Relaxation of Restrictions, Part X *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

Doctor Jimbob

Penfailed wrote: »

That's dangerous. The place will be overrun with wild animals...

It's near Dublin city centre. Won't be much of a change from the norm.

Sharpyshoot

Penfailed wrote: »

That's dangerous. The place will be overrun with wild animals...

It’s outdoors so it’s safe.

gozunda

Kivaro wrote: »

The EU announced today that fully vaccinated Americans can come to Europe for holidays this summer, so what is Ireland going to do?
Bars and restaurants in large portions of Italy are now open for outdoor dining and drinking. And what is happening in Ireland?

With the €12 billion in spending cuts announced by Minister McGrath this morning, has the Irish government done any type of cost/benefit analysis on the damage done by continuing with Level 5 restrictions to our economy for a country with such a low number of hospitalisations and ICU cases?

Why is Ireland so "special" that we have the longest and strictest lockdown on the planet? I thought that Irish humans were part of the vertebrates group? This is certainly not apparent in our Dail.

Interesting about the US. The US State Department released a statement on the 19th with the advisory that it "strongly recommends U.S. citizens reconsider all travel abroad. With the State Department icaning against travel to 80% of the world

As a result of the update, some 8 out of 10 nations around the globe are classified as “Level 4: Do Not Travel.” More than 100 countries were recategorized Level 4, including popular destinations such as Canada, France, Mexico and the U.K."

Ireland is also on the list for Do Not Travel.

Afaik its something to do with the Pandemic. But I could be wrong :cool:

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/04/24/covid-80-percent-of-world-is-unsafe-for-travel-amid-pandemic-state-dept-warns.html

https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/traveladvisories/traveladvisories/ireland-travel-advisory.html

And bars etc may be reopening in Italy but currently Italy has a minimum five-day quarantine for all European arrivals or Italians arriving from European destinations. All arrivals will have to take a negative test at the end of the five days in order to leave quarantine. Otherwise travelers must remain in quarantine until they show a negative test.

Travelers from Austria and Non-European countries must quarantine for 14 days, with another mandatory test at the end of the period..

Italy opening of restaurants etc comes with the provisio that country is still recording thousands of new infections each day and a stubbornly high Covid-19 death toll. Virologists and scientists in Italy advising the government have voiced concern about easing of these restrictions too soon...

Btw we "don't have the longest and strictest lockdown on the planet"...

I guess with all that we're trying to keep our rate of infection down until we get at least 50% of tte adult population vaccinated as per international best practice atm.

Multipass

suicide_circus wrote: »

Would be great if every news story and article about covid had to start by stating it's survival rate.

And if every news story about case numbers in India had to start by stating the population (1.4 billion), and how many die there each year from malnutrition or easy preventable diseases.

suicide_circus

Sharpyshoot wrote: »

It’s outdoors so it’s safe.

My garden is outdoors

Boggles

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

Cans to mass isn't a bad shout. Could make a drinking game out of it - take a drink every time people stand up or sit down, down the rest of the can when they kneel. You'd be in great form by the end of it.

You do have a point on hearsay, but if this does end up being announced I really can't see the logic in it. Indoors is risky. Even as someone in favour of speeding our opening, I'd be hesitant about being too hasty when it comes to anything indoors.

50 ould wans spaced 10 meters apart masked on a Sunday morning listening to a priest helped by a couple other people, the majority of which will probably have been vaccinated is a world apart from letting 10s of 1000s of people back to work in cramped kitchens and bars all over the country, where a false since of security would only be natural.

That's before you even consider the gathering before and most definitely after any of these outdoor sessions by the likes of me.

dalyboy

Boggles wrote: »

I know sure, I used always bring cans to mass and make a bit of Super Sunday out of it.

Seriously though, things are opening up, more today, contrarian nitpicking based on hear say will just drive you nuts.

Haha
Brilliant
So people who want the country open are the contrarians

I thought the contrarians were the people who originally shut down the economy and society disproportionately to a 99.7% survivable virus.

The same people who now still continue to claim most outside sports/dining/drinking is unsafe (with a confirmation of 0.1% outdoor transmission)

The same people who procrastinate to show a plan to reopen Ireland in line with our vaccine of the over 60’s and over 65 vulnerable already complete?

Are they not the real contrarians?

Lumen

suicide_circus wrote: »

Would be great if every news story and article about covid had to start by stating it's survival rate.

"95% of students in school not killed in latest US minority shooting incident"
"2.8 million Irish drivers were not involved in a single vehicle road accident in Donegal yesterday"
"Mother-of-not-eighteen through to the Love Island final"

suicide_circus

Not quite the same

robbiezero

Boggles wrote: »

50 ould wans spaced 10 meters apart masked on a Sunday morning listening to a priest helped by a couple other people, the majority of which will probably have been vaccinated is a world apart from letting 10s of 1000s of people back to work in cramped kitchens and bars all over the country, where a false since of security would only be natural.

That's before you even consider the gathering before and most definitely after any of these outdoor sessions by the likes of me.

How are the takeaways working if they are not going into their cramped kitchen?

Quantum Erasure

It's a mostly harmless disease

Doctor Jimbob

Boggles wrote: »

50 ould wans spaced 10 meters apart masked on a Sunday morning listening to a priest helped by a couple other people, the majority of which will probably have been vaccinated is a world apart from letting 10s of 1000s of people back to work in cramped kitchens and bars all over the country, where a false since of security would only be natural.

That's before you even consider the gathering before and most definitely after any of these outdoor sessions by the likes of me.

Depends on the church to be fair, some are far too small to allow that much spacing. That's probably getting far to deep into the what ifs though, there could well be different rules based on available space. Kitchens are open at the moment, most restaurants near me are doing delivery and takeaway - with plenty of people eating outdoors anyway. What's the harm in making it official?

I'm of the opinion that most people who want to gather are doing so anyway at this point. I can't see outdoor dining making a significant difference to that.

dalyboy

robbiezero wrote: »

How are the takeaways working if they are not going into their cramped kitchen?

The takeaway kitchens , super market staff at the deli and staff canteen , and off licenses etc are covered under the “magic shield”.

It’s the same magic shield that also shielded customers who had a substantial meal / beer for €9 last summer

gozunda

dalyboy wrote: »

Haha
Brilliant
So people who want the country open are the contrarians

I thought the contrarians were the people who originally shut down the economy and society disproportionately to a 99.7% survivable virus. The same people who now still continue to claim most outside sports/dining/drinking is unsafe (with a confirmation of 0.1% outdoor transmission) The same people who procrastinate to show a plan to reopen Ireland in line with our vaccine of the over 60’s and over 65 vulnerable already complete? Are they not the real contrarians?

Delighted you find the issue of the pandemic so hilarious. Maybe share the joke with the people in India...

But I digress. Youre 0 1% figure was rightly held up to ridicule. It was determined by a survey which measured transmission here during lockdown where outdoor activities had already been heavily restricted.

The accepted figure internationally is approx 10% but that presumes outdoor activities which do not include close contact or socialising amongst groups of people.

Btw I really don't know where you are finding "these people" but afaik 50% of a countrries adult population vaccinated is now accepted as international best practice before removing restrictions / opening up.

We're no where near that- and already we've had a rollback of restrictions and still we get people whinging. Go figure

Klonker

I'm getting so annoyed at the leaks over the weekend in terms of easing restrictions. Just when we think it can't be any slower, Tony comes back and we add another month on to the finish line.

We've been in lockdown since Christmas. Other EU countries eased restrictions earlier in the year but we didn't as we didn't want to have to 'take a step back' but the idea I always thought and that we were being sold was that we'd be in a better place come the summer.

But now the summer is coming upon us and some of those EU countries had/have rising rates and had to take a step back but do people actually believe they won't ease their restrictions before us again? Does anyone think any other country in the EU will have no outside dining until June or indoor dining until July? No it'll just be us just to be 'cautious', even though we have the youngest population and amoung the lowest current rates at the moment.

When NPHET give their recommendations do they use projections to back up the recommendations? It would be interesting to see what projections they gave if they did. Whatever about now, almost all over 60s and the high risk groups (cohorts 4 & 7) will have had at least a first dose by then and we'll probably be at around 50% of adults with a forest dose. How can they justify no intercounty travel or indoor dining by then? I'd love to see the modelling where hospitals and ICUs are filling up at that stage.

Sharpyshoot

It would be a fine thing just to write off the summer as we will be in lockdown over next winter anyway.

Boggles

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

Kitchens are open at the moment, most restaurants near me are doing delivery and takeaway

Indeed and that is why there reported outbreaks in them and retail.

When you scale it up with more staffing required and the inevitable increase in contacts and offsite outbreaks, the age profile of people who work industry, etc, etc.

There is no real comparison to be made with allowing very limited amounts of masked people into mass, masked, who large numbers of have probably been vaccinated.

growleaves

'The international situation is feeding into a renewed sense of caution for the Taoiseach over the weekend.' - Newstalk

Lol

big syke

Any whispers of adult amateur team sports returning?

dalyboy

gozunda wrote: »

Delighted you find the issue of the pandemic so hilarious. Maybe share the joke with the people in India...

But I digress. Youre 0 1% figure was rightly held up to ridicule. It was determined by a survey which measured transmission here during lockdown where outdoor activities had already been heavily restricted.

The accepted figure internationally is approx 10% but that presumes outdoor activities which do not include close contact or socialising amongst groups of people.

Btw I really don't know where you are finding "these people" but afaik 50% of a countrries adult population vaccinated is now accepted as international best practice before removing restrictions / opening up.

We're no where near that- and already we've had a rollback of restrictions and still we get people whinging. Go figure

Wow. An amazing example of nit picking
I never implied that I found hilarity in deaths of anyone.

I couldn’t read the rest of your post past that obvious straw man 1st paragraph

Tenzor07

dalyboy wrote: »

I couldn’t read the rest of your post past that obvious straw man 1st paragraph

You're right!

It's amazing how some people pick up this "But India" argument when they don't have a clue about the country and the full picture there.... they never even gave a second thought to the country before this...

FintanMcluskey

Really uplifting waking up this morning to Ireland’s easing of restrictions

We are now aligned to what the rest of the EU considers a very strict lockdown

gozunda

dalyboy wrote: »

Wow. An amazing example of nit picking
I never implied that I found hilarity in deaths of anyone.

I couldn’t read the rest of your post past that obvious straw man 1st paragraph

Was it?

I referred to this piece of ....

dalyboy wrote:

Haha
Brilliant
So people who want the country open are the contrarians. I thought the contrarians were the people who originally shut down the economy and society disproportionately to a 99.7% survivable virus

And no its not just 'deaths'. But you know that already...

And that study with the 0.1% remains a measure of transmission for outdoor activities only during the lockdown. Not really surprising the result was low tbh. Bit like counting cars when carparks are closed.

But yeah everything else is simply "contrarians" and "stawmen" ...

KrustyUCC

big syke wrote: »

Any whispers of adult amateur team sports returning?

Yes its been looked at for May

robbiezero

gozunda wrote: »

Delighted you find the issue of the pandemic so hilarious. Maybe share the joke with the people in India...

But I digress. Youre 0 1% figure was rightly held up to ridicule. It was determined by a survey which measured transmission here during lockdown where outdoor activities had already been heavily restricted.

The accepted figure internationally is approx 10% but that presumes outdoor activities which do not include close contact or socialising amongst groups of people.

Btw I really don't know where you are finding "these people" but afaik 50% of a countrries adult population vaccinated is now accepted as international best practice before removing restrictions / opening up.

We're no where near that- and already we've had a rollback of restrictions and still we get people whinging. Go figure

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/slight-bias-in-data-on-covid-19-outdoor-transmission-prof-says-1106944.html

However, Prof Fanning nonetheless said the data was reassuring and that financial supports to encourage outdoor dining should be “much higher” so that Ireland could become an outdoor dining society.

“The 0.1 per cent [of cases linked to outdoor transmission] is probably the lower limit of what it could go to, I imagine that is somewhere between that and one per cent, but it's still extremely good news,” he said.

Weird. He mentions a "slight bias", but hardly ridicule. Can you link to where the figure has "been held up to ridicule".

MadYaker

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Really uplifting waking up this morning to Ireland’s easing of restrictions

We are now aligned to what the rest of the EU considers a very strict lockdown

I have to wonder where you get your news from. Do you ever have any idea what’s going on?

Mod

Week off for breach of threadban

Tipsy McSwagger

Today is being called Happy Monday in Scotland, everything is opening back up.

big syke

Tenzor07 wrote: »

You're right!

It's amazing how some people pick up this "But India" argument when they don't have a clue about the country and the full picture there.... they never even gave a second thought to the country before this...

I think there needs to be a little bit of perspective on the entre India situation.

Yes its awful, really awful.

However to even hint we could end up like them by moving too quick on restrictions is a bit of a stretch.

1 India has for the past 6 months been a country where you would think Covid did not exist. No masks, no distancing, mass gatherings.

2 Total reopening of society in December. Not an irish 6 day opening a total opening of everything.

3 Mumbai,Kolkata and Delhei is the 3rd, 6th and 10th most densely populated city in the world. If you think gatherings in galways beach was packed think this x 100 constantly in these cities

4 Poor hygiene (hand washing) and one of the most poverty stricken countires in the world (70% are classes as living in poverty)

gozunda

robbiezero wrote: »

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/slight-bias-in-data-on-covid-19-outdoor-transmission-prof-says-1106944.html

Weird. He mentions a "slight bias", but hardly ridicule. Can you link to where the figure has "been held up to ridicule".

So you reckon a study which measured transmission for outdoor activities when there was fuk all outdoor activities taking place a fair measure of transmissibility?

That study been discussed here many times already. But sure feel free to hang you hat on it :rolleyes:

big syke

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Yes its been looked at for May

Oh really? That would be really great. Presume 15 pod non contact type job.

Tenzor07

big syke wrote: »

I think there needs to be a little bit of perspective on the entre India situation.
Yes its awful, really awful.
However to even hint we could end up like them by moving too quick on restrictions is a bit of a stretch.

It's absolutely nuts to try and compare the situation in India to Ireland and anyone who does so really needs to hermetically seal themselves in their homes and never emerge again...

big syke

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Yes the same as Juvenile training this week

Hopefully we can move to full contact training and games sooner rather than later. For both kids and adults.

KrustyUCC

big syke wrote: »

Oh really? That would be really great. Presume 15 pod non contact type job.

Sports training outdoors for the over-18s was also expected to resume in May, the Taoiseach said

Yeah I'd expect similar to Juvenile training returning this week

Matches possibly in June at a guess

KrustyUCC

big syke wrote: »

Hopefully we can move to full contact training and games sooner rather than later. For both kids and adults.

True

I was thinking of retiring over the winter but now I'm gung ho for another year

robbiezero

gozunda wrote: »

So you reckon a study which measured transmission for outdoor activities when there was fuk all outdoor activities taking place a fair measure of transmissibility?

That study been discussed here many times already. But sure feel free to hang you hat on it :rolleyes:

So no ridicule then. More bullsh1t as usual.

ypres5

gozunda wrote: »

So you reckon a study which measured transmission for outdoor activities when there was fuk all outdoor activities taking place a fair measure of transmissibility?

That study been discussed here many times already. But sure feel free to hang you hat on it :rolleyes:

But who's ' held it up to ridicule' don't dodge the question with your usual word and emoji salad

bear1

gozunda wrote: »

So you reckon a study which measured transmission for outdoor activities when there was fuk all outdoor activities taking place a fair measure of transmissibility?

That study been discussed here many times already. But sure feel free to hang you hat on it :rolleyes:

I'm very curious, what do you think is the correct course of action and why?

scamalert

bear1 wrote: »

I'm very curious, what do you think is the correct course of action and why?

let me google that for you :cool: we have experts that a year back would had issues with basic maths now claiming to be equally educated in politics finance and travel all in one, amazing what you can do once you harvest power of internet yet in reality prob never traveled past front window curtains.

Parachutes

The Covidians are getting desperate now, they can sense their beloved lockdown will be coming to an end soon. Expect them to get even more deranged the next while as they desperately try clamour on to their little lockdown paradise.

Boggles

big syke wrote: »

1 India has for the past 6 months been a country where you would think Covid did not exist. No masks, no distancing, mass gatherings.

That's not even remotely true, they eased way too much at the beginning February because their leader is a populous cretin.

India will allow swimming pools, cinemas, and large group gatherings of any size in areas outside of designated “containment zones,” the country’s Ministry of Home Affairs said in a new set of guidelines issued Wednesday.

The new rules are set to take effect from February 1 after a period of declining cases of Covid-19 in the country.

The ministry is expected to define operating procedures for these venues but cinemas will no longer be capped at 50% capacity and swimming pools will open to the general public instead of being reserved for athletes. States may decide to place additional restrictions if they deem it necessary to control the spread.

The limit on gatherings of 200 people indoors and caps based on the size of the outdoor space have been lifted.

Now the criminals are making a fortune selling black market oxygen because hospitals don't have any.

There is no cheat sheet, all though listening to this thread Covid was only meant to be a 1st world problem.

But we can't mention India now, Go figure.

gozunda

big syke wrote: »

I think there needs to be a little bit of perspective on the entre India situation.Yes its awful, really awful.

However to even hint we could end up like them by moving too quick on restrictions is a bit of a stretch.

1 India has for the past 6 months been a country where you would think Covid did not exist. No masks, no distancing, mass gatherings.

2 Total reopening of society in December. Not an irish 6 day opening a total opening of everything.

3 Mumbai,Kolkata and Delhei is the 3rd, 6th and 10th most densely populated city in the world. If you think gatherings in galways beach was packed think this x 100 constantly in these cities

4 Poor hygiene (hand washing) and one of the most poverty stricken countires in the world (70% are classes as living in poverty)

Yeah perspective here's some more

1. India had one of the lowest rates of case fatality for covid in the world up to and including recent months.

https://www.pharmaceutical-technology.com/comment/decline-covid-19-india-unclear/

2. Low rates of fatality and cases led to calls for a reduction of restrictions and mask wearing.

3. As a result of the roll back of some restrictions - crowds attended religious festivals and political rallies as well as increased socialisation and travel. Although other essential restrictions stayed in place.

4. A new variant which is being investigated for higher levels of transmissibility has been identified as a (potential) driver of the current wave of infections

4. In terms of achieving herd immunity through vaccination - India is amongst the world leaders in absolute number of vaccinations and has so far injected 117 million vaccine doses. Currently they have approx 8 % of their population vaccinated as opposed to about 17% here. It also has a large percentage of younger age groups in its population.


But yeah nothing like that has ever or could happen here ...

KrustyUCC

Subtle change in language used in easing of restrictions

"Sources say Government plans are on track to allow for the reopening of guesthouses and hotels in the month of June, and to lift the ban on travelling outside county boundaries at the same time."

Before the return of St Tony intercounty travel was mooted for after the Bank Holiday weekend while guesthouses/hotels was mid June

In the month of June means the end of June

"It is thought indoor hospitality will only fully resume some time in July."

If it's not in place for 1st of July then forget staycations with hotel restaurants closed


https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/covid-reopening-varadkar-says-absolute-goal-is-to-avoid-fourth-wave-1117495.html

July and August crucial for hospitality

The government also will run into issues with Europesn green card

Allowing incoming travelers in July which they will need to do yet having fines for foreign holidays for people in this country will be some contradiction

Ktek

What are the chances of creeping lockdowns after all this ?

Too much traffic in the city centre ?

Lockdown cars and commute by bus only !

Hey it worked for covid

Tenzor07

More crazy unscientific restrictions highlighted in the Indo:

https://www.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/mass-confusion-up-to-50-people-allowed-at-mass-from-mid-may-but-not-for-weddings-or-funerals-40354914.html

50 at mass but not a funeral?? What the heck?

JRant

growleaves wrote: »

'The international situation is feeding into a renewed sense of caution for the Taoiseach over the weekend.' - Newstalk

Lol

Another example of them pick and choosing whatever suits their narrative. The UK are going great but let's focus on india and other far flung places as we obviously have more in common with them.

KrustyUCC

Tenzor07 wrote: »

More crazy unscientific restrictions highlighted in the Indo:

https://www.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/mass-confusion-up-to-50-people-allowed-at-mass-from-mid-may-but-not-for-weddings-or-funerals-40354914.html

50 at mass but not a funeral?? What the heck?

They're worried about the socialisation afterwards apparently

Funny though you can't have anybody in your garden outdoors either yet they're allowing 50 indoors for mass

big syke

Boggles wrote: »

That's not even remotely true, they eased way too much at the beginning February because their leader is a populous cretin.



Now the criminals are making a fortune selling black market oxygen because hospitals don't have any.

There is no cheat sheet, all though listening to this thread Covid was only meant to be a 1st world problem.

But we can't mention India now, Go figure.

I agree about theit leader but it is true. I know for a fact what it has been like in the largest city in India since October and it only gotten worse since the great opening of December. Have you been to India recently or know anyone living there?

There have been large gatherings, and in general

No one said we cant mention India but when some its hard to comparet India and Ireland with regards to easing outdoor dining and other restirctions that make sense.

Can you not see the difference between the 2 nations? Honestly ?

KrustyUCC

JRant wrote: »

Another example of them pick and choosing whatever suits their narrative. The UK are going great but let's focus on india and other far flung places as we obviously have more in common with them.

Yet when most European countries were far less restricted last year we still insisted on the slowest reopening here

No mind for international situation then

funnydoggy

Tenzor07 wrote: »

More crazy unscientific restrictions highlighted in the Indo:

https://www.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/mass-confusion-up-to-50-people-allowed-at-mass-from-mid-may-but-not-for-weddings-or-funerals-40354914.html

50 at mass but not a funeral?? What the heck?

I dislike the Indo but "Mass confusion" is genius

shtpEdthePlum

Fuhk this I'm having a garden party, i don't even care