Never mind 4 seats apart or whatever but imagine all the polish people going up and staying with their friends or cousins or whatever.

Youd be here calling them hypocrites if they held it yet you could go to a nightclub.

MOR316

peterc1991 wrote: »

You do realise that poland and slovakia were due to play in the aviva. Likely would have been a lot of people travelling up to it from all around the country Drinking outside. Whatever it would be a gathering.

We will probably only just about have pubs open by then yet you think having a major sporting event is grand.

Would likely set us back weeks. Never mind 4 seats apart or whatever but imagine all the polish people going up and staying with their friends or cousins or whatever.

Youd be here calling them hypocrites if they held it yet you could go to a nightclub.

First bolded and underlined part, I never said it was OK or not OK to hold a major sporting event. All I said was that if they think having people sit outside, for 90 minutes, far apart from each other is risky, 8 or 9 weeks from now, with a vaccine rollout going according to their plan, I wouldn't hold my breath on the rest of society opening up...Especially if RTE's Claire Byrne live is telling people it's dangerous to go for a piss...To counter your point, plenty of people would be travelling to pubs and going across counties to visit and stay with friends they haven't seen in a long time, whilst also going out on the piss and that's before we get to people going to NI when they reopen...What's the difference?

The last bolded part, you presume to know me and know what I think and think that I go to nightclubs. Not particularly bothered interacting with you if that's your mindset

Penfailed

paddyisreal wrote: »

When publicans are recieving up to 5k a week to stay close depending on previous income obviously....why would you want to reopen ?

As well as that, Diageo aren't supplying pubs.

gozunda

bear1 wrote: »

And your point is?
They don't force inbound travelers to spend 1900e per person in a hotel. Masks indoor and out seems to be their biggest issue but I suspect you'll say it's just as bad there as it is here.And re the weather, if Ireland had the same summer weather, do you believe the mood would be better? Or do you just berate anyone that doesn't believe things are that bad to keep everything closed?

That and a 1000 things that weren't said :rolleyes:

Eh? Where are you finding any of that btw?

Jaysus that comment comes across like a mad badger caught in briars . And not me berating others "who gives a fcuk". Its a discussion. Chill.

gozunda

niallo27 wrote: »

So your link says their shops bars and restaurants are a open and many areas are gone back to normality, but hey Germany restrictions are increasing so it could be worse for us. Your posts are getting more deluded by the night.

Oh lets play pick a section :pac: it also says this about travel / restrictions which I believe which was originally under discussion.

If you are a Resident in Spain you can travel. You need documentation to prove this...

In Spain face masks are obligatory at ALL times

Travel restrictions apply between Spanish provinces, autonomous communities and on national borders.  Local authorities and police forces enforce regional restrictions. For example at the moment I can move around Granada province as I am a resident here. Yet I cannot move around Andalusia or other parts of Spain.
Depending on the specific restrictions of the area of Spain you are travelling to. You need documents to prove that you are a resident in  the municipality. Should you be travelling for business reasons, you should carry documentation with the reason for travel...

Restrictions are changing often according to the rise and fall in local case numbers. Restrictions are set by municipality, province and autonomous region. Do check the rules for the specific location you are going to or are residing in. Different rules apply according to risk for healthcare and contagion levels.

Sounds fun!

But yeah even more stuff that was never said. You're getting better. Keep going ...

JRant

Sharpyshoot wrote: »

What is wrong in Dublin, are they licking each other that the numbers are high?

200+ cases in a population of over 1 million is considered high?

JRant

MOR316 wrote: »

First bolded and underlined part, I never said it was OK or not OK to hold a major sporting event. All I said was that if they think having people sit outside, for 90 minutes, far apart from each other is risky, 8 or 9 weeks from now, with a vaccine rollout going according to their plan, I wouldn't hold my breath on the rest of society opening up...Especially if RTE's Claire Byrne live is telling people it's dangerous to go for a piss...To counter your point, plenty of people would be travelling to pubs and going across counties to visit and stay with friends they haven't seen in a long time, whilst also going out on the piss and that's before we get to people going to NI when they reopen...What's the difference?

The last bolded part, you presume to know me and know what I think and think that I go to nightclubs. Not particularly bothered interacting with you if that's your mindset

You need to remember we are dealing with a government paralyzed by fear. Everything is a concern for them. They seem to think they need to legislate for every aspect of our lives and "protect" us. Personal responsibility is a non runner for this crowd. Everything must be controlled to the nth degree. Just look at some of the crazy advice they come out with. 2 people from different households can meet up outside but not in a garden (COVID loves a garden). Severe restrictions on mobility around our own country despite the fact it's contact, not movement of people that spreads this.

They have a plan on relaxing restrictions alright. That plan is to severely limit people's freedoms until 80% are vaccinated and then they'll see what they will allow us. I'd be pleasantly surprised if nightclubs and sporting events were open to the great unwashed this year. They'll apply an abundance of caution, like everything else they do, and say we need to wait till after the winter "surge".

pjohnson

Penfailed wrote: »

As pessimistic as ever.

This thread would shatter anyones mental health if people took it seriously.

Constantly creating doom and gloom scenarios. Yet its those following restrictions/Tony Holohan that are spreading fear :pac:

Boggles

MOR316 wrote: »

The Euros aren't until the end of June...
Government think it's risky putting people within 4 or 5 seats of one another, outside, at the end of June...

Having a laugh if people think they'll open up this summer

The Euros start the 11th of June, 14th here for 1st match. i.e. not the end of the June.

That is 7 weeks away.

We are gradually easing as we vaccinate, more opening on Monday.

Holding potential massive super spreader events in 7 weeks time so UEFA can make money is by every single metric dangerously stupid.

And no, it just wouldn't have been 11,500 robots sittings 5 seats away from each other and going on their way in single file after the final whistle. That is extreme Naivety.

We will open up and we are opening up, we just wouldn't let the corrupt goons in UEFA dictate our public health policy during a pandemic, but of course some people are upset by this, it is truly bizarre.

Boggles

pjohnson wrote: »

This thread would shatter anyones mental health if people took it seriously.

Constantly creating doom and gloom scenarios. Yet its those following restrictions/Tony Holohan that are spreading fear :pac:

It's been dialed up as we vaccinate and open up more.

Very strange.

Anyway great news from Israel, this may make some people nauseous.

Israel records no daily deaths for the first time in 10 months

The health ministry said more than 53% of the country's population of about nine million people had received two doses of vaccine

Backstreet Moyes

What is the story with Dunnes and how are they getting away with opening

I was in town last week and went in and everything was available to buy

Yet a charity shop across the road and a small clothes shop have not been open for months

RGS

Boggles wrote: »

The Euros start the 11th of June, 14th here for 1st match. i.e. not the end of the June.

That is 7 weeks away.

We are gradually easing as we vaccinate, more opening on Monday.

Holding potential massive super spreader events in 7 weeks time so UEFA can make money is by every single metric dangerously stupid.

And no, it just wouldn't have been 11,500 robots sittings 5 seats away from each other and going on their way in single file after the final whistle. That is extreme Naivety.

We will open up and we are opening up, we just wouldn't let the corrupt goons in UEFA dictate our public health policy during a pandemic, but of course some people are upset by this, it is truly bizarre.

Personally I could take or leave the euros. However it's the clear signal from our government that they are a cabinet of "CANT DO" rather than a cabinet of "CAN DO".

There is no ambition to get things done. It's the usual wait and see. They are paralyzed by fear.

niallo27

Boggles wrote: »

The Euros start the 11th of June, 14th here for 1st match. i.e. not the end of the June.

That is 7 weeks away.

We are gradually easing as we vaccinate, more opening on Monday.

Holding potential massive super spreader events in 7 weeks time so UEFA can make money is by every single metric dangerously stupid.

And no, it just wouldn't have been 11,500 robots sittings 5 seats away from each other and going on their way in single file after the final whistle. That is extreme Naivety.

We will open up and we are opening up, we just wouldn't let the corrupt goons in UEFA dictate our public health policy during a pandemic, but of course some people are upset by this, it is truly bizarre.

Aboy the Boggles, if you consider this a super spreader event and it's held outside, shouldn't we have hundreds of super spreader events every weekend throughout the country with beach's and canals packed with people drinking.

niallo27

Boggles wrote: »

The Euros start the 11th of June, 14th here for 1st match. i.e. not the end of the June.

That is 7 weeks away.

We are gradually easing as we vaccinate, more opening on Monday.

Holding potential massive super spreader events in 7 weeks time so UEFA can make money is by every single metric dangerously stupid.

And no, it just wouldn't have been 11,500 robots sittings 5 seats away from each other and going on their way in single file after the final whistle. That is extreme Naivety.

We will open up and we are opening up, we just wouldn't let the corrupt goons in UEFA dictate our public health policy during a pandemic, but of course some people are upset by this, it is truly bizarre.

Exactly you finally got it, nobody has a clue when this is or what criteria we need to meet to get there.

robbiezero

Boggles wrote: »

The Euros start the 11th of June, 14th here for 1st match. i.e. not the end of the June.

That is 7 weeks away.

We are gradually easing as we vaccinate, more opening on Monday.

Holding potential massive super spreader events in 7 weeks time so UEFA can make money is by every single metric dangerously stupid.

And no, it just wouldn't have been 11,500 robots sittings 5 seats away from each other and going on their way in single file after the final whistle. That is extreme Naivety.

We will open up and we are opening up, we just wouldn't let the corrupt goons in UEFA dictate our public health policy during a pandemic, but of course some people are upset by this, it is truly bizarre.

Link to the evidence that this is a potential MASSIVE super spreader event?

Stormyteacup

Article in The Examiner this morning with a discussion on how deaths with Covid are reported;

https://www.irishexaminer.com/opinion/columnists/arid-40273184.html

There's little issue to be taken with how we have reported deaths, all data contributes to better understanding and the limited forecasting that is possible.

Big issue with NPHET claiming that they have been transparent all along with who is included in Covid reported deaths. I've had several discussions in forums here and in real life with people, many of whom are well-read and can argue logically, who insist that the deaths that the deaths reported were deaths that occurred because the person contracted Covid and died from it.

How can they blatently insist they are transparent when so many rational people still do not realise what constitutes a Covid death?

Ronan Glynn;
“We made it clear from day one that we have reported all deaths either because of, or with, Covid-19," Dr Glynn said.

"And as a result of that, I vividly recall last year — our reporting rates being compared very unfavourably with countries across the world,” he said in reference to early comparisons with the UK in March 2020.

“We took a view on this early on — we have been entirely transparent throughout."

Tony Holohan;
"We follow the WHO (World Health Organization) method in counting all deaths where there has been a laboratory result (of Covid) in people who died, the medical practitioner will certify the death (as being a Covid death)," Dr Holohan said.

"That is different to the way in which other countries count but it is the way which we have always done it,”

And then the columnist strays into what is know around here as Conpiracy Theory territory;

'However, ahead of next week’s announcement about our next step as a country on the path to freedom, it is legitimate to question whether the higher number of deaths reported allowed the case for extending lockdown to be made easier.'

Well at least the question is being asked.

KrustyUCC

According to this mornings Indo indoor dining and accommodation is not expected to return until late June or July

They might open b&bs and guest houses first

Seems the boat has been pushed out a few more weeks with late June instead of mid June

Funny coincidence once Tony has returned

robbiezero

peterc1991 wrote: »

You do realise that poland and slovakia were due to play in the aviva. Likely would have been a lot of people travelling up to it from all around the country Drinking outside. Whatever it would be a gathering.

We will probably only just about have pubs open by then yet you think having a major sporting event is grand.

Would likely set us back weeks. Never mind 4 seats apart or whatever but imagine all the polish people going up and staying with their friends or cousins or whatever.

Youd be here calling them hypocrites if they held it yet you could go to a nightclub.

You should be in Government with that level of hand-wringing spinelessness.

Right now people all over the country are staying with family, meeting outdoors, drinking etc.

Set us back weeks my hole. 11,000 people isn't a major sporting event. You would have more than that at most county finals.

Do you think in 6 weeks time that the Poles and Slovaks aren't going to meet up in their gaffs and watch it anyway. Of course they are, like we would do if Ireland were in it.