Relaxation of Restrictions, Part X *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

SEPT 23 1989

they cant turn a profit with outdoor dining with a 15 person limit

you can forget about pubs this summer

hotels will find a way around it though

castletownman

Tony has "said".

Not Tony has "recommended" or "advised".

That sums up the cowardice and kowtowing of the government perfectly.

AlekSmart

gansi wrote: »

Maybe slightly off topic but home heating oil is going up as well on May 1st carbon tax. Adds 19 euro on a 900 liter tank.Maybe not something people are thinking about now as we come into summer but it all adds up quickly.

All an integral part of the Post Covid strategy....Just watch the Increase in Petrol/Diesel,Natural Gas,Meat Products,Alcohol,Foreign Travel (Air or Surface) and as many other items as can be fitted on to the new page.

The increasing ability of the hoi-polloi to sample the benefits of their labour had become worrisome to the wealthier folks who saw the crowed milling around their formerly secluded residences.

People of our Social Class will be prevailed upon to holiday at home,perhaps in a rejuvinated Butlins or other approved Carbon Neutral facility

The others...? well it helps to retain a little bit of mobility...yea ?

https://www.scmp.com/magazines/style/tech-design/article/3001626/which-private-jets-do-tech-billionaires-jeff-bezos-bill

Be very clear this CO2 stuff is'nt appearing just now by accident or chance,it is the next step in the post Covid 19 campaign.

The questions as to mass Human responses in the Internet era have largely been answered inside 12 months,a true giant leap in Human Behavioural study ...what now remains is the reality of the follow through...

Ladies and Gentlemen...you ain't seen nuttin Yet !!

Graham

AlekSmart wrote: »

All an integral part of the Post Covid strategy....Just watch the Increase in Petrol/Diesel,Natural Gas,Meat Products,Alcohol,Foreign Travel (Air or Surface) and as many other items as can be fitted on to the new page.

The increasing ability of the hoi-polloi to sample the benefits of their labour had become worrisome to the wealthier folks who saw the crowed milling around their formerly secluded residences.

People of our Social Class will be prevailed upon to holiday at home,perhaps in a rejuvinated Butlins or other approved Carbon Neutral facility

The others...? well it helps to retain a little bit of mobility...yea ?

https://www.scmp.com/magazines/style/tech-design/article/3001626/which-private-jets-do-tech-billionaires-jeff-bezos-bill

Be very clear this CO2 stuff is'nt appearing just now by accident or chance,it is the next step in the post Covid 19 campaign.

The questions as to mass Human responses in the Internet era have largely been answered inside 12 months,a true giant leap in Human Behavioural study ...what now remains is the reality of the follow through...

Ladies and Gentlemen...you ain't seen nuttin Yet !!

Apparently not. Each time I think we've reached peak conspiracy theory someone proves me completely wrong.

ypres5

Indestructable wrote: »

I've cancelled my staycation this morning. No point in going anywhere with no indoor dining. I was happy to support local economy even if it meant paying a bit more.

I don't understand how the publicans, hotel owners and restauranteurs are so quiet though. Surely they should be putting the pressure on, we really are a docile lot.

Might get abroad later in the year.

As other posters have said before me and as I've come to the same conclusion myself, the only way an irish person will experience complete normality this year is if they go abroad

GiftofGab

Anybody voting for this government again in the next election needs their head examined..the government is running this country into the ground and should never be given even the slightest bit of power again.

They're keeping legitimate businesses closed with no regard for business owners, jobs, economy, mental health and general wellbeing.

ypres5

castletownman wrote: »

Tony has "said".

Not Tony has "recommended" or "advised".

That sums up the cowardice and kowtowing of the government perfectly.

I think part of that phrasing is that when this whole thing goes tits up, the government can try and drop holohan and nphet in the **** and abdicate as much responsibility themselves

AlekSmart

Deleted User wrote: »

Simon Coveney has reinforced this depressing scenario on Radio 1 now: "We are awaiting Tony's position on hospitality by Wednesday, and we will make a decision based on this recommendation".

If you're a traditional pub owner, get ready for another three barren months. Abandoned and neglected by a government elected to "lead", shower of wasters on six figures achieving the square root of f-all.

I'd differ on this.

Governments are elected to GOVERN.

Leadership is secondary.

In modern Western society,Leadership has not been seen as important since the mid point in WW2,and indeed the likes of Churchill,oft described as a Leader,was fairly rapidly slapped in the immediate post war scramble.

America's recent toe-in-the-water with "Leadership" in the old sense,came to an abrupt end in January,as the Political balance was readjusted to bring true power back to those who could be trusted not to get too high on it...;)

So too is it with the rest of the Western World,as state after state returns compliant and respectful Politicians each of whom will check their actions by referencing the experts and doing as they are told.

PS: This stands for the Western World...the East and points beyond tend to be less concerned with the optics...something which may yet be impressed upon us Westerners in a very real fashion

Corholio

GiftofGab wrote: »

Anybody voting for this government again in the next election needs their head examined..the government is running this country into the ground and should never be given even the slightest bit of power again.

They're keeping legitimate businesses closed with no regard for business owners, jobs, economy, mental health and general wellbeing.

Bringing in MHQ will be enough for a lot to vote for these again sadly.

AlekSmart

Graham wrote: »

Apparently not. Each time I think we've reached peak conspiracy theory someone proves me completely wrong.

Well keep up with things then....no snoozing down the back !! :eek:

Doctor Jimbob

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

May and June at least.

People were called paranoid and described as doom mongers on here for saying this summer would be worse than last despite the fact we have vaccines now.

Last summer we had indoor dining and could travel.

Sammy2012

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

People were called paranoid and described as doom mongers on here for saying this summer would be worse than last despite the fact we have vaccines now.

Last summer we had indoor dining and could travel.

Surely we will have something like last summer. No matter what they are saying now they can't realistically keep all indoor dining closed ALL summer? We are going across the country at the end of June and we've decided even if there is a ban still on travel to different counties we are going anyway. No we can cook or get take aways but id love to be able to go to the restaurant but it won't stop us going. Reason being we have been stuck at home for the last 10 months and will be glad to get away. We did get away for a few nights last summer. People will still travel for staycations and the government know this so I can't imagine a lot of things being kept closed all summer.

Penfailed

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Tony has said no indoor dining in May or June.

Not surprising really.

Penfailed

km79 wrote: »

What will that mean for hotels .........we all know that it wont happen in July or possibly august either ......and then sure then we are nearly hitting winter again under the govts reinterpretation of the seasons

No we don't.

Corholio

Penfailed wrote: »

Not surprising really.

Going to play Devils advocate :P but we didn't really expect it in May anyway? Mid-June is when I thought it should be aimed for.

UDAWINNER

Makes me laugh at people think we'll be allowed foreign holidays in June, we may not even have Inter County Travel by then

suicide_circus

Penfailed wrote: »

Not surprising really.

It should be. The majority of the vulnerable are now vaccinated.

Stheno

Corholio wrote: »

Going to play Devils advocate :P but we didn't really expect it in May anyway? Mid-June is when I thought it should be aimed for.

Mid June for indoor is fine imo. I think outdoor should be sooner but no sign of that either

Doctor Jimbob

Stheno wrote: »

Mid June for indoor is fine imo. I think outdoor should be sooner but no sign of that either

Early May for outdoor and mid June for indoor would be reasonable. I have little faith in that happening considering the kites about an outdoor summer which have been going around for months now.

We'll be lucky if we get outdoor dining in June at this rate.

KanyeSouthEast

Penfailed wrote: »

Not surprising really.

What’s your feeling on when inter county and foreign travel will be allowed and indoor dining?

Penfailed

AlekSmart wrote: »

All an integral part of the Post Covid strategy....Just watch the Increase in Petrol/Diesel,Natural Gas,Meat Products,Alcohol,Foreign Travel (Air or Surface) and as many other items as can be fitted on to the new page.

The increasing ability of the hoi-polloi to sample the benefits of their labour had become worrisome to the wealthier folks who saw the crowed milling around their formerly secluded residences.

People of our Social Class will be prevailed upon to holiday at home,perhaps in a rejuvinated Butlins or other approved Carbon Neutral facility

The others...? well it helps to retain a little bit of mobility...yea ?

https://www.scmp.com/magazines/style/tech-design/article/3001626/which-private-jets-do-tech-billionaires-jeff-bezos-bill

Be very clear this CO2 stuff is'nt appearing just now by accident or chance,it is the next step in the post Covid 19 campaign.

The questions as to mass Human responses in the Internet era have largely been answered inside 12 months,a true giant leap in Human Behavioural study ...what now remains is the reality of the follow through...

Ladies and Gentlemen...you ain't seen nuttin Yet !!

Ways to combat climate change have been talked about since the 80s. Remember CFCs? It's not the next step in the Covid campaign. It's been going on for years.

Penfailed

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

People were called paranoid and described as doom mongers on here for saying this summer would be worse than last despite the fact we have vaccines now.

Last summer we had indoor dining and could travel.

Not in May and June.

Penfailed

suicide_circus wrote: »

It should be. The majority of the vulnerable are now vaccinated.

It's Holohan though. I'm certainly not surprised by his utterances.

Doctor Jimbob

Penfailed wrote: »

Not in May and June.

Micheal Martin is going on about an outdoor summer, not an outdoor May and June.

_Kaiser_

UDAWINNER wrote: »

Makes me laugh at people think we'll be allowed foreign holidays in June, we may not even have Inter County Travel by then

Yep, and more worryingly is how some people seem willing to accept whatever Tony comes out with without question or whether it makes sense.

As I said earlier and previously, look forward to a MORE restricted summer than we had last year :rolleyes:

This is simply not the deadly killer virus we feared this time last year. That is the fact that is substantiated by the numbers over the last 13 months.

The only ones who shouldn't be allowed indoor dining or socialising are those very few actually vulnerable people awaiting vaccinations. Everyone else and everything else should be able to do whatever they like.

Not in a fortnight, not next month.. Tomorrow!

Doctor Jimbob

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Yep, and more worryingly is how some people seem willing to accept whatever Tony comes out with without question or whether it makes sense.

As I said earlier and previously, look forward to a MORE restricted summer than we had last year :rolleyes:

This is simply not the deadly killer virus we feared this time last year. That is the fact that is substantiated by the numbers over the last 13 months.

The only ones who shouldn't be allowed indoor dining or socialising are those very few actually vulnerable people awaiting vaccinations. Everyone else and everything else should be able to do whatever they like.

Not in a fortnight, not next month.. Tomorrow!

At best it sounds like we're looking at the same restrictions as last summer. It's hard not to be disappointed with that considering the progress we're making with vaccines.

scamalert

UDAWINNER wrote: »

Makes me laugh at people think we'll be allowed foreign holidays in June, we may not even have Inter County Travel by then

.

_Kaiser_

Penfailed wrote: »

Not in May and June.

The restrictions last year ended mid to late May last year when the Gardai stopped enforcing travel restrictions and everything bar pubs was open with some limits.

No travel restrictions, no masks either - and yet the numbers still fell to single digits.

It's a seasonal virus. Over 99% aren't at significant risk anyway. Enough is more than enough at this stage.

Penfailed

KanyeSouthEast wrote: »

What’s your feeling on when inter county and foreign travel will be allowed and indoor dining?

Not a clue. It'll not be soon enough, that's for sure. We should be allowed to travel anywhere in the country NOW. I'm ambivalent about foreign travel. I love touring this place in our campervan. Indoor dining? I'm hoping it'll commence before the end of June. Who knows...

_Kaiser_

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

At best it sounds like we're looking at the same restrictions as last summer. It's hard not to be disappointed with that considering the progress we're making with vaccines.

They're actually more restrictive Jim.

Last year we had no mandates on masks and travel restrictions ended late May when the Gardai stopped putting up checkpoints.

We've actually gone backwards this year despite the above and vaccines

km79

Penfailed wrote: »

No we don't.

July is still in summer last I checked ......

Penfailed

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

The restrictions last year ended mid to late May last year when the Gardai stopped enforcing travel restrictions and everything bar pubs was open with some limits.

You'd better tell that to all the people in this thread that think we've been locked down for thirteen months.

FintanMcluskey

Been a long 13 months

_Kaiser_

Penfailed wrote: »

You'd better tell that to all the people in this thread that think we've been locked down for thirteen months.

You know exactly the period I was referring to.

FintanMcluskey

Penfailed wrote: »

Not a clue. It'll not be soon enough, that's for sure. We should be allowed to travel anywhere in the country NOW. I'm ambivalent about foreign travel. I love touring this place in our campervan. Indoor dining? I'm hoping it'll commence before the end of June. Who knows...

I’ll agree with you here

If they open up Ireland I’ll load up the boat and shut up

For a while at least

Not one bit surprised about these latest utterances. Depressing to say the least and not at all coincidental with the return of Saint Tony.
Where is the personal responsibility and sense of balance here? Nowhere to be found between NPHET and the Govt. The only thing about the Govt is who is the alternative? The loony left are not what I’d want that’s for sure, an even bigger bunch of clowns.
It’s like never driving again in case you crash. Absolutely ridiculous.
What’s the point of a staycation with no indoor dining or pubs? They’ll have a job keeping the vaccinated in the country with a vaccine passport coming down the line too.
Just wait it out lads, once we get jabbed onto the first Ryanair going, it’ll be the only way to have a “meaningful summer”

suicide_circus

Penfailed wrote: »

It's Holohan though. I'm certainly not surprised by his utterances.

The utter contempt for liberty and the pursuit of happiness as trivial irrelivencies is sickening. The dismissive attitude to the things which give people's lives meaning and quality. Disruption to our way of life is not something to be shrugged off as inconsequential. How f*cking dare they. Every moment restrictions are continued "just in case" is an unacceptable violation.

titan18

I'd be surprised if we have outdoor dining before the June bank holiday. I'm expecting the earliest that will be is the weekend after that. Same with inter county travel, and indoor probably be July before they have to put vaccine passports in place for the EU.

They'll be aware that if they reopen inter county travel earlier, loads will just go to NI.

All I reckon we've got in May is hairdressers and non essential retail. Cinemas, outdoor hospitality and maybe even gyms will all be June at this stage I'd say.

_Kaiser_

suicide_circus wrote: »

The utter contempt for liberty and the pursuit of happiness as trivial irrelivencies is sickening. The dismissive attitude to the things which give people's lives meaning and quality. Disruption to our way of life is not something to be shrugged off as inconsequential. How f*cking dare they. Every moment restrictions are continued "just in case" is an unacceptable violation.

This.. Exactly this.

What's worse is how easily some people are willing to accept this curtailing of what were and should be fundamental freedoms and rights.

Restrictions should be the very minimum needed to address a clearly defined and measured risk, justified appropriately, and last ONLY as long as absolutely necessary.

Instead we have allowed a situation where the most restrictive measures have become the default and the restoration of our rights is what has to be justified.

It's both shocking how easily led and compliant the general public have become, and how easily our "leaders" have slipped into the role of enforcers.

titan18

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

The restrictions last year ended mid to late May last year when the Gardai stopped enforcing travel restrictions and everything bar pubs was open with some limits.

No travel restrictions, no masks either - and yet the numbers still fell to single digits.

It's a seasonal virus. Over 99% aren't at significant risk anyway. Enough is more than enough at this stage.

Lots of stuff didn't reopen until June 28th last season. That was the date for cinemas, hairdressers etc. There was feck all in May last year reopened.

Corholio

titan18 wrote: »

I'd be surprised if we have outdoor dining before the June bank holiday. I'm expecting the earliest that will be is the weekend after that. Same with inter county travel, and indoor probably be July before they have to put vaccine passports in place for the EU.

They'll be aware that if they reopen inter county travel earlier, loads will just go to NI.

All I reckon we've got in May is hairdressers and non essential retail. Cinemas, outdoor hospitality and maybe even gyms will all be June at this stage I'd say.

The truth is plenty will be going to NI anyway, soon as UK open up travel from May 17th plenty will head up, even having to do tests etc.

titan18

Corholio wrote: »

The truth is plenty will be going to NI anyway, soon as UK open up travel from May 17th plenty will head up, even having to do tests etc.

It'll be impossible to stop people living in border counties but I'd say there'll be a good few checkpoints on the rest of us when inter county travel is still banned.

_Kaiser_

titan18 wrote: »

It'll be impossible to stop people living in border counties but I'd say there'll be a good few checkpoints on the rest of us when inter county travel is still banned.

McEntee came out during the week and said that they won't be trying to stop people in border counties alright.

Corholio

titan18 wrote: »

It'll be impossible to stop people living in border counties but I'd say there'll be a good few checkpoints on the rest of us when inter county travel is still banned.

Possibly yes but they can't have checkpoints everywhere from May until July, or whenever this lot decide it's ok to travel. People will still travel up via public transport and indeed just regular transport.

titan18

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

McEntee came out during the week and said that they won't be trying to stop people in border counties alright.

Yup, but as long as inter county ban is there, guarantee they'll try and stop people from Dublin or elsewhere going north.

MOR316

MOR316 wrote: »

The Euros aren't until the end of June...
Government think it's risky putting people within 4 or 5 seats of one another, outside, at the end of June...

Having a laugh if people think they'll open up this summer

As I said the other day...

No coincidence the recent positive feeling about things has turned negative and cautious as soon as Tony Holohan returns...

Natterjack from Kerry

titan18 wrote: »

It'll be impossible to stop people living in border counties but I'd say there'll be a good few checkpoints on the rest of us when inter county travel is still banned.

True. Effectively the border counties have had lower restrictions throughout, as they have had free choice to choose whichever jurisdiction has the lower restrictions at any given time, as long as within travel restrictions distance of the border. So can now go there to shop, pubs, barbers etc, or holiday there ahead of the other 21 counties Thats simply a side effect of the politics of the island though, and its correct that restrictions on people in non border counties should be restricted from doing the same. If anything, the checks on people from the 21 counties will have to be upped to stop a real surge northwards for the next few months.

Sadler Peak

Great to see one part of the island opening up.

Pisss poor this part of the island.

suicide_circus

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

What's worse is how easily some people are willing to accept this curtailing of what were and should be fundamental freedoms and rights.

Stockholm Syndrome.

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Restrictions should be the very minimum needed to address a clearly defined and measured risk, justified appropriately, and last ONLY as long as absolutely necessary.

Instead we have allowed a situation where the most restrictive measures have become the default and the restoration of our rights is what has to be justified.

Lockdown is now as you say the default position. It's the normal state of affairs. Deviation from this position (easing of restrictions) is seen as radical.

PTH2009

You have to laugh

Pathetic leadership leaving the decisions to NPHET no questions asked