Relaxation of Restrictions, Part X *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

SusanC10

I know that new information comes to hand but it does annoy me when IT in particular create an alert, so you read the article and then a few minutes later they edit the article and keep editing it and it changes the information.

11521323

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

If these leaks are true I'll take an extended break from giving out. It looks like things could be moving much quicker than expected.

Yet much slower than most of the World. What people are willing to accept in this country is baffling. I cant grasp what circulates through your mind.

11521323

Kiith wrote: »

A plan is what most people want, so if they can finally do that, most people will actually be happy with it.

I'll believe it when i see it though.

They haven't even mentioned stuff like weddings, etc. There is no excuse to not have everything opened and full capacity by September but something tells me they'll do everything they can to avoid making a decision.

daydorunrun

SusanC10 wrote: »

What about Kids ? Who can't be vaccinated yet.
No mention anywhere of them in there.

Edit - they seem to have edited there after I read it the first time to mention Grandparents/Grandchildren.

I hope kids won’t require vaccinations until full and in-depth trials on the use of mRNA vaccines are carried out on kids. They have been passed for emergency use in adults. There is no need for emergency use in kids so there should be fully trialled.

Doctor Jimbob

11521323 wrote: »

Yet much slower than most of the World. What people are willing to accept in this country is baffling. I cant grasp what circulates through your mind.

We'll be in a similar position to most of the world in a matter of weeks based on the leaks this evening. If I wanted to nitpick there's a few things I'd like to go differently, but it's still far better than I was expecting. Especially in the context of the government's repeated insistence that they want to avoid any lockdowns after this one.

Aph2016

The UK and NI have forced the government's hands.

NIMAN

leahyl wrote: »

Leak said end of May now, I think

Well to be fair, the end of May is June.

SusanC10

11521323 wrote: »

They haven't even mentioned stuff like weddings, etc. There is no excuse to not have everything opened and full capacity by September but something tells me they'll do everything they can to avoid making a decision.

Weddings are mentioned in the edited version of the IT article. (See my post above on why I hate the editing!)

0lddog

Stheno wrote: »

Now this is extremely surprising to me

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1387475173067182084?s=20

Might there have been a meeting between Mr Watt and Dr Holohan ?

Might Dr Holohan have come of second best ?

ypres5

This talk of vaccine dividends is pure discriminatory against younger people like me who have no problem being vaccinated but are held back by the governments already agonizingly slow rollout which'll be even slower due to the harebrained decision made regarding the restrictions put on the astrazeneca and j&j vaccines.

Zebra3

Aph2016 wrote: »

The UK and NI have forced the government's hands.

Yep and it’s been mentioned here plenty of times.

The magic money tree potentially running out and the thoughts of Paddy and Mary having a weekend in Belfast seems to be causing a Berlin Wall like collapse.

sporina

intercounty travel from when??? i'm confused

Stheno

sporina wrote: »

intercounty travel from when??? i'm confused

10th apparently

Zebra3

sporina wrote: »

intercounty travel from when??? i'm confused

Go travel inter county now if you feel like it.

SusanC10

sporina wrote: »

intercounty travel from when??? i'm confused

I can't see a confirmed Date. Though based on earlier comments from Eamonn Ryan, it could be June 7th to match the alleged date for Hotels etc. But who knows ?!

undertaker fan 88

SusanC10 wrote: »

I can't see a confirmed Date. Though based on earlier comments from Eamonn Ryan, it could be June 7th to match the alleged date for Hotels etc. But who knows ?!

May 10th

SusanC10

undertaker fan 88 wrote: »

May 10th

Where are you seeing that ?

I have only read the ever-changing IT article linked above which does not give a date for inter-county travel.

Stheno

SusanC10 wrote: »

Where are you seeing that ?

I have only read the ever-changing IT article linked above which does not give a date for inter-county travel.

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1387463388104642563?s=19

TomSweeney

https://niallboylan.com/ivor-cummins-talks-about-covid-19-and-lockdowns/

Great podcast!

ArthurDayne

charlie14 wrote: »

So are you actually saying that social distancing, mask wearing,capacity limits, limitation of large crowd events, remote working, limiting numbers on trains and buses during rush hour and peoples on sense of self preservation were all that was needed to keep numbers and deaths down and ensure health services would not come under severe pressure without the need for any other form of lockdown ?
I hate to burst you bubble, but is that not what Sweden did, and are still doing, and even now with the same level of vaccination we have their health service is under severe pressure.


As to the rest of your post. From the very outset my belief that the only way out of this pandemic was through vaccination and everything possible should be done to minimise infections and deaths until vaccines became available.
You know, that pesky stuff, science. And you know what ?

That is exactly what is now happening. So if it`s all the same too you, I`ll stick with the science. I really cannot see any reason to consider changing horse mid-stream.

And again, this is a change of goalposts. This was never about "severe pressure" -- it was pressure to the extent of being unable to cope, and this incapacity would be to such a degree and duration that many thousands would die. If severe pressure was the threshold, you'll be on here many winters throughout your life seeking lockdowns. To say that people were scared of this virus because it might cause "severe pressure" to the health service is a distinct relegation of the severity of the threat this virus was touted as posing.

And you may well have always held that infections should be minimised by every means possible -- but the Irish people were certainly never presented the lockdown strategy on the basis of simply minimising Covid outright. Lockdown was an extreme unprecedented measure which was justified by the Government as being the response to the extreme scenario that (by not flattening the curve) the Irish health service would not just be under severe pressure -- but completely and utterly overrun for an indeterminate period, leading to many, many thousands dead.

Ultimately Charlie, you are rewriting the justification for lockdown -- and I can hardly blame you for that, because this gradual rewriting has been hammered out by the government and press as if it had always been consistent.

SusanC10

Stheno wrote: »

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1387463388104642563?s=19

That mentions last week in May for inter-county.

undertaker fan 88

SusanC10 wrote: »

That mentions last week in May for inter-county.

There

normanoffside

So from what I am gathering here is that Micheal Martin is so risk adverse that Tony Holohan has to tell him to open up.
Is that right?

Corholio

The Irish Times has no specific mention of inter-county travel in their article. Unless taking the 'meet anywhere' outside part literal of the households measure.

Edit: They vaguely mention it later in the article for June.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/nphet-gives-green-light-to-faster-than-expected-easing-of-restrictions-from-may-10th-1.4549950?mode=amp&_ga=2.42374437.1050793420.1618853575-1792717457.1618853575

Jinglejangle69

Think people are getting ahead of themselves.

Jinglejangle69

No indoor dining in June yet hotels can open??

Degag

11521323 wrote: »

Yet much slower than most of the World. What people are willing to accept in this country is baffling. I cant grasp what circulates through your mind.

Perhaps you should give a little look over to India to learn something about perspective?

LessOutragePlz

Degag wrote: »

Perhaps you should give a little look over to India to learn something about perspective?

Don't say the I word!

Have you not read the last 20 pages :pac:

normanoffside

Tony is going for president, I said it a year ago and now I have no doubt.

SusanC10

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Think people are getting ahead of themselves.

All a bit confusing. I am going to wait for the Official announcement. Sometime tomorrow, right ?

Jinglejangle69

SusanC10 wrote: »

All a bit confusing. I am going to wait for the Official announcement. Sometime tomorrow, right ?

6pm

KrustyUCC

normanoffside wrote: »

Tony is going for president, I said it a year ago and now I have no doubt.

Now that's a scary prospect

big syke

This is all a bit mad! Potentially inter county travel and hairdressers open before adults can go back training!

normanoffside

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Now that's a scary prospect

I know but watch it happen.

MOR316

normanoffside wrote: »

I know but watch it happen.

Nah...He'd have no power or influence then

landofthetree

https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1387513973331877890

Id say whats happened in Israel has probably encouraged the easing of restrictions.

FintanMcluskey

landofthetree wrote: »

https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1387513973331877890

Id say whats happened in Israel has probably encouraged the easing of restrictions.

Or they’ve just realised the kitty is empty €€€€€€

This wasn’t cheap

11521323

SusanC10 wrote: »

Weddings are mentioned in the edited version of the IT article. (See my post above on why I hate the editing!)

Yes 25 people in June. How generous.

Absolutely ridiculous.

11521323

Degag wrote: »

Perhaps you should give a little look over to India to learn something about perspective?

You have to be taking the piss?

Busi_Girl08

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

No indoor dining in June yet hotels can open??

And intercounty travel before indoor house visits and hotels are open?

So I'd drive from dublin to limerick to have a cuppa in my parents garden and go home again?

All very exciting sounding changes but I'm not convinced. And there have been big u turns before. Will wait till tomorrow before I get too ahead of myself

SusanC10

Busi_Girl08 wrote: »

And intercounty travel before indoor house visits and hotels are open?

So I'd drive from dublin to limerick to have a cuppa in my parents garden and go home again?

Reading a lot of contradictory things tonight. Doesn't make sense.
Better off waiting for the actual announcement tomorrow imo.

Jinglejangle69

Busi_Girl08 wrote: »

And intercounty travel before indoor house visits and hotels are open?

So I'd drive from dublin to limerick to have a cuppa in my parents garden and go home again?

Doesn't add up.

Probably best off waiting until 6pm tomorrow.

Degag

11521323 wrote: »

You have to be taking the piss?

No, why would I be? Your post was the epitome of hyperbole.

ypres5

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Now that's a scary prospect

Lets be honest he'd have less power as president than he has at the moment as CMO. Give him a few ribbons to cut, hands to shake, babies to kiss and ****ty poems to recite and let him leave us be

Penfailed

gozunda wrote: »

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=RFLOL

Yup I think that about sums it up...

New one on me. I've only ever seen ROFL up to now. Every days a school day.

PTH2009

Let's hope indoor dining (ie a proper piss up) can happen in July

Again it's dependent on the vaccine roll out and or course the all important 'Variants'

Is there an acceptance than numbers will rise naturally and to not hit the panic button

JRant

big syke wrote: »

This is all a bit mad! Potentially inter county travel and hairdressers open before adults can go back training!

Never, and I mean, never, try to make sense of the restrictions.

The end of May should be everything open, end of June should have large outdoor events and sport.

An abundance of caution seems to have taken over every aspect of government and their advisory groups. NIAC are doing their level best to make a mess out of the vaccine program. NPHET are seeking perfection when it's not achievable. The government are lead by MM, a man who needs a briefing on a report before a committee to decide which way he should wipe his arse.

robbiezero

Busi_Girl08 wrote: »

And intercounty travel before indoor house visits and hotels are open?

So I'd drive from dublin to limerick to have a cuppa in my parents garden and go home again?

All very exciting sounding changes but I'm not convinced. And there have been big u turns before. Will wait till tomorrow before I get too ahead of myself

No. One of their neighbours gardens maybe.

Been driving from Dublin to Tipp to visit mine since the beginning of March and staying a few nights at a time. Doing same this Saturday. No interest in these nonsense restrictions that have dragged on far too long.

I really hope those sources of those "Tony is in a good mood" quotes weren't Government TDs, but it would explain a lot if they were.

gozunda

ypres5 wrote: »

This talk of vaccine dividends is pure discriminatory against younger people like me who have no problem being vaccinated but are held back by the governments already agonizingly slow rollout which'll be even slower due to the harebrained decision made regarding the restrictions put on the astrazeneca and j&j vaccines.

Eh? How is it "discriminatory" when we have a set amount of vaccines to be allocated to people. Its not like they can be conjured up out of thin air is it?

Restrictions on astrazenexa and j&j are happening in other countries not just here.

11521323

Degag wrote: »

No, why would I be? Your post was the epitome of hyperbole.

We should not lift restrictions when we're leading Europe in Covid suppression statistics because of what's happening on the other side of the world?

That is devoid of even a semblance of logic. Jesus Christ.