Relaxation of Restrictions, Part X *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

PTH2009

Making up alternative plans for concerts in the Autumn and will fly over to the UK instead. No way will they allow the 3Arena host stuff here

charlie14

niallo27 wrote: »

Exactly you finally got it, nobody has a clue when this is or what criteria we need to meet to get there.

I would have thought the criteria is fairly simple at this stage. Same as it has been in the U.K. and Israel. The level of vaccinations.

PTH2009

charlie14 wrote: »

I would have thought the criteria is fairly simple at this stage. Same as it has been in the U.K. and Israel. The level of vaccinations.

Nope it's just wait and see with our lads pending on public health advice

Ireland is in Tony's hands

Corholio

charlie14 wrote: »

I would have thought the criteria is fairly simple at this stage. Same as it has been in the U.K. and Israel. The level of vaccinations.

While I agree somewhat, 'level of vaccinations' isn't criteria, it's just general, vague phrasing. The 'levels' should be guided more imo and it would only help what the government is bumbling over constantly to convey.

charlie14

PTH2009 wrote: »

Nope it's just wait and see with our lads pending on public health advice

Ireland is in Tony's hands

Personally like the "mehole" comments I find this idea that we are now a dictatorship ruled by someone called Tony a bit childish.
More new world order conspiracy theory than anthing related to discussion on relaxation of restrictions.


What do you advise other than listening to public advise before making decisions, just take a punt and open up regardless ?



I really am at this stage of the belief that some here are afraid that by following the science we will eliminate the need to yoyo in and out of lockdowns and leave them with no lockdowns to crib and cry about.

charlie14

Corholio wrote: »

While I agree somewhat, 'level of vaccinations' isn't criteria, it's just general, vague phrasing. The 'levels' should be guided more imo and it would only help what the government is bumbling over constantly to convey.

I would see it as guided by the UK in particular vaccination levels and their staged opening, with us being in the happy position to see from their outcomes what they have got right or if it may need to be tweeked somewhat.

hynesie08

PTH2009 wrote: »

Nope it's just wait and see with our lads pending on public health advice

Ireland is in Tony's hands

Do you believe this stuff as you're writing it?

niallo27

charlie14 wrote: »

Personally like the "mehole" comments I find this idea that we are now a dictatorship ruled by someone called Tony a bit childish.
More new world order conspiracy theory than anthing related to discussion on relaxation of restrictions.


What do you advise other than listening to public advise before making decisions, just take a punt and open up regardless ?



I really am at this stage of the belief that some here are afraid that by following the science we will eliminate the need to yoyo in and out of lockdowns and leave them with no lockdowns to crib and cry about.

Are we following the same science as the rest of Europe.

Multipass

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Micheal Martin is terrified. Not of covid, but of making a decision and being held accountable for it if it's wrong. He's the definition of an "empty suit".

All Micheal wanted was to be Taoiseach so he wouldn't be the only FF leader not to be. That's it. No other plan or agenda.

It's the same as how Enda Kenny's crusade to be the only FG Taoiseach to get a second term led to backroom last minute deals with the likes of Shane Ross, and Katherine Zappone. Once he got that he was happy to take the money and run.

Michael hasn't a clue how to deal with Holohan and NPHET, and he has Leo yapping at his heels doing his "look at me" act to remind everyone he's still there too. Michael can barely keep his own party in line at this stage as well. They're just waiting for the right moment to sink the knife.

He's our John Major. Dull, grey and uninspiring in every respect.

He’ll be ok though, like all of them, he just has to tough it out and evade responsibility long enough to get all those nice pension entitlements flowing in. They don’t give two hoots about the future of the country, none of them.

UDAWINNER

https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1385925402728837125

Couldn't see this happening here

Akesh

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/04/24/lockdown-proponents-cant-escape-blame-biggest-public-health/

Lockdown enthusiasts in shambles. Interesting to see Aoife McLysaght was rolled out to spout more nonsense in the Independent today. Another ISAG nut who is not qualified to comment on a pandemic.

Why are the media obsessed with unqualified ISAG nuts? Why not just ask the binman, postal worker or a solicitor for their opinion?

Aoife McLysaght, Tomas Ryan and co are no more qualified to talk about restrictions and the pandemic than my dog is. We are out of our depth, drowning in nonsense and hysteria.

The media have played a pivotal role in whipping up hysteria and fearmongering. If the media did their job, they would tell you none of these people are experts and let's not pretend that they are.

RTE, Newstalk, Info, IT etc. should all hang their heads in shame. Embarrassing giving these people a platform to spread lies in the public domain.

FintanMcluskey

UDAWINNER wrote: »

https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1385925402728837125

Couldn't see this happening here

Certainly not

The gyms have been shut for months

normanoffside

Nice to see our beloved Gardai keeping us all safe this sunny weekend.

https://twitter.com/gardainfo/status/1385951679703564290?s=21

noserider

normanoffside wrote: »

Nice to see our beloved Gardai keeping us all safe this sunny weekend.

https://twitter.com/gardainfo/status/1385951679703564290?s=21

Into the breach once more... heroes

Penfailed

niallo27 wrote: »

That's fair enough, we can both agree that restrictions are easing a bit too slowly anyway.

For sure. It's a sliding scale. I'd imagine you think more stuff should open more quickly than me...but I'm risk averse by nature.

the kelt

niallo27 wrote: »

Are we following the same science as the rest of Europe.

Ours is more scientier than theirs.

Boggerman12

normanoffside wrote: »

Nice to see our beloved Gardai keeping us all safe this sunny weekend.

https://twitter.com/gardainfo/status/1385951679703564290?s=21

Will they be dancing

ypres5

the kelt wrote: »

Ours is more scientier than theirs.

Apparently it's too dangerous to have 11k people attend a sports game in several weeks time in ireland but its perfectly safe for the rest of europe. And there's people who'll back it to the hilt for whatever reason

lawred2

normanoffside wrote: »

Nice to see our beloved Gardai keeping us all safe this sunny weekend.

https://twitter.com/gardainfo/status/1385951679703564290?s=21

Gobshoites

Be better all round if they were on the beat down around the North wall

RGARDINR

lawred2 wrote: »

Gobshoites

Be better all round if they were on the beat down around the North wall

I say they will be on a the routes up north from Friday onwards afraid everyone will be making a rush up there. Was tempted but couldn't be arsed now hassle just hassle they will make it. Plus more not sure what way the PSNI will be then if your stopped up there.

User142

Did someone still the Zero Covid Social Democrats tongue? The puppets of ISAG seem to have lost their voice the last few weeks. I'd expect them to furious at the easing of restrictions. We are miles off their 10 cases a day demand before easing any restrictions.

Kivaro

normanoffside wrote: »

Nice to see our beloved Gardai keeping us all safe this sunny weekend.

https://twitter.com/gardainfo/status/1385951679703564290?s=21

Well that's embarrassing of them.
The responses to that post on Twitter should give them an indication of what the people in this country think about their scaremongering and intimidatory tactics.
One of these days the country will develop a backbone.

castletownman

normanoffside wrote: »

Nice to see our beloved Gardai keeping us all safe this sunny weekend.

https://twitter.com/gardainfo/status/1385951679703564290?s=21

I am regularly down at beauty spots near me. One of them was busy last Sunday to be fair, but it was still a steady stream of people walking socially distant apart. Everytime I have been, everyone, even toddlers, recognize other people's boundaries.

Absolutely no sign of anyone taking the piss, because believe it or not, most people are delighted to be able to get out and about and are used to adhering to the rules by now.

I bet there will be no "policing" of Penneys beyond the queue at the door when that reopens.

Stormyteacup

castletownman wrote: »

I am regularly down at beauty spots near me. One of them was busy last Sunday to be fair, but it was still a steady stream of people walking socially distant apart. Everytime I have been, everyone, even toddlers, recognize other people's boundaries.

Absolutely no sign of anyone taking the piss, because believe it or not, most people are delighted to be able to get out and about and are used to adhering to the rules by now.

I bet there will be no "policing" of Penneys beyond the queue at the door when that reopens.

Just out of interest what did you observe that was so different to anything pre-Covid? I ask because I live near a beauty spot and it’s been the same the past six weeks or so, in nice weather, as anything pre-Covid.

People travelling there to spend time with friends and family. It looks the same to me - nothing to do with people being used to following rules. If you’ve found a toddler that recognises other peoples boundaries though, that is an unusual observation.

castletownman

Stormyteacup wrote: »

Just out of interest what did you observe that was so different to anything pre-Covid? I ask because I live near a beauty spot and it’s been the same the past six weeks or so, in nice weather, as anything pre-Covid.

People travelling there to spend time with friends and family. It looks the same to me - nothing to do with people being used to following rules. If you’ve found a toddler that recognises other peoples boundaries though, that is an unusual observation.

Nothing different to pre-covid.

People out for their daily exercise, or families getting some fresh air. One of the spots near me is popular for older people and I was there the other day and noticed an increase in that age group compared to a couple of months ago.

I wouldn't say it's following rules as such, more keeping to themselves. But it's definitely noticeable how lot more orderly people are queuing for coffees etc in those hatches that have popped up

Which is my point exactly-why the need to have any gardaí presence, when virtually all the clientelé are there keeping to themselves or their little bubble?

Jimbob1977

There was a major anti-lockdown protest in Central London today. Focusing on the proposed issuance of vaccine passports.

By all accounts, it wasn't a few hundred radicals and activists. There were tens of thousands of ordinary citizens on the streets.

Many Europeans are pushing back against curfews and restrictions.

Coillte_Bhoy

Jimbob1977 wrote: »

There was a major anti-lockdown protest in Central London today. Focusing on the proposed issuance of vaccine passports.

By all accounts, it wasn't a few hundred radicals and activists. There were tens of thousands of ordinary citizens on the streets.

Many Europeans are pushing back against curfews and restrictions.

:pac: By whose accounts?

TrangiaCoffee

Jimbob1977 wrote: »

There was a major anti-lockdown protest in Central London today. Focusing on the proposed issuance of vaccine passports.

By all accounts, it wasn't a few hundred radicals and activists. There were tens of thousands of ordinary citizens on the streets.

Many Europeans are pushing back against curfews and restrictions.

Thankfully we have fewer tin foil hatters, Trump supporters and climate deniers here in Ireland.

Stormyteacup

ypres5 wrote: »

Apparently it's too dangerous to have 11k people attend a sports game in several weeks time in ireland but its perfectly safe for the rest of europe. And there's people who'll back it to the hilt for whatever reason

And speaking of backing things to the hilt no matter what, do you remember the defence of the €9 meal?

In light of Simon Harris’ comments on that ridiculous affair I wonder will the staunch supporters of substantial meals with drinks maybe now admit that it was a nonsense?

‘Yeah, it became a bit of a mockery the last time, if I’m being honest,’ he said.

‘This idea that a plate of chicken goujons can somehow protect you from COVID. What protects you from COVID is social distancing, being safe indoors, wearing your mask, washing your hands, and all those things we’ve learned.’

https://extra.ie/2021/04/21/news/irish-news/wedding-guests-summer#gallery_1

Sobit1964

TrangiaCoffee wrote: »

Thankfully we have fewer tin foil hatters, Trump supporters and climate deniers here in Ireland.

Considerably more Karens and Ned Flanders though.

ypres5

TrangiaCoffee wrote: »

Thankfully we have fewer tin foil hatters, Trump supporters and climate deniers here in Ireland.

So everyone who opposes lockdown is a tinfoil hat wearing, trump supporter climate denier? What do any of those things have to do with covid other than your own lazy pigeonholing?

funnydoggy

TrangiaCoffee wrote: »

Thankfully we have fewer tin foil hatters, Trump supporters and climate deniers here in Ireland.

I am glad to see the back of Trump


I see climate change as one of the biggest challenges we'll face as a species


I wash my hands, I wear my mask, I keep my distance


I hate lockdown. Won't protest against it but that's not what you said.


Where does that put me?


Don't generalise dude

RGS

Stormyteacup wrote: »

And speaking of backing things to the hilt no matter what, do you remember the defence of the €9 meal?

In light of Simon Harris’ comments on that ridiculous affair I wonder will the staunch supporters of substantial meals with drinks maybe now admit that it was a nonsense?

‘Yeah, it became a bit of a mockery the last time, if I’m being honest,’ he said.

‘This idea that a plate of chicken goujons can somehow protect you from COVID. What protects you from COVID is social distancing, being safe indoors, wearing your mask, washing your hands, and all those things we’ve learned.’

https://extra.ie/2021/04/21/news/irish-news/wedding-guests-summer#gallery_1

Yeah but that tool Harris supported the 9 euro meal rule last year. He's great at distancing himself from rules he agreed previously. He never publicly argued against it last year. The usual I'll be liked on social media for opposing it Harris statement..

charlie14

niallo27 wrote: »

Are we following the same science as the rest of Europe.

Whatever this science you believe all the rest of Europe is following I presume you have some scientific data to back it up. Yes/No ?

suicide_circus

normanoffside wrote: »

Nice to see our beloved Gardai keeping us all safe this sunny weekend.

https://twitter.com/gardainfo/status/1385951679703564290?s=21

dickheads

PTH2009

Are cops all over Europe doing the same?

Stormyteacup

RGS wrote: »

Yeah but that tool Harris supported the 9 euro meal rule last year. He's great at distancing himself from rules he agreed previously. He never publicly argued against it last year. The usual I'll be liked on social media for opposing it Harris statement..

Yes true. And that’s the case for all politicians and experts. The politicians make laws and guidelines based on the experts recommendations, and ultimately both are insulated from any repercussions or accountability- no matter the collateral damage or how nonsensical the resulting law in hindsight.

Harris had half the country nodding their heads in agreement with the logic of mandating a €9 meal with drinks.

PTH2009

Stormyteacup wrote: »

Harris had half the country nodding their heads in agreement with the logic of mandating a €9 meal with drinks.

That rule made SFA difference only to the wallet

Spanish Eyes

Reading some of the contributions here is more annoying than Level 4.7 restrictions.

Just grow up, we are near the finish line and a bit of maturity and patience wouldn't go amiss. Too much sacrifice has gone into getting us this far and that shouldn't be jeopardised. Good news on the vaccine front too, I have to hand it to the organisers. Once the supplies arrived it is all systems go.

A lot to look forward to and I feel the most positive I have felt in over a year now, plus the weather today was ace, which helps. Let the negativity go FGS and look forward to better times in a very short while now.

niallo27

charlie14 wrote: »

Whatever this science you believe all the rest of Europe is following I presume you have some scientific data to back it up. Yes/No ?

Back what up, I asked you the question is Europe following a different science to us, what data have I to back up. I don't know that's why I'm asking.

thatsmighty

Outdoor contact sport should return

ypres5

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Reading some of the contributions here is more annoying than Level 4.7 restrictions.

Just grow up, we are near the finish line and a bit of maturity and patience wouldn't go amiss. Too much sacrifice has gone into getting us this far and that shouldn't be jeopardised. Good news on the vaccine front too, I have to hand it to the organisers. Once the supplies arrived it is all systems go.

A lot to look forward to and I feel the most positive I have felt in over a year now, plus the weather today was ace, which helps. Let the negativity go FGS and look forward to better times in a very short while now.

https://www.dublinlive.ie/whats-on/shopping/ireland-lockdown-13-popular-dublin-20458360

Tell that to the lads here who's businesses and livelihoods are down the drain along with thousands of others. I'm sure you'll be telling us all about those sunny better times when the bill arrives although judging by the condescending tone of your post I guess you feel that's everyone else's problem.

hynesie08

ypres5 wrote: »

https://www.dublinlive.ie/whats-on/shopping/ireland-lockdown-13-popular-dublin-20458360

Tell that to the lads here who's businesses and livelihoods are down the drain along with thousands of others. I'm sure you'll be telling us all about those sunny better times when the bill arrives although judging by the condescending tone of your post I guess you feel that's everyone else's problem.

We're blaming debenhams and topshop on covid now? Clutching a bit.

ypres5

hynesie08 wrote: »

We're blaming debenhams and topshop on covid now? Clutching a bit.

What about all the pubs, restaurants and cafes in the article who cited covid as their reason for closing? Clutch at those straws rather than cherry picking what suits you

charlie14

niallo27 wrote: »

Back what up, I asked you the question is Europe following a different science to us, what data have I to back up. I don't know that's why I'm asking.

The only science out there that is going to get us out of this yoyo of lockdowns, which even the most moronic antivax flat earther should see my this stage, is vaccines.

The U.K. were at a much higher percentage of vaccinations before they even began staged openings. We still do not know how successful or not that has been, but the data at the moment looks good.

That is the only science we have on opening. So this science that You appear to believe the rest of Europe has, is it based on them at a higher level of vaccination than we have, is it based on the U.K. data, or is it based on nothing much more than chance it and hope for the best similar to "sure it will most likely be grand, fingers crossed, to allow large crowds at EUFA games in a few week"
You appear to be following what`s going on in Europe more than me, `(I follow their vaccination percentages and I do not see any great differences to here), so you tell me, what science are all these European countries following ?

pjohnson

ypres5 wrote: »

What about all the pubs, restaurants and cafes in the article who cited covid as their reason for closing? Clutch at those straws rather than cherry picking what suits you

Were those pubs already likely to close before covid?

FintanMcluskey

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Reading some of the contributions here is more annoying than Level 4.7 restrictions.

Just grow up, we are near the finish line and a bit of maturity and patience wouldn't go amiss. Too much sacrifice has gone into getting us this far and that shouldn't be jeopardised. Good news on the vaccine front too, I have to hand it to the organisers. Once the supplies arrived it is all systems go.

A lot to look forward to and I feel the most positive I have felt in over a year now, plus the weather today was ace, which helps. Let the negativity go FGS and look forward to better times in a very short while now.

More pontificating nonsense

The finish line is long long way off as MM alluded Friday

"At the end of 2021 I can. There will be a bit of nervousness around the Autumn and Winter because I believe there's a seasonality attached to this virus.

"I think we need to tread a bit over water over the winter but I do think that we can open up over time. I think we need to do it cautiously.

ypres5

pjohnson wrote: »

Were those pubs already likely to close before covid?

Anything to back that up? Several of the pub owners specify the last year as being what caused them to close and I imagine they know their businesses better than you do.

Idbatterim

Anyone here that isn't old or vulnerable, is a hypocrite if they are taking this blackmail vaccine and at same time, bitching and rightfully so, about these nphet and government clowns ! Loads of my mates have decided not to vaccine are, they are zero risky, healthy. Why would you pump your body with this dollar grabbing, risky vaccine... its lunacy...

charlie14

ypres5 wrote: »

What about all the pubs, restaurants and cafes in the article who cited covid as their reason for closing? Clutch at those straws rather than cherry picking what suits you

Pubs restaurants and cafes open before Christmas really work out well :rolleyes: