Relaxation of Restrictions, Part X *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

Sammy2012

11521323 wrote: »

Yes 25 people in June. How generous.

Absolutely ridiculous.

This is crazy! A friend of mine has moved their wedding 4 times now since last May and were hoping to have 100 at their wedding in July. Doesn't look like this will happen now either. So guessing the choice is to move it again or go ahead with it without their family.

25 is 12 people from each side. So pretty much immediate family on both sides and then if you have a small family maybe a special couple of people to the couple. It's a joke!!

There are less than 50 people in ICU with covid and less than 150people in hospital. People's lives are on hold. Jobs are being lost in so many industries. This needs to stop now! We need a clear and workable plan to have the country open for the summer.

Also why the delay on adult training going back? There wasn't very many (if any) cases linked to training last year. Outbreaks associated with GAA county finals alright but clubs were very safe when playing. Outdoors too so what is the problem there?

11521323

gozunda wrote: »

Eh? How is it "discriminatory" when we have a set amount of vaccines to be allocated to people. Its not like they can be conjured up out of thin air is it?

Restrictions on astrazenexa and j&j are happening in other countries not just here.

It's discrimination if that is introduced before everyone has had an option to be vaccinated.

Not allowing someone to do something because they haven't been allowed to be vaccinated yet is medical apartheid.

Masala6

Is the meeting still on?

KrustyUCC

100 is the level 1 restrictions which we never got to last year

That the extent of ambition with the population vaccinated

Very difficult for wedding couples in fairness

gozunda

bear1 wrote: »

Gozunda must be pissed off right about now.

Why would that be oh bear? You don't see whining in my comments....

Sammy2012

KrustyUCC wrote: »

100 is the level 1 restrictions which we never got to last year

That the extent of ambition with the population vaccinated

Very difficult for wedding couples in fairness

This is true. They will probably go ahead of they get 50 but both have big families and have already cut out friends. My invite has been revoked which is fair enough. But again they have to wait and see as I highly doubt a plan will be announced for numbers that will be allowed in July so will have to wait another 3 or 4 weeks for clarity.

JRant

11521323 wrote: »

It's discrimination if that is introduced before everyone has had an option to be vaccinated.

Not allowing someone to do something because they haven't been allowed to be vaccinated yet is medical apartheid.

Let them open up for vaccinated people I say. It's completely unenforceable anyway. How would it be policed? Who would be the responsible party to ensure the person is vaccinated? So many questions with zero answers.

bear1

gozunda wrote: »

Why would that be oh bear? You don't see whining in my comments....

Nah just garbage

Degag

11521323 wrote: »

We should not lift restrictions when we're leading Europe in Covid suppression statistics because of what's happening on the other side of the world?

That is devoid of even a semblance of logic. Jesus Christ.

Not what i'm saying.

You state:

What people are willing to accept in this country is baffling.

Which is a hugely hyperbolic statement. Anyone who lives in this country is extremely lucky to do so for the most part, across a large range of KPIs. We are a leading country in almost every regard.

So therefore you need to learn some perspective. Go off out to live in India or somewhere if you're not happy here.

Today and tomorrow look to be good days in that we are going to get a roadmap on reopening. Alot of things look to be reopening faster than i thought they would last week which is great.

Would it be nice to have them open earlier? Sure, of course it would. But when we look back at this next year when this is hopefully all over, i don't think it will particularily matter if we were a few weeks behind some countries. Just that it's all over and we can move on.

Perspective & Patience.

11521323

JRant wrote: »

Let them open up for vaccinated people I say. It's completely unenforceable anyway. How would it be policed? Who would be the responsible party to ensure the person is vaccinated? So many questions with zero answers.

I agree but they don't take reality into account when making decisions. They're not a pragmatic bunch, they prefer to envision a fantasy when deciding what to implement!

bear1

Anywho I wonder when masks will no longer be necessary and they remove that ridiculous hotel quarantine

stephenjmcd

Looks pretty much nailed on now.

Barbers & hair dressers pushed a week from what was being discussed earlier. To be honest I'm not surprised. My mother's hairdresser said she wouldn't be in a position to open next week at short notice, stock etc.

Outdoor hospitality, doesn't bother me too much that it looks like being delayed a week or so. Would make sense that hotels could open at the same time.

Overall quite happy, intercounty travel is huge

https://twitter.com/Philip_Ryan/status/1387525428861145089?s=19

JRant

11521323 wrote: »

I agree but they don't take reality into account when making decisions. They're not a pragmatic bunch, they prefer to envision a fantasy when deciding what to implement!

We have all become a data point on a model to them now.

11521323

Degag wrote: »

Not what i'm saying.

You state:



Which is a hugely hyperbolic statement. Anyone who lives in this country is extremely lucky to do so for the most part, across a large range of KPIs. We are a leading country in almost every regard.

So therefore you need to learn some perspective. Go off out to live in India or somewhere if you're not happy here.

Today and tomorrow look to be good days in that we are going to get a roadmap on reopening. Alot of things look to be reopening faster than i thought they would last week which is great.

Would it be nice to have them open earlier? Sure, of course it would. But when we look back at this next year when this is hopefully all over, i don't think it will particularily matter if we were a few weeks behind some countries. Just that it's all over and we can move on.

Perspective & Patience.

Please don't start with the absolute comparisons to India. It's all relative.

We should not complain about our unreasonably slow reopening because of a situation in India and we could have it worse? That's a ridiculous view.

You wouldn't make absolute comparisons inversely. I.E. you don't consider yourself a failure in every aspect of your life (at least I hope not!) because on every spectrum, there's always someone who's way better than you in every way. So stop making absolute comparisons when it comes to adversity, we don't do it in any other scenario.

Relatively, we should be back to complete normality by September and there is no logic or reasoning that could rationalize that not happening.

JRant

Degag wrote: »

Not what i'm saying.

You state:



Which is a hugely hyperbolic statement. Anyone who lives in this country is extremely lucky to do so for the most part, across a large range of KPIs. We are a leading country in almost every regard.

So therefore you need to learn some perspective. Go off out to live in India or somewhere if you're not happy here.

Today and tomorrow look to be good days in that we are going to get a roadmap on reopening. Alot of things look to be reopening faster than i thought they would last week which is great.

Would it be nice to have them open earlier? Sure, of course it would. But when we look back at this next year when this is hopefully all over, i don't think it will particularily matter if we were a few weeks behind some countries. Just that it's all over and we can move on.

Perspective & Patience.

I'd like to see the reopening happen sooner rather than later but if they present a semi coherent plan tomorrow I'll live with it. The plan tomorrow needs to show not only the reopening of certain aspects of society but a clear end date for all measures. I want to know what the end game is now. We are really starting to pump vaccines out now with more supply coming online every day. So, there is zero excuse for tomorrow's plan not to have a complete return to normality referenced in it somewhere. Be it August/September I'm not overly pushed but it 100% has to be in there.

Corholio

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1387527857056911361?s=19

gozunda

bear1 wrote: »

Nah just garbage

Yes you are quite correct. Your comment was.

Multipass

Feria40 wrote: »

A lot of what is being discussed seems to depend on whether you have been vacinated or not.

Before even getting into whether this is discriminatory or not, it is surely entirely impossible to police?

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/nphet-gives-green-light-to-faster-than-expected-easing-of-restrictions-from-may-10th-1.4549950?mode=amp&__twitter_impression=true

I laughed reading that part with all the use of ‘allowed’ and ‘permitted’., and no meeting in gardens. Who do they think they are? Maybe if they tried ‘advise’ someone might listen, but surely most people are making their own assessments at this stage, my family have been for a long time.

Sammy2012

What's peoples take on foreign travel this summer? Do you think quarantine and tests will be required in August?

stephenjmcd

Corholio wrote: »

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1387527857056911361?s=19

By about 2 weeks. I'll take it for a tradeoff with earlier barbers to be honest. I can wait an extra 2 weeks for a pint but the hair is getting too wild

Richard Hillman

bear1 wrote: »

Anywho I wonder when masks will no longer be necessary and they remove that ridiculous hotel quarantine

They're never getting rid of masks. You'll be wearing them every winter.

bear1

Corholio wrote: »

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1387527857056911361?s=19

Eh?

bear1

Richard Hillman wrote: »

They're never getting rid of masks. You'll be wearing them every winter.

Doubt it

Stormyteacup

11521323 wrote: »

Please don't start with the absolute comparisons to India. It's all relative.

We should not complain about our unreasonably slow reopening because of a situation in India and we could have it worse? That's a ridiculous view.

You wouldn't make absolute comparisons inversely. I.E. you don't consider yourself a failure in every aspect of your life (at least I hope not!) because on every spectrum, there's always someone who's way better than you in every way. So stop making absolute comparisons when it comes to adversity, we don't do it in any other scenario.

Relatively, we should be back to complete normality by September and there is no logic or reasoning that could rationalize that not happening.

It reminds me of my mother telling me to finish my dinner because there are starving children in Africa.

Amazing how Covid should make us grateful to be living in a privileged country, yet famine, wars, natural disasters, and pandemics that never made it here, should really have already cemented our gratitude a long time ago.

Meaningless - the only reason a social conscience has manifested so strongly is because the threat to the individual and their immediate loved ones was perceived as close and deadly.

Degag

11521323 wrote: »

Please don't start with the absolute comparisons to India. It's all relative.

We should not complain about our unreasonably slow reopening because of a situation in India and we could have it worse? That's a ridiculous view.

You wouldn't make absolute comparisons inversely. I.E. you don't consider yourself a failure in every aspect of your life (at least I hope not!) because on every spectrum, there's always someone who's way better than you in every way. So stop making absolute comparisons when it comes to adversity, we don't do it in any other scenario.

Relatively, we should be back to complete normality by September and there is no logic or reasoning that could rationalize that not happening.

You live in a country (presuming that you do reside here) that gives you a fantastic standard of life, all told.

And yet you state in the original post i quoted that people are essentially oppressed here.

My point to you is that we are not. We are a few weeks behind some countries but that won't matter next year or the year after when this is hopefully over.

As i said, perspective.

Corholio

Corholio wrote: »

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1387527857056911361?s=19

Surprise surprise, it was too good to be true. The trademark bait and switch, watch pubs get continually pushed back like last summer. And Paddy shrugs his shoulders, "at least I can get the mop tidied". High fives all round :rolleyes:

stephenjmcd

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Surprise surprise, it was too good to be true. The trademark bait and switch, watch pubs get continually pushed back like last summer. And Paddy shrugs his shoulders, "at least I can get the mop tidied". High fives all round :rolleyes:

Looks like a week's delay to bring in line with hotels. Irish times reporting hotels to open for the Bank holiday weekend, opening 4th June

gmisk

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Looks pretty much nailed on now.

Barbers & hair dressers pushed a week from what was being discussed earlier. To be honest I'm not surprised. My mother's hairdresser said she wouldn't be in a position to open next week at short notice, stock etc.

Outdoor hospitality, doesn't bother me too much that it looks like being delayed a week or so. Would make sense that hotels could open at the same time.

Overall quite happy, intercounty travel is huge

https://twitter.com/Philip_Ryan/status/1387525428861145089?s=19

Intercounty travel would be amazing.
I had hopefully booked June in Belfast for my other halfs birthday...fingers crossed

gozunda

11521323 wrote: »

It's discrimination if that is introduced before everyone has had an option to be vaccinated.

Not allowing someone to do something because they haven't been allowed to be vaccinated yet is medical apartheid.

Eh?

If It hasnt been introduced yet - so its not a problem then?

Or we can solve that problem by not introducing it in the first place yet until we do have vaccines / have everyone vaccinated. Would that be a solution?

But eitherway if we don't have vaccines for everyone at this moment- how do you propose we vaccinate everyone at the same time so we don't have "Medical apartheid" (whatever that is)

JRant

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Looks pretty much nailed on now.

Barbers & hair dressers pushed a week from what was being discussed earlier. To be honest I'm not surprised. My mother's hairdresser said she wouldn't be in a position to open next week at short notice, stock etc.

Outdoor hospitality, doesn't bother me too much that it looks like being delayed a week or so. Would make sense that hotels could open at the same time.

Overall quite happy, intercounty travel is huge

https://twitter.com/Philip_Ryan/status/1387525428861145089?s=19

I'd say that pesky June bank holiday weekend out paid to outdoor dining in the last week of May.

I'll take the intercounty travel not being illegal again though. That one has annoyed me for a long time now.

Andrew00

Imagine following the so called inter county ban in the first place

stephenjmcd

JRant wrote: »

I'd say that pesky June bank holiday weekend out paid to outdoor dining in the last week of May.

I'll take the intercounty travel not being illegal again though. That one has annoyed me for a long time now.

Actually looks like outdoor dining is penciled in for the 4th along with hotels for the bank holiday weekend

JRant

gmisk wrote: »

Intercounty travel would be amazing.
I had hopefully booked June in Belfast for my other halfs birthday...fingers crossed

The North is going to be getting a lot of visitors over the next 6 weeks.

JRant

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Actually looks like outdoor dining is penciled in for the 4th along with hotels for the bank holiday weekend

I had the 10th of June in my head for some reason. The 4th would be lovely.

gmisk

JRant wrote: »

The North is going to be getting a lot of visitors over the next 6 weeks.

I don't doubt it!
Er I visited it yesterday to get my first vaccine lol..

Indoor dining etc in Belfast cannot wait!
Hotel and train already booked.

stephenjmcd

JRant wrote: »

I had the 10th of June in my head for some reason. The 4th would be lovely.

Guess we'll find out tomorrow but IT reporting 4th so businesses get the bank holiday

Micky 32

Sammy2012 wrote: »

What's peoples take on foreign travel this summer? Do you think quarantine and tests will be required in August?

“”Tánaiste Leo Varadkar told a meeting of the Fine Gael parliamentary party on Wednesday evening that the Government must have a plan in place by the end of May for the phased return of international travel.””

marilynrr

Is there any indication about when indoor training/non contact fitness classes will open?

JRant

gmisk wrote: »

I don't doubt it!
Er I visited it yesterday to get my first vaccine lol..

Indoor dining etc in Belfast cannot wait!
Hotel and train already booked.

I hope you have a wonderful time and get to enjoy that sweet taste of normality.

JRant

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Guess we'll find out tomorrow but IT reporting 4th so businesses get the bank holiday

You are probably right, Ive read the 10th of May for easing of some restrictions and my brain just added a month for the outdoor dining in June.

Graham

11521323 wrote: »

We should not lift restrictions when we're leading Europe in Covid suppression statistics because of what's happening on the other side of the world?

We are lifting restrictions.

kwestfan08

gozunda wrote: »

Eh?

If It hasnt been introduced yet - so its not a problem then?

And we can solve that problem by not introducing it in the first place yes?

But eitherway if we don't have vaccines for everyone at this moment- how do you propose we vaccinate everyone at the same time so we don't have "Medical apartheid"?

Pretty sure the poster isn’t suggesting you can vaccinate everyone at once just that having proof of having had a vaccine shouldn’t be introduced to participate with wider society eg restaurants, bars etc.

gmisk

JRant wrote: »

I hope you have a wonderful time and get to enjoy that sweet taste of normality.

Ah thanks for that
Kept to the restrictions constantly tbh as other half is in healthcare not been easy at times, so lovely to see things getting back to some normality

stephenjmcd

JRant wrote: »

You are probably right, Ive read the 10th of May for easing of some restrictions and my brain just added a month for the outdoor dining in June.

Looks like it's clarified. Dates still subject to change though at cabinet tomorrow

https://twitter.com/Jennifer_Bray/status/1387533001081462784?s=19

Sharpyshoot

Coppers open by June. It’s happening, Tony is the man. Is feidir linn.

JRant

Graham wrote: »

We are lifting restrictions.

I must say, I'm looking forward to seeing what they have to say tomorrow. It's the first time in over 4 months that we may actually get some really positive news. Let's hope it is as we've all been through an awful lot this past year.

Necro

marilynrr wrote: »

Is there any indication about when indoor training/non contact fitness classes will open?

https://twitter.com/Philip_Ryan/status/1387530835084054530?s=19

There ya go

suicide_circus

Graham wrote: »

We are lifting restrictions.

And not before time. Unnecessary damage has already been done and those who oversaw and supported it will need to answer for it.

Feria40

Sammy2012 wrote: »

What's peoples take on foreign travel this summer? Do you think quarantine and tests will be required in August?

While nothing is a given with this crowd, provided it is EU travel I suspect a PCR test may be all that is required. Perhaps with home quarantine but hopefully less than the current 14 days.

The above assumes you haven't been fully vacinated yet

PTH2009

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Looks like it's clarified. Dates still subject to change though at cabinet tomorrow

https://twitter.com/Jennifer_Bray/status/1387533001081462784?s=19

Residents in hotels getting indoor dining while we get drenched outside

Will places be charging something like €20 a room so people can use it for the indoor pub ?